Mod Punishment Options

[*tripvertigo*]

YES THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL.

for christ's sake.

what sadolakced said and what i said are two completely different things all together.


if you are warning someone for no reason, you obviously have a personal grudge against them and you are attacking them. i didnt say you are yelling at them or member bashing them... you are personally attacking them. HOW are you attacking them? You are warning them for no f**king reason.

thats two offenses. the attack as a whole and the abuse of your powers. attacking another member is a universal rule for both members and mods. abusing your powers is a separate offense.

two offenses.

two punishments.

i can not make myself any clearer.


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so how does that contradict what sadolakced said? it's not even relevent to anything he said.

[*tripvertigo*]

i didnt f**king SAY that you disagreed or agreed. i just had to clarify what i was asking 3452908482039 times because you're being retarded or something.

edit:// you ASKED me if they should be punished twice for one offense. i said no. its two offenses. i elaborated. you did not f**king underestand the elaboration because you were too caught up with what the other guy said, which had nothing to do with my post whatsoever.

[*shotgunFUNERAL*]

why is it always suzzette that has to defend the staff team? it's apparent that she doesn't know everything and pulls stuff out of her ass half the time to make an excuse, but yet no one will come to her rescue.

[*tripvertigo*]

I just said the moderating staff as a whole and the members as a whole, obviously don't agree on this! Not me personally. This is based on actions that have been taken in the past.

AGAIN. when did i ask about the rest of the moderating staff or the other members? I was addressing YOU. YOU asked me a question. I answered YOUR question.

[*digitalfragrance*]

So what do you all propose if that were to happen? What other rules would you suggest? Let's take it to the big picture guys, instead of discussing scenario after scenario.

Stricter punishments are a great idea, btw.

[*shotgunFUNERAL*]

I am not pulling anything out of my ass. Trust me, I am one of the best people to ask. I don't need to be rescued. I have been handling the 4-5 of you by myself, just fine.

no, you're not. half-assed answers is not "handling" at all.

So what do you all propose if that were to happen? What other rules would you suggest? Let's take it to the big picture guys, instead of dscussing scenario after scenario.

ok, here's a big picture story...elba, spencer, robbi, and diana.

[*digitalfragrance*]

^x2 That's specific. If the whole point of this thread was to talk about that, I think you guys have lost a really good idea.

[*shotgunFUNERAL*]

ok, elba, spencer, robbi, and diana spammed, member-bashed, and whatever else one night. spencer and elba got taken down from official members and still have a warning from it while robbi and diana were put back on staff after a week. how is "not having moderating powers" a harsher punishment? because they're not in charge for once? or because they're superior to members and don't have the superiority while not on staff?

[*digitalfragrance*]

I know about that. That is in the past - let's be progressive and talk about the future to make it better.

[*shotgunFUNERAL*]

HOW THE FUCK IS IT THE PAST? we still have warning levels from it, so it can't be the past. stop overlooking things.

[*tripvertigo*]

are you serious right now suzette or are you just f**king with me? Because seriously, your idiocy in this thread is FREAKING me out. I know you arent this dumb. Do I have to spell this one out too?

YOU ASKED if the mod should be dealt two punishments for one crime.
i said no. its two crimes.

you said "thats something the mods and members dont agree upon"

THIS is where things went astray. I didnt ask about them. I was answering a question you asked me. I dont understand why you brought them up. This is a conversation between me and you.

Then you said that sado and i were contradicting each other. We were not. His post had nothing to do with mine. I didnt say anything about member bashing.

At this point I dont know what the f**k you are getting this shit from.

I simply answered a question that YOU ASKED ME.
I simply answered a question that YOU ASKED ME.
I simply answered a question that YOU ASKED ME.

And then you f**king changed the subject without even addressing the answer, and then said "i didnt say it was one offense."

What the f**k are you talking about? I didnt say you did. You ASKED ME.

[*digitalfragrance*]

It was done in the past. Your warning levels will go down. Lets talk about what you guys want to see from us NOW as a whole.

And can we all stop splitting hairs and talk about what you guys ideas are? I think this could be a great thing for cB.

[*shotgunFUNERAL*]

don't ask us to bring in the whole picture if you're going to overlook it.

[*digitalfragrance*]

I think that a new system for reprimandings would be in order, what would your approach be for a level one offense? What would you consider a level one offense?

Alright! Your on the same page I am.
Level one offense... member bashing? I'm gathering that from you guys posts.

[*shotgunFUNERAL*]

Instead of asking over and over again why your punishment was different.

maybe if someone gave us an answers we could. all suzzette can say is that their punishment was a lot harsher because they couldn't mod for a week. ok? and?

[*tripvertigo*]

i have read the thread.

are you seriously going to try and tell me you were on track the entire time when you ask me questions like:

"wait is this still a hypothetical question or did it actually happen?"

and "what do you mean attack? like member bashing? but sado said..."


like wtf is wrong with you right now? pass the bong along already and let someone else hit that shit

[*digitalfragrance*]

Do you think excessive spam between moderators and members is a problem, obviously they can't tell themselves to stop in the forums. That would be something they would have to force upon themselves. I think that overlooking moderators spamming is also something that doens't need to be worried about for moderators. Because they should know when it's not appropriate.

Mods bashing members.. Yes, but would that be doing it too much? Or just simply going after ONE person ONCE and trashing them?

Member Bashing: We need to be held to a high standard... so once, yes.

About Spamming: I think that's up to other moderators to keep themselves accountable.

[*digitalfragrance*]

True. So what would you consider to be a reasonable punishment? Since we both think that it is serious that the mods should be held to the highest standard. Obviously you can't say that they're demodded for life. I would think that since the punishment for members bashing other members, after a verbal warning is an increased warning level, for 2 weeks. I think that nothing should be less for the moderators. If they are found member bashing. They should lose their moderatorship for 2 weeks. With the only exception of it being lifted would be good behavior. I hope that we can both see that..

Moderators losing their moderatorship is a lot worse than official members losing their official member status.

I totally agree with that proposal. However, a member can't just accuse of member bashing. Imagine how many people would jump at the opportunity to demod someone right now. A PM must be sent to both Admins, and possibly head staff, and they can decide it is member basing or not.

It should be pretty obvious, anyway.

[*tripvertigo*]

how the f**k did i not clarify what i meant by attacking? i said 4 times that if you are warning someone for no reason, that is an attack in and of itself.

i dont even know who diana is...

[*digitalfragrance*]

So, trish, what do you propose as guidelines? I've heard Thomas, but what about you?

[*digitalfragrance*]

Well wasn't that Robbi's case... Anyways. What do you mean by, "a member can't just accuse (a moderator??) of member bashing." I don't get that sentance... Read it out-loud, you forgot something. A report can be sent to the administrators if a head staff is found member bashing, a report can be sent to head staff is people/design staff are found member bashing. It is an obvious situation when a mod is member bashing. However, this does need to be organized, so I think it's good even going over the things that seem unimportant.

Do you think that another level one offense would be mods disregarding important situations that are brought to them?

Whoops - when I editted I erased more than I meant to. Yes, that's what I meant. I mean that the decision just can't be made by one member. A decision that would disrobe a moderator of his powers needs to be decided by both the Admins. But reporting wouldn't work - it doesn't always go to the Admins... I've gotten reported posts before.

SO yes, we need to be organized about our ways of dealing out punishment.

And about disregarding important situations, that can be VERY subjective. What kind of situations are you talking about?

[*tripvertigo*]

people on the mod staff are both moderators and members and therefore should have to face consequences for both sides. A simple demodding is not enough.

Right now, to my understanding, a member can be suspended or muted while a moderator is demoted for the same offense. However, they are still allowed to post around the forums. It takes them one more offense to actually be suspended at that point, because now that they are demodded, if they get caught doing the same shit, your only choice is to suspend them.

That just isnt fair. You should be punished, A: for breaking a rule as a moderator, and B: for breaking a rule as a member.

[*tripvertigo*]

thats not what i said. not more seriously. they need to be punished through two different channels because they are members too, as well as moderators. if you violate the rules, you disqualify yourself from being a part of the moderating staff. its not really a punishment, so much as moderators are required to keep certain qualifications. if they dont have them, then they are not qualified to be mods.

it's like what someone said earlier. if a president murders someone, they are impeached and then they are tried for murder.

[*shotgunFUNERAL*]

That just isnt fair. You should be punished, A: for breaking a rule as a moderator, and B: for breaking a rule as a member.

exactly, but suzzette thinks that the mod having a week without moderating powers is harsh enough, imagine how that would boil over.

[*shotgunFUNERAL*]

I don't think that they should be tried twice for the same thing. Just a more harsh punishment should be set for when these moderators break the same rules as members.

we've definately been trying to say this all along.