what is racism???, Name callin' Options

[1angel3]

^ [off topic] I'd love to hear your voice / accent. <=== Angel3

Ok cool

[illriginal]

well i suppose it's better to be enslaved than just be flat out murdered, such as the Indians

i guess we could celebrate that on white pride day?

I'd have to disagree... I'd rather die than be some slave. I couldn't handle being some tool for a human.

Danny, I don't live in the U.S. I've never been to the U.S. I is European dude!

Oh okay :D

[brooklyneast05]

I'd have to disagree... I'd rather die than be some slave. I couldn't handle being some tool for a human.

yea i might agree
it depends on if i got good food or not

[1angel3]

well i suppose it's better to be enslaved than just be flat out murdered, such as the Indians

i guess we could celebrate that on white pride day?

We do, it's called Thanks Giving. You know they arrive here and made friends with the Native Americans and the Native taught them some things ( Not going to get into detial, we all know the story). White people celebrated the native by killing them and gave thanks and Thanks Giving Holiday was born. The end

Long story short.

[illriginal]

We do, it's called Thanks Giving. You know they arrive here and made friends with the Native Americans and the Native taught them some things ( Not going to get into detial, we all know the story). White people celebrated the native by killing them and gave thanks and Thanks Giving Holiday was born. The end

Long story short.

Actually (yes off topic) what we're taught in school about Thanks Giving, is uh.. kinda wrong. Thanksgiving is a day of fasting... Not feasting. But then again... Upon the first harvest, the Pilgrims set aside a day to give thanks for their bountiful harvest, and together with the native Indians, they had a great feast. The factual nature of this account is certainly questionable and yet little is truly known of the first Thanksgiving. In fact, some dispute remains on when exactly the first Thanksgiving occurred.

You see.. in what Native Indians have been saying is, their people never "feasted", yes they ate, but they fasted more than ate. And they taught fasting before the feast. Which America has not taught properly to the children.

But anyways, enough history lessons :D

[popoberry]

okay i have like a theory or some shittt. ... some people say that but they joke around . it doesn`t mean they racist !!!

[illriginal]

okay i have like a theory or some shittt. ... some people say that but they joke around . it doesn`t mean they racist !!!

I dunno, I learned my world history, and still learning. Racism only adds gasoline to the fire of hatred that every culture/race/ethnicity/religion has towards each other. I don't think using racial terms/slurs/words is appropriate in any sort of conversation.

I've dealt with whites and blacks bashing my race, since I was in 5th grade. I don't play that lil game... if you're racist or wanna use racist words, do yourself a favor, keep it under your breath. Cuz if I heard it (even if it wasn't about my race/skin color/ethnicity/religion/culture etc... I'll still stand up and shut them down.

I'm sorry, I just don't have tolerance for discrimination, whether it's serious or jokingly.

[brooklyneast05]

yea i was thinking that too, shes on my friends list
well
i was gonna ask why she posted it

[synthase]

maybe shes a want-to-be

[Spirited Away]

Yeah but these culture wasn't apart of the beginning of America( well not that I know of). Just like the topic starter, he mention all African American holidays, so I was naming some for him/her too. Everyday at school we learn about white history in every class except of math. I'm glade black people have at least one month.

Wait, wait... haha... wait... what are you saying? The bolded part confuzzled me a little.

[illriginal]

Wait, wait... haha... wait... what are you saying? The bolded part confuzzled me a little.

I think she means, they don't teach enough about the history of Africa, Slave trade, American Slavery, and Black history in general.

[Spirited Away]

The problem is time. There isn't enough time for the curriculum to be too focused on any one aspect of American history longer than necessary. Blame time then, not racism...

[Spirited Away]

What's not happening?

[*superstitious*]

I left it here (didn't move it to Debate) because there was actual discussion happening in The Lounge. :[

But I guess it could go either way (and apparently you've already moved it)

[brooklyneast05]

The problem is time. There isn't enough time for the curriculum to be too focused on any one aspect of American history longer than necessary. Blame time then, not racism...

i understand that there's not time, but it's annoying when every year they go over the same exact thing over and over and over and over and over, we always start at the same place and stop at the same place. we study the pilgrims getting here everytime, we study the kings and queens of england every time. repeated over and over.

in high school a kid in my class asked why we spent one week on africa and a semester on europe. and the teachers reply was that africa just didn't have as much important history. i understand that that's not the majority of teachers opinions though.

they should teach more history from all around the world i think, instead of drilling the same things into our head over and over.

at least here in america, i don't know how they teach history everywhere else

[illriginal]

The problem is time. There isn't enough time for the curriculum to be too focused on any one aspect of American history longer than necessary. Blame time then, not racism...

What do you mean it's time? There's plenty of time to learn plenty of subjects =\

I'm a prime example of it... my goal is to be a certified Scholar, and not just in one subject but as many as possible.

i understand that there's not time, but it's annoying when every year they go over the same exact thing over and over and over and over and over, we always start at the same place and stop at the same place. we study the pilgrims getting here everytime, we study the kings and queens of england every time. repeated over and over.

in high school a kid in my class asked why we spent one week on africa and a semester on europe. and the teachers reply was that africa just didn't have as much important history. i understand that that's not the majority of teachers opinions though.

they should teach more history from all around the world i think, instead of drilling the same things into our head over and over.

at least here in america, i don't know how they teach history everywhere else

The problem with America is, it's selfish. It only cares about itself and anything that effects it. So America in a sense does teach World History, but only parts of the world that revolved around America.

[Rubeus-Hagrid]

You call me:
"redneck"
"Hillbilly"
"Slaker"
"Cracker"
"Honkey"
"Whitey"
"Gringo"
"Sage"
and you think it's OK.

But when I call you:
"Jungle bunny"
"Spear chunker"
"Coon"
"Wet back"
"Jiggaboo"
"Porch monkey"
"Sand nigger"
"Rag head"
"Towelhead"
"Camel Jockey"
"Gook"
"Spook"
"Nigger"
"Kike"
"Slant eyes"
or
"Chink"
you call me a racist.
-You have the United Negro College Fund.

-You have Martin Luther King Day.

-You have Black History Month.

-You have Cesar Chavez Day.

-You have Yom Hashoah

-You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi

-You have the NAACP.

-You have BET.
-If we had WET (white entertainment television) ...we'd be racist.

-If we had a White Pride Day... you would call us racist.

-If we had white history month... we'd be racist.

-If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives... we'd be racist.

-If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships...you know we'd be racist.

-In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights...you would call us racist.

-Did you know that some high school students decided to make a club for only the white students because the other ethnicities had them. they all got sent to court for being racist but the african-american, Latino, and Asia clubs were not even questioned.

-You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
I am white.

and

I am proud.

But, you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?

Now watch, I'll be racist for reposting this

So what? no-one will re-post this for fear of being called racist

Wow you sound so smart ARGGG
WHITE = MINORITY? no go die

[xburnoutx00]

We do, it's called Thanks Giving. You know they arrive here and made friends with the Native Americans and the Native taught them some things ( Not going to get into detial, we all know the story). White people celebrated the native by killing them and gave thanks and Thanks Giving Holiday was born. The end

Long story short.

...Do you go to school?
And for what it's worth - Thanksgiving isn't a 'white pride day'.

[illriginal]

...Do you go to school?

LOL

/discussion

[brooklyneast05]

And for what it's worth - Thanksgiving isn't a 'white pride day'.

i don't thinks she was serious exactly

referring to thanksgiving as a white pride day is ridiculous in the same way that whining about the existence martin luther king day is ridiculous, which was was the original post said.

thats what i thought she meant by it, but i could be wrong i suppose

[Spirited Away]

i understand that there's not time, but it's annoying when every year they go over the same exact thing over and over and over and over and over, we always start at the same place and stop at the same place. we study the pilgrims getting here everytime, we study the kings and queens of england every time. repeated over and over.

in high school a kid in my class asked why we spent one week on africa and a semester on europe. and the teachers reply was that africa just didn't have as much important history. i understand that that's not the majority of teachers opinions though.

they should teach more history from all around the world i think, instead of drilling the same things into our head over and over.

at least here in america, i don't know how they teach history everywhere else

Really? My curriculum always started where we stopped last year. Yes, some material is repeated at the beginning, but that's a refresher (like there's a refresher for math during the first couple of weeks). Some material might also be repeated if the crossed over to other historical events.

What the teacher probably meant was that Africa did not impact the foundation of American history as much as Europe did. Founders of America didn't come from Africa and our laws are not influenced by African laws. The chains of slavery began in Africa, but the most horrendous events relative to slavery happened in America (not Africa). I completely understand the emphasis on Europe and America, what problem do you see with this?

If you only studied kings and queens and pilgrims, I take it you never learned about WWI, WWII, Cold War, Vietnam War... the likes? You've never had a course of world religions... That's sad. What district are you in? Your parents should really take it to the board of education.

My education, on the other hand, was impeccable and I have no grounds for complaint (except for the bad cafeteria food).

Oh, if pilgrims and kings and queens are boring to you, may I suggest taking an honors course or maybe even history AP? Those classes encourage a little more accelerated learning for your taste.

What do you mean it's time? There's plenty of time to learn plenty of subjects =\

I'm a prime example of it... my goal is to be a certified Scholar, and not just in one subject but as many as possible.
The problem with America is, it's selfish. It only cares about itself and anything that effects it. So America in a sense does teach World History, but only parts of the world that revolved around America.

So why is it that my friend, who's been a 9th grade biology teacher for a good four years now, can't find time to finish the last 3 chapters of the biology book? Why is it that my Algebra 2 teacher skipped around our book? Oh, that's right... she said "we don't have time to cover those chapters, omit them". If you research a little, this is true of most schools (they don't have time to cover everything they should be or things they want to cover). Not that I'm complaining because I turned out fine without finite until college.

Also, I don't know about you, but I have had a couple of friends in "regular" classes (as opposed to honors/AP/IB) who has trouble with the simple idea of the Constitution... Not everyone's in honors/AP/IB, you understand?

The problem with America is that there are a bunch of people who talk the talk, but don't walk the walk.

You do realize that America is as "selfish" about its teaching world history as any other country is self in teaching its history, right? If you're in Vietnam (like I was), you'd learned Vietnamese history and know it until you're bored of it as these guys are bored of American history here. The same goes if you're in China, France, Russia.. (more so with the communist countries).

Why does it supprise so many of you that American history is focused on American history? If you want to learn world history, take a course in world history. If you want to learn about slavery specifically, study it on your own time. The same goes if you want to really go into depth with the Vietnam War, founding fathers... whatever. If you want to learn history from another country's perspective, go research on your own or enroll to take a course in a different country.

Scholars don't become scholars from going to high school alone. They become one through arduous work OUTSIDE of the classroom environment. Stop blaming America for your own lack of convictions.

Last but not least, tama, there's a saying for one such as you... "Jack of all trades, master of none". I'm not sure if that's a good thing, or a bad thing.

[brooklyneast05]

this is really just a reply to ur questions, not so much a debate

What the teacher probably meant was that Africa did not impact the foundation of American history as much as Europe did. Founders of America didn't come from Africa and our laws are not influenced by African laws. The chains of slavery began in Africa, but the most horrendous events relative to slavery happened in America (not Africa). I completely understand the emphasis on Europe and America, what problem do you see with this?

in a world history class, i think we should study the world, regardless of how much it had to do with America.

If you only studied kings and queens and pilgrims, I take it you never learned about WWI, WWII, Cold War, Vietnam War... the likes? You've never had a course of world religions... That's sad. What district are you in? Your parents should really take it to the board of education.

no kidding, i find WWI, WWII, ect ect to be more interesting personally. but we seemed to barely get to these subjects, it was always towards the end of the year, and u know how high school kids are at the end of the year typically.

My education, on the other hand, was impeccable and I have no grounds for complaint (except for the bad cafeteria food).

i went to brooklyn technical high school. it was very good as far as things like math, science, ect which is what i do best at. but no, i didn't enjoy or feel like i got that much out of my history classes.

My education, on the other hand, was impeccable and I have no grounds Oh, if pilgrims and kings and queens are boring to you, may I suggest taking an honors course or maybe even history AP? Those classes encourage a little more accelerated learning for your taste.

i thought of this too, because i was in all the AP math and science classes. but the history was full both years, and when was a senior and had seating advantage over lower class men i didn't have room in my schedule.


i'm sure a lot if not most schools do a good job, my personal experience with it wasn't the best. but i'm studying more into what i want to study now in college, so it's ok i suppose.

[*Sandraaa*]

...Do you go to school?

Ouch. You just have to read her post very often to grasp her ideas, that's all.

[Spirited Away]

this is really just a reply to ur questions, not so much a debate
in a world history class, i think we should study the world, regardless of how much it had to do with America.
no kidding, i find WWI, WWII, ect ect to be more interesting personally. but we seemed to barely get to these subjects, it was always towards the end of the year, and u know how high school kids are at the end of the year typically.
i went to brooklyn technical high school. it was very good as far as things like math, science, ect which is what i do best at. but no, i didn't enjoy or feel like i got that much out of my history classes.
i thought of this too, because i was in all the AP math and science classes. but the history was full both years, and when was a senior and had seating advantage over lower class men i didn't have room in my schedule.
i'm sure a lot if not most schools do a good job, my personal experience with it wasn't the best. but i'm studying more into what i want to study now in college, so it's ok i suppose.

Ah, you didn't specified that it was a world history class. If that was the case, then I absolutely agree! World history is supposed to cover world history and should NOT have been focused on American history. Why did your school hire that bozo? Both the high schools that I went to offered classes with the distinction that you'll learn American history in one class and world history in another class, and the curriculum was strictly enforced.

It's unfortunate that students at your school have to sacrifice one aspect of their studies for another.

Anyway.... goodnight!

[illriginal]

So why is it that my friend, who's been a 9th grade biology teacher for a good four years now, can't find time to finish the last 3 chapters of the biology book? Why is it that my Algebra 2 teacher skipped around our book? Oh, that's right... she said "we don't have time to cover those chapters, omit them". If you research a little, this is true of most schools (they don't have time to cover everything they should be or things they want to cover). Not that I'm complaining because I turned out fine without finite until college.

I dunno, maybe because in America, students only go to school 5 days out of the week? I'm sure there's a logical explanation as to why teachers can't finish the full course properly. Something is mathematically incorrect, that's for sure.

If you did a lil research, you'd realize America's education compared to most of the world, is shit. Education in the U.S. isn't thorough enough.

Also, I don't know about you, but I have had a couple of friends in "regular" classes (as opposed to honors/AP/IB) who has trouble with the simple idea of the Constitution... Not everyone's in honors/AP/IB, you understand?

And I should care... because? I know most of the U.S. Constitution, for example... I know I don't have to pay taxes and that the IRS can't do shit to me. In fact I can plant, grow, and harvest marijuana and the U.S. Government technically can't do shit to me either. Why? Because it's the American way, I can use the Constitution to fight many laws that ignorant Americans don't know how to fight. It's not my fault people don't have the ambition to learn and that they just go to school to pass it and move on. Pffft....

In Middle School, I got a 99% on my FCAT, I was already accepted to Duke University before I even started highschool.

You think there's too much to study in highschool? LOL Do yourself a favor, go study outside of America. Go get a real lesson in education... not some bastardized, half ass, weak education.

The problem with America is that there are a bunch of people who talk the talk, but don't walk the walk.

Exactly... wanna test me? I don't live in the U.S. by the way. C'mon choose a topic, astrology, astronomy, optical physics, physics, numerology, religion, world history, politics, mythology, philosophy, arithmetics, culture, evolution, psychology, sociology, blah blah... I can go on forever (not literally). Should I boast of my "Americanized IQ score" LOL It was a 156. My European IQ score, 157. I can talk the talk and walk the walk, educationally and physically. Thank you very much.

You do realize that America is as "selfish" about its teaching world history as any other country is self in teaching its history, right?

Really? Have you ever studied in Italy? I only went for 4 quarters and a semester. Have you seen a World History book from the University of Italy, well John Cabot University (I had to buy my English translated books from their book store)? It's about 3 times thicker than the World History, Art History, Medieval Studies books put together from Cambridge University (yes serious). Have you ever heard of Cambridge? (I'm sure you have), right after high school I was sent there on a full scholarship for 4 years. I got bored and decided to go travel a bit around the world and study internationally.

I studied Theoretical Physics in Trieste, Italia, also I attended at S.I.S.S.A. which I didn't even pay a dime for (not even for the essentials/books). They actually paid for my education there also. I'm pretty well rounded in international studies, in fact I was even going to a University in Dominican Republic and they taught American History there, as well as European, and specifically Mongolian.

Why does it supprise so many of you that American history is focused on American history? If you want to learn world history, take a course in world history. If you want to learn about slavery specifically, study it on your own time. The same goes if you want to really go into depth with the Vietnam War, founding fathers... whatever. If you want to learn history from another country's perspective, go research on your own or enroll to take a course in a different country.

I believe I was speaking of World History, and how that in America, they don't teach much about the world, unless it was nations in which revolved around the U.S. American history doesn't even teach you much about our founding fathers, in fact I learned of America's founding fathers being masons and theologists. But of course, as usual, it was half-assed. We never got personal with America's history. And there's too many lies fed to us through books in American education.

Scholars don't become scholars from going to high school alone. They become one through arduous work OUTSIDE of the classroom environment. Stop blaming America for your own lack of convictions.

I advise you to keep your assumptions of me limited... provoking me is pretty nasty, just take a look at my warning level You don't know jack shit about me (no offense), and after reading this little paragraph I'm now getting annoyed. Never make assumptions about me if you're planning to even have a discussion with me.

Last but not least, tama, there's a saying for one such as you... "Jack of all trades, master of none". I'm not sure if that's a good thing, or a bad thing.

I say you're makin it seem like a bad thing, just because I read what you quoted me a few times and it seems as if you're offended by my dogging American education. I have many skills in many things and I look for perfection in all my skills. Practice makes perfect right? Repetition? Even reading a book 3-4 times just to be able to memorize almost every word for word of every page of that book. How an obese human looks at food and craves it and wants to gobble it up like a sloppy slob of a swine, is the way I see books. Books must overwhelm me in education in order for me to be satisfied.

I'm not trying to act like a know it all, cuz the fact is... no matter what someone's gonna be smarter than you and or more experienced than you in one way or another. So that's not the case, I read that specific quote and it only made me arrogant (making assumptions and testing my knowledge expecting me to feel defeated causes a boost of arrogance).

Anyways good luck with your studies... I will be a certified Scholar. That's a fact.