school uniforms Options

[Spirited Away]

ever stop to think that people will go "oh, they go to a school that makes them wear uniforms. they must be great little goody 2 shoes". what about that descrimination? huh? ha! i got you beat. slightly. uniforms might stop some descrimination, but they cause others.

If every school has a different uniform it will limit the scope of such distinction. Everyone would be a 'goody 2 shoes'.

You got me beat? Hah! Don't make me laugh.

again, any intelegent person would disreguard. if somone's to ignorant to get to know the real me, their f'n loss.

But as you know, there are MANY ignorant people out there, and they are the ones that uniforms are aimed at. 'Intelligent' people wouldn't be the ones who are discriminating because of clothes, and they're not the ones who would not wear clothes that will debase their image.

"Intelligent" people are creative, if they are hindered by uniforms to express themselves, they'll find another way to show their uniqueness. So uniform encourages creativity.

if we really want to stop descrimination we should teach people to not do it, cause they will use absolutley anything to jusde you. uniforms should have no role in it.

Teaching people to stop discriminating is easier said than done. It is something that is almost in human nature.

the step i was talking about was getting to know the person. and people shouldn't discriminate from that, they should just learn from it. what's the point of wearing anything if it doesn't slightly reflect your interests? we might as well all be naked and not have lymbic systems in our brains.

I don't understand. What the heck are lymbic systems? Oh... never mind... limbic. What does that have to do with anything?

We shouldn't discriminate doesn't mean that we do not discriminate base on clothes. It's the fact that we DO it, that we should try to stop it from happening.

so smart kids, such as myself, don't let the prejudgice get to me. popularity really isn't good at all. we're all kids, we'll all find some way to cope.

Some kids can't cope and that's when they turn to suicide and that's how incidents like Columbine happen.

[XaZnX07]

i think we should pick what we want to wear well a little dress code i would be ok i guess

:tony:

[ryfitaDF]

You got me beat? Hah! Don't make me laugh.

i wanna make you laugh. that was the whole point of me saying that. i don't wanna hafta hate you or you hafta hate me.

But as you know, there are MANY ignorant people out there, and they are the ones that uniforms are aimed at. 'Intelligent' people wouldn't be the ones who are discriminating because of clothes, and they're not the ones who would not wear clothes that will debase their image.

intelegent people don't care about what people think of superficial things such as clothes.

"Intelligent" people are creative, if they are hindered by uniforms to express themselves, they'll find another way to show their uniqueness. So uniform encourages creativity.

but dress is the easiest way to show uniqueness. i mean, they have to do it every day, their's alot of different ways to do it, lots of colors and designs. etc. why eliminate that field of expression?

then again, if people weren't always expressing themselves through clothes they might take up some instrument or acting or somthing of that sort.

I don't understand. What the heck are lymbic systems? Oh... never mind... limbic. What does that have to do with anything?

the lymbic system doesn't have to do with limbs. it's the emotional center of the brain. it is one of the things that sets us apart from the animals and makes us debate like so. without it, we're eather drones or chimpanzees.

Some kids can't cope and that's when they turn to suicide and that's how incidents like Columbine happen.

i dunno about you, but i think those kids are preeeeetty dumb. trust me. i've been where they've been, but it's not had to get out of it.

and finally...

Teaching people to stop discriminating is easier said than done. It is something that is almost in human nature.

it is human nature. everyone does it and always will. therefore, we just wasted a good possible hour of our lives arguing somthing that won't change a thing.

[koreansaga510]

i dont think we should have uniforms period...

[Spirited Away]

i wanna make you laugh. that was the whole point of me saying that. i don't wanna hafta hate you or you hafta hate me.

I thank you for trying!

intelegent people don't care about what people think of superficial things such as clothes.

Not really, there are such things as shallow intellegent people and you know it. I graduated from high school not too long ago, but at my school kids were definately judging people by clothes to see if they're worthy of being in their oh-so-special cliques. Hell, they divide lunch tables! The only reason why the 'cool'/'rich' kids would want to hang with a dork was to copy homework.

As for being shallow, it's not a new thing. Many smart people are stuck ups, haven't you noticed?

but dress is the easiest way to show uniqueness. i mean, they have to do it every day, their's alot of different ways to do it, lots of colors and designs. etc. why eliminate that field of expression?

You can express yourself by clothes while you hang out with your friends after school or on the weekends. I understand that people usually dress normally anyway, but there are always that one worm that ruins an apple.

All it would take is for one kid to dress inappropriately and the rest of the kids will get ideas.

If not uniforms, then I can compromise with a very strict clothes regualation.

Raising a child is hard enough in this age of decadence, and I woudn't want it to be any harder than it has to be. (That is if I had kids).

the lymbic system doesn't have to do with limbs. it's the emotional center of the brain. it is one of the things that sets us apart from the animals and makes us debate like so. without it, we're eather drones or chimpanzees.

No, silly, I do pay attention in biology class. The spelling was got me confused.

i dunno about you, but i think those kids are preeeeetty dumb. trust me. i've been where they've been, but it's not had to get out of it.

True, they are dumb and act on dumb impulses, but you mustn't blame the whole ordeal on them alone. Their environment had a big helping hand in encouraging them to do the things they do.

All I can say is that clothing matters more so than we think. After all, why would you go through the pains of spending precious money on it when you can do more with it? You know that people pay attention to what you wear so you try to make yourself look good and make yourself feel good.

it is human nature. everyone does it and always will. therefore, we just wasted a good possible hour of our lives arguing somthing that won't change a thing.

To say that it's human nature doesn't mean that it's unchangeable. Remember that it's never too late to learn something new, unless you've quit before you've started or you died.
You can make it happen, one step at a time.

[ryfitaDF]

Not really, there are such things as shallow intellegent people and you know it. I graduated from high school not too long ago, but at my school kids were definately judging people by clothes to see if they're worthy of being in their oh-so-special cliques. Hell, they divide lunch tables! The only reason why the 'cool'/'rich' kids would want to hang with a dork was to copy homework.

i guess when i said "intelegent" meant...hmmm... what's a better word?...more down to earth. not like "e=mc2" but with more common sense, i guess. anyone with good common sense would disreguard the shallow super cliquey people. i'm perfectly happy when it comes to my socail rank because i don't worry about being soooooooo cool.

You can express yourself by clothes while you hang out with your friends after school or on the weekends. I understand that people usually dress normally anyway, but there are always that one worm that ruins an apple.

All it would take is for one kid to dress inappropriately and the rest of the kids will get ideas.

i see what you mean, but they wouldn't want to dress inapropriately if they weren't forced to dress in uniforms. kids rebel. that's what we're good for. you know when somone tells you "don't do this" and doesn't give you a reason you think is valid, you know you want to do it really bad and probably will. another example of human nature.

If not uniforms, then I can compromise with a very strict clothes regualation.

that's how it is at my school and i think it works pretty good. since they gave me reasons not to wear spikes and profanity.

No, silly, I do pay attention in biology class. I think you mean the limbic system instead of lymbic. The spelling was got me confused.

well i'm glad we worked it out. i'm not stupid cause i can't spell, english is just a stupid language.

True, they are dumb and act on dumb impulses, but you mustn't blame the whole ordeal on them alone. Their environment had a big helping hand in encouraging them to do the things they do.

i know it's not all their fault. i can relate to them in some cases, but i know it's not the thing to do. isn't it easier, though , to teach apathy of prejudgice than prevention of it? i know i picked up on it pretty easy.

[*Kathleen*]

What I really can't stand about uniforms though, is that I have to freeze to death in the winter because of them . At my school we're on a campus. We're only allowed to wear the outerwear for the school. The jackets are around $65, then you can order sweaters, but they don't keep you very warm. So, I have to first spend a ton of money on the kilts, socks, shoes, and shirts. Then buy a $65 jacket or freeze to death! If you wear a jacket that isn't from the school you can get a detention for it. A detention for trying to keep warm.

Either way, the premise of having uniforms is good. Granted, they should change how much they sell it for, and be reasonable in cases such as those, but yeah. Also, wouldn't it depend on your school how much they cost?

i dont think we should have uniforms period...

But why?

[DavidxN]

at least u don't have be like "ugh what do i wear today" in the morning but it sux how u can't represent yourself

btw where do u go to school?

[sadolakced acid]

against uniforms.

yea, it's getting confusing what everyone is arguing for, could we put if we are for or against at the top of the post?

uniforms are just another attempt to make all thekids the same. all the kids the same kids that you give zolof to if they're depressed, even if you know it's cus they just got dumped instead of some 'chemical imbalance'

it is just another attempt to make us all the same. all the nice little kids, all wearing the same things.

so when we get beat up, or when we get laid in the janitor's closet. it's not because we dressed dorky or slutty. it's because that's who we are. am i getting the pro-uniform argument right?

the clothes we wear is a choice. to me, this isn't really about if the uniforms are bad, or if they will solve problems. to me, it is about the choice i get, to decide just what i want to wear. and i wear my clothes with pride. i get called names with pride. i hang with my friends with pride. i have fun with pride. because i made the choice. and my choice was to be real. to wear what i want. i will preserve my right to a choice.

it is about my choice to wear what i want!!!

[DavidxN]

yeh but what happens when people decide to abuse that choice? they're gonna have to do something about it

[T00000]

There are things like: "she wears black, she must be goth", "she's so preppy", "he's a nerd", "he's a 'poser".

They judge people like this based on who they are, not what they wear. And people generally dress themselves as the type of person they are. If you are for dress codes, that means that you also think every xanga should be completely white with black text, and every signature should just be a plain link to your xanga.

kids have cliques because of their personalities. kids aren't dorks because they dress like one. if any of you think a dress code would give you a chance of social equality, you're wrong. people will then judge you based on your hair, your body, your appearence, your race-- things NO ONE can change. would you rather that be the case?

[queen]

people will judge with or without dresscodes/uniforms. the heart of the problem is how humans view each other.. dresscode or no dresscode. uniform or no uniform. the exterior is just a barrier of the personality inside. i believe it depends on the PEOPLE, not the uniform or dresscode, to establish equality yet indivuality among one another

[*kryogenix*]

I THINK WE SHOULD ALL WEAR UNIFORMS. WE ARE ALL COMRADES, WHY NOT SHOW OUR UNITY BY WEARING UNIFORMS? IT'LL MAKE THE GOVERNMENT HAPPY.


alright, i'm kidding, but I do think uniforms are good for the younger grades. especially middle school, uniforms will take the kids minds off of "AR3 MY CL0TH3S C00L?!!!1one" and make them think like "Are my grades good enough?"

[T00000]

I THINK WE SHOULD ALL WEAR UNIFORMS. WE ARE ALL COMRADES, WHY NOT SHOW OUR UNITY BY WEARING UNIFORMS? IT'LL MAKE THE GOVERNMENT HAPPY.


alright, i'm kidding, but I do think uniforms are good for the younger grades. especially middle school, uniforms will take the kids minds off of "AR3 MY CL0TH3S C00L?!!!1one" and make them think like "Are my grades good enough?"

no, instead they'll be like "Am I pretty enough? Are my boobs big enough?"

[*kryogenix*]

no, instead they'll be like "Am I pretty enough? Are my boobs big enough?"

hahaha, when you said that, I had a picture in my head of school kids saying that, and even the boys were saying it too.

So the problem isn't in the system, it's with the kids.

[sadolakced acid]

yes, it's all the kids fault. why don't we just force them to conform to this nice mold the government set for us.

all kids must be:

6'0"
blue eyed
blond haired, boys 1 inch, girls 18 inches
they must wear thier uniform
they must say "hail the uniform creators" every day
they mustbe the same. no individuallity nonsense

yea. we should make all kids like that. heck, we got plastic surgery. we ill force everyone to be like that.

join the hitler youth. they got uniforms.

[juliar]

yes, it's all the kids fault.  why don't we just force them to conform to this nice mold the government set for us. 

all kids must be:

6'0"
blue eyed
blond haired, boys 1 inch, girls  18 inches
they must wear thier uniform
they must say "hail the uniform creators"  every day
they mustbe the same.  no individuallity nonsense

yea.  we should make all kids like that.  heck, we got plastic surgery.  we ill force everyone to be like that. 

join the hitler youth.  they got uniforms.

You know he didn't mean that. You know he didnt mean it in a Hitler fashion. All we're saying is to wear the uniform, not to ferking grow another foot because we said so. We're not saying they have to be the same, we're just saying that clothing and individuality dont work right together. Don't exaggerate. We're saying that the kids cause alot fo the problems, especially with the ugly clothes factor, not eye color.

And for all those IM FREEzING IN THE WINTER problems, what if they allowed girls to wear pants? Uniform doesn't always equal dress.

[Spirited Away]

They judge people like this based on who they are, not what they wear.  And people generally dress themselves as the type of person they are.  If you are for dress codes, that means that you also think every xanga should be completely white with black text, and every signature should just be a plain link to your xanga.

kids have cliques because of their personalities.  kids aren't dorks because they dress like one.  if any of you think a dress code would give you a chance of social equality, you're wrong.  people will then judge you based on your hair, your body, your appearence, your race-- things NO ONE can change.  would you rather that be the case?

When I look at a girl who wears a tube top to school, my first reaction is always: "man, that girl got self-esteem issues", even though that may not be the case. Or if I see someone wearing black with strange symbols and black lipstick, I think that they're trying too hard to get attention...

I'm sure many will agree that first impressions matter. Heck, even a glance a at someone wearing clothes out of the ordinary will have me thinking things. Kids shouldn't have to be subjected to that in SCHOOL. It's a learning institution not a fashion show. You can show off all your expensive/strange stuff when you hang out with your clique.

I understand there are needs for 'uniqueness' or individuality, but there will be kids who takes that whole thing into a new level. And like I said, it only takes one kid to be 'different' for the rest of them to go with the same trend.

I know better than to think a kid a dork because he/she dress like one, but do you think a kid who's under peer pressure can understand that? If every child is capable of understanding that, then there needn't be talk of uniforms or 'golden rules'.

At least uniforms can LIMIT the things that people will judge you for. I agree that all those things are factors, but if one of them can be prevented, then it's a good thing, isn't it?

[sadolakced acid]

yes, i was being sarcastic.

but in reality, the uniforms are a step towards uniformity. hence the name. and the truth is, kid don't want to be uniform.

growing up is about finding yourself. finding who you are. i just can't do that if who i am is just another kid in a uniform.

[Spirited Away]

Wearing a uniform is not going to change who you are, it's only to ensure that kids don't go overboard with thinking about 'clothes' when they should be thinking about school.

[*kryogenix*]

yes, i was being sarcastic.

but in reality, the uniforms are a step towards uniformity. hence the name. and the truth is, kid don't want to be uniform.

growing up is about finding yourself. finding who you are. i just can't do that if who i am is just another kid in a uniform.

Do you really believe that you are the clothing you wear makes who you are? I just thought of this. Which is it, do the clothes make the man, or does man make the clothes? The latter is true.

[NicolynnCat]

aw...thats crazy...i duno i like the cute sexy uniforms...haha! i duno...i cant really describe them but that sux that the clothes are uncomfortable...im suprised they dont have school underwear cus most the girls ((including me)) have our thongs stickin out of our pants...woah! but iduno..atleast u wont be in school for the rest of your life so u dont really have to wear them all that long

[CrimsonArchangel]

To those who are saying that uniforms take away indepence/uniqueness/creativitiy:


Creativity comes from the your inner self. If you are truly a creative person, you'll learn to express yourself through other means.

How does wearing uniforms take away independence? Just because you're wearing the same thing as the person next to you doesn't mean that you're any more dependent on things than they are. It's just an excuse.

To be unique doesn't necessarily mean to stand out by wearing expensive/strange clothing. It can mean acting differently or reserving a unique opinion on things...

BE CREATIVE. Uniforms aren't the end of the world.

AGREE!!!
Individuallity comes from inside. And hey, if it allowed, you can still be individual by the way you do your hair, or your makeup or something like that.
And I also agree with the whole thing about not having to worry about what to wear the enxt day. I absolutelly hate that.
So, to sum it up, I think uniforms should be around maybe until college.

[T00000]

Creativity comes from the your inner self. If you are truly a creative person, you'll learn to express yourself through other means.

Yeah other means that might not be as innocent as just wearing clothes. Other means that will gain attention such as being a criminal or a slut.

When I look at a girl who wears a tube top to school, my first reaction is always: "man, that girl got self-esteem issues", even though that may not be the case.

why would you assume she has self esteem issues just because she likes that fashion? Not only that, but tube tops are definetly not very provacative.

Or if I see someone wearing black with strange symbols and black lipstick, I think that they're trying too hard to get attention...

No, they are trying to stand out from others, there is a difference.

I understand there are needs for 'uniqueness' or individuality, but there will be kids who takes that whole thing into a new level. And like I said, it only takes one kid to be 'different' for the rest of them to go with the same trend.

So if a kid decided to NOT wear their "uniform" one day, everyone else would do the same?

I know better than to think a kid a dork because he/she dress like one, but do you think a kid who's under peer pressure can understand that? If every child is capable of understanding that, then there needn't be talk of uniforms or 'golden rules'.

Dress is just one factor that people use to judge others. Judging is an important part of growing up and learning to be sure of yourself. If you weren't always judged and labeled, you would not be a strong person when the time comes that you are judged, perhaps unfairly, by other people, and by employers. Humans, as a habit, judge others. Not just kids in school. Someone needs to be SURE of themselves, and usually that isn't attained until they have undergone their fair share of judging. If you aren't judged on your clothes, you're judged on your body. If you aren't judged on your body, you're judged on your personality. Unless you want kids to have NONE of those three things, and all be the same, they're going to continue being judged just the same. Plus, even if kids DID have uniforms, the most stylish kids would be able to "wear" their clothes better, and they'd be judged based on that. You can't avoid being judged unless you want people to be completely the same. Learning Institution or not, we don't live in USSR and we AREN'T the same. If you don't wear good clothes and don't have many friends, chances are you aren't that cool of a person. But instead of trying to become EQUAL with the cooler kids by trying to have uniforms, just accept who you are. That's how people grow. I know from experience, that those in restrictive, "all the same" environments tend to do things out of school more than kids who are able to express themselves to their own pleasure during school. I went to a private high school called Jesuit, and the girls there slept around, and the guys all drank and did drugs. When I switched back to my normal school (after two weeks haha I CANT STAND THAT ENVIRONMENT) not as many girls were doing that, and not as many guys were drugging it up. Why? because they are able to accept themselves and accept being judged, etc. etc.

[Spirited Away]

[quote=TBoltzbabe,Jun 15 2004, 6:19 PM] Yeah other means that might not be as innocent as just wearing clothes.  Other means that will gain attention such as being a criminal or a slut.
[/quote]
I don't see how wearing bikinis or show-y clothes would be 'innocent'. I don't suppose kids who DO wear uniforms nowdays are really ciminals or sluts outside of school.

There's a reason why most PRIVATE schools offer a better education then public schools. Their rules and regulations usually work just dandy.


[quote]why would you assume she has self esteem issues just because she likes that fashion? Not only that, but tube tops are definetly not very provacative.[/quote]
That is to prove that first impressions are important. Liking to wear revealing clothes may suggests that she needs to show off her body so people will tell her: "you're so hot"... etc.

When walk pass someone in school, I'm not going to corner them and say "hey, I really want to get to know you for who you are, and not for the person that your clothes suggest".

If someone dresses gangster like, I'm not going to stick around to "get to know them". Call me a chicken, but at least I have common sense.

[quote]No, they are trying to stand out from others, there is a difference.[/quote]
Standing out is one thing, but standing out and creating a distraction for other kids who are there to learn is another thing. Stand out at the MALL, stand out at the skating rink, stand out at the PARK. You go to school to learn, not to show your sense of style.

[quote]So if a kid decided to NOT wear their "uniform" one day, everyone else would do the same?[/quote]
Not everyone, it's the kids who are thinking "I want to 'stand out'" that will do it.

[quote]Dress is just one factor that people use to judge others.  Judging is an important part of growing up and learning to be sure of yourself.  If you weren't always judged and labeled, you would not be a strong person when the time comes that you are judged, perhaps unfairly, by other people, and by employers. [/quote]

If people are not going to judge you for what you wear, they'll judge you for other things, which will, atleast, seem less superficial. I think saying that a girl is slutty because she grabs every guy in the ass would is more justifiable than judging her because of what she wears, but kids do it anyway.

Can you imagine? A girl who can show off her body is good.. I guess, but then there are those who will be intimidated. They'll think "why can't I have a body like hers?" "Why can't I afford those expensive clothes that she wears?". This is going to distract them from what matters: getting an education.

If a girl wears short-shorts in class, do you think the boys will really pay attention to the teacher?

[quote]If you aren't judged on your clothes, you're judged on your body... If you aren't judged on your body, you're judged on your personality [/quote]
So instead of being judged on your clothes AND your body AND your personality, you'll only have to deal with two problems instead of THREE. It, at least, take away one problem for you.



[quote]Plus, even if kids DID have uniforms, the most stylish kids would be able to "wear" their clothes better, and they'd be judged based on that.[/quote]
How? You mean like shoes? And hair? The last time I checked, you can get a kempt haircut and decent shoes for cheaper than stylish clothes. If kids can't be clean with their uniforms, then it shows their character. To be judged of that is pretty fair.

[quote]You can't avoid being judged unless you want people to be completely the same.  [/quote]
No one is completely the same and, as sure as there is a tomorrow, uniforms are not going to change that. After all, uniform is nothing NEW.

[quote]Learning Institution or not, we don't live in USSR and we AREN'T the same. [/quote]

Do you suppose private schools regulations are like those of the USSR?

[quote] But instead of trying to become EQUAL with the cooler kids by trying to have uniforms, just accept who you are.[/quote]
True that clothes doesn't speak for the person, but uniforms will allow the person to speak for himself/herself. If I cannot express myself through means of clothes, I will speak out so that people will get to know me. If I wear a $100 skirt, I'm going to attract the wrong kind of friends.

[quote]I know from experience, that those in restrictive, "all the same" environments tend to do things out of school more than kids who are able to express themselves to their own pleasure during school.[/quote]
How restrictive?

I mean, I'm sure kids in private schools are not THAT bothered with uniforms, are they?

[quote]I went to a private high school called Jesuit, and the girls there slept around, and the guys all drank and did drugs. [/quote]
All of the kids were like that? Or was just a few?



EDIT:: Why does it has to be like the USSR? Most of Japan's schools require unifoms.