A CHALLENGE TO THE ATHEIST Options

[uninspiredfae]

Heh... it's nothing like that.

You've been given the chance to understand the true and living, so do the knowledge, before you do the wisdom.

I'm out, catch yall later, PEACE! In the Middle East

So you didn't call people uneducated and "youngsters" to denigrate their opinions/beliefs?

What you did wasn't giving people a chance at anything. What you did, was prove your arrogance and made people dislike you and what you stand for. It's unfortunate, but I think your beliefs could have been better represented because it actually sounds interesting. You just made it uninteresting.

Lastly, it's a debate forum, not a forum to seek out converts.

Peace in the underground.

[illriginal]

Lastly, it's a debate forum, not a forum to seek out converts.

Wait... you think I'm here to convert people? LOL I'm selfish with my belief system. I don't care what humans want to do with their lives. I would never even try to educate someone in religion if it was about converting them.

But for real for real, I'm outs if you wanna respond to my post, just PM me... I have a fetish for making people understand me when they make assumptions.

[uninspiredfae]

You sound no different from the evangelists that tell me I've been given a chance to know God by going to so and so church and understand life through so and so and doing so and so and be enlightened so and so... blah blah blah. Even if that's not what you're doing, I'm just telling you that that is exactly what it sounds like... for your information, you know?

I bore easily, as you can see. Like Thomas Paine says, the only Church I need is the one in my mind.

I only do PMs for certain people... Mostly just those who know me from before. I'm kinda shy (not really).

[illriginal]

You sound no different from the evangelists that tell me I've been given a chance to know God by going to so and so church and understand life through so and so and doing so and so and be enlightened so and so... blah blah blah. Even if that's not what you're doing, I'm just telling you that that is exactly what it sounds like... for your information, you know?

I bore easily, as you can see. Like Thomas Paine says, the only Church I need is the one in my mind.

I only do PMs for certain people... Mostly just those who know me from before. I'm kinda shy (not really).

Heh... trust me, I'm not gonna waste my time sayin, if you don't follow the rules of God you're goin to hell! I would say, "you should follow the rules of God. But I wouldn't really mention anything about hell. Cuz then they take it as a threat as if that's all I'm implying.

But how do sound like an evangelist, all I'm doin is using the information given to me from scientific studies that explains that a specific religious relic exists and is in fact authentic. I'm not sayin, they this religious relic is authentic so you should convert to religion you heathens!! Pfft... that's not me.

I follow and study religions, all of them... but I also follow and study science, does that make me an Atheist? A faithless human? Does that mean I should preach atheism because I have scientific proof of evolution? No.

[uninspiredfae]

Now I'm not about to go through all of your posts and paste them here just to tell you why I think you sound like an evangelist for your beliefs... I really don't care enough to do that, but since I came back to this debate forum, you stand out to be like one. Is all I'm sayin'. If that's not what you are, then it's not, my misconception. My problem. Let's move on.

Not talking about Hell doesn't mean you don't make threats. You imply many things when you call people uneducated and tell them they're not good enough to talk to you. It's like the saying "you don't have to yell to be mean". In this case, you don't have to talk about Hell to be mean. You're making the threat that if people don't agree with you, they're uneducated and "young".

Anyway, enough about that.

You say you follow all religions. This is interesting. There's actually a very small, tiny religion in a small region in Vietnam known as "Cao Dai" that allow worship of most religions. Their main idol is the Eye of Heaven (a rough translation here). http://www.caodai.org/pages/?pageID=1 I digress...

I meant to ask if you've ever been to a temple or place of worship for the eastern religions that you study and follow?

Buddhism is interesting, too. Seeing how I was a Buddhist for half of my life, may I inquire how you "follow" and "study" Buddhism?

[xKatt]

I follow and study religions, all of them

So you follow Satanism? Taoism? Wicca?

And don't even disrespect my native religion by saying you follow or study it. You don't know as much as you think you do.

Buddhism, an atheistic religion, teaches religious acceptance and tolerance which obviously you don't have.

[illriginal]

I meant to ask if you've ever been to a temple or place of worship for the eastern religions that you study and follow?

Buddhism is interesting, too. Seeing how I was a Buddhist for half of my life, may I inquire how you "follow" and "study" Buddhism?

Been to a Jewish Temple, Buddhist Temple/Monastery (this is where I learned my meditations @ a Stupa), Mosque, and Church... non of them appeals to me. So I don't bother going to religious buildings, don't need to do so, other than what I said before, I learned how to properly meditate.

As for Buddhism, I own an English translated Tipitaka (which I only have 20 volumes of) and a Pali Canon (I barely read though), I study the Tibetan, Chinese, and Zen's Denominations/philosophies.

The teachings of Siddhartha Gautama is what truly inspired me to be more spiritual and also opened my mind to metaphysics of all sorts. Thus letting me follow the path to Enlightenment.

I know the The Four Noble Truths and follow The Eightfold Path.

All in all, I'm very complex especially my belief system. My religions are all in conjunction with each other all are authentic.

The one question I always get is, if you believe in a soul, then how can you believe in Buddhism? I believe your soul is a vessel in which keeps your Karma, and your Karma has a weight to it. Either as light/lighter than a feather or heavy.
Light = Divine
Heavy = Finite Punishment


Like I said, I'm more complicated than the Bible being translated properly.

So you follow Satanism? Taoism? Wicca?

And don't even disrespect my native religion by saying you follow or study it. You don't know as much as you think you do.

Buddhism, an atheistic religion, teaches religious acceptance and tolerance which obviously you don't have.

I've studied Satanism but never committed to it. I've also studied White Magic or what Jihnn's (Arabic for Magician, Sorcerer) study but I never committed to it either, same with Tibetan Black Magic.

And don't disrespect your religion by saying that I follow it? I don't know as much I as I think I do?

You're a weak minded pathetic fool, you know NOTHING of me nor would I waste my time with such a foul human.

Silly child, I don't have to conform to any religion... don't ever get that twisted lol

[uninspiredfae]

You're a weak minded pathetic fool, you know NOTHING of me nor would I waste my time with such a foul human.

Silly child, I don't have to conform to any religion... don't ever get that twisted lol

And... what part of that is a practicing Buddhist in you?

There is a point to my question and if you don't see it yet I promise I will tell you.

"It is natural for the immature to harm others.
Getting angry with them is like resenting a fire for burning."
Shantideva

A BAG OF NAILS
Once upon a time there was a little boy with a bad temper. His father gave him a bag of nails and told him that every time he lost his temper, he should hammer a nail in the fence. The first day the boy had driven 37 nails into the fence. But gradually, the number of daily nails dwindled down. He discovered it was easier to hold his temper than to drive those nails into the fence.
Finally the first day came when the boy didn't lose his temper at all. He proudly told his father about it and the father suggested that the boy now pull out one nail for each day that he was able to hold his temper. The days passed and the young boy was finally able to tell his father that all the nails were gone. The father took his son by the hand and led him to the fence.
"You have done well, my son, but look at the holes in the fence. The fence will never be the same. When you say things in anger, they leave a scar just like this one. You can put a knife in a man and draw it out, it won't matter how many times you say 'I'm sorry', the wound is still there."

From http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/anger.html

There was a monk that used to tell us stories like this one at the temple that my grandma took me to. They're nice and you always walk away with something valuable.

From what I'm understanding, you grab bits and pieces that you like from religions and follow them. Does that sum up everything correctly, though simply?

[illriginal]

And... what part of that is a practicing Buddhist in you?

There is a point to my question and if you don't see it yet I promise I will tell you.

It's not hard to understand, I don't conform to a specific religion. I don't need to be a sweet heart to you or anyone just to prove that I'm Buddhist. I don't even call myself buddhist, but I do practice it. How bout this, label me a hypocrite and we'll leave it at that.

I have my reasons why I am the way I am. I rather be called a hypocrite and know that it seems like I am while being highly complicated, than to just be ignorant and pretend like I know what I'm talking about.

From what I'm understanding, you grab bits and pieces that you like from religions and follow them. Does that sum up everything correctly, though simply?

From my research, as long as it's connected to each other, and it's authentic, then yes. I would find that to be correct. Because for example the holes that are in Christianity, Buddhism has an answer to. Every religion is in fact in conjunction with each other, it's just very complicated.

If you'd like to get an idea, get a book called, "The Science Of Religion".

Eastern Philosophers/Scholars will be a lot more useful

[uninspiredfae]

I edited.

[uninspiredfae]

Being complicated is not an excuse to be called someone practicing Buddhism. I assist a contractual lawyer part-time so I get all anal about definitions, claims and terminologies... you understand. So, when a person say they practice Buddhism, but exhibit all the signs of someone not practicing Buddhism... I have to question it. You understand? It's kind of my job to call your bluff.

Maybe you do do what you say do. I just don't see it because the evidence is not there. You're not on trial here, so it doesn't matter. It's a personal opinion and I'm allowed to comment since you opened up that venue. It's allowed in the American justice system, so I suppose it must be allowed on cB.

I think I'm complicated, too. In fact, I think all of humanity is complicated. Special cases are Socrates and his pupil, Ben Franklin and Thomas Paine... who else... Nietzsche especially, and oh so many more. And you think you're "highly complicated"? These people must be out of this world.

[illriginal]

Being complicated is not an excuse to be called someone practicing Buddhism. I assist a contractual lawyer part-time so I get all anal about definitions, claims and terminologies... you understand. So, when a person say they practice Buddhism, but exhibit all the signs of someone not practicing Buddhism... I have to question it. You understand?

I think I'm complicated, too. In fact, I think all of humanity is complicated. Special cases are Socrates and his pupil, Ben Franklin and Thomas Paine... who else... Nietzsche especially, and oh so many more. And you think you're "highly complicated"? These people must be out of this world.

Ha I love the Friedrich Nietzsche's philosophy. I'm comparable to him... in all seriousness.

Hm... do you know the complication of pantheism? That is generally my belief system. Some people have a hard time grasping the belief system of pantheist... the human mind is complicated. But I'm speaking of my belief system, it is complicated.

[xKatt]

Been to a Jewish Temple, Buddhist Temple/Monastery (this is where I learned my meditations @ a Stupa), Mosque, and Church... non of them appeals to me. So I don't bother going to religious buildings, don't need to do so, other than what I said before, I learned how to properly meditate.

As for Buddhism, I own an English translated Tipitaka (which I only have 20 volumes of) and a Pali Canon (I barely read though), I study the Tibetan, Chinese, and Zen's Denominations/philosophies.

The teachings of Siddhartha Gautama is what truly inspired me to be more spiritual and also opened my mind to metaphysics of all sorts. Thus letting me follow the path to Enlightenment.

I know the The Four Noble Truths and follow The Eightfold Path.

All in all, I'm very complex especially my belief system. My religions are all in conjunction with each other all are authentic.

The one question I always get is, if you believe in a soul, then how can you believe in Buddhism? I believe your soul is a vessel in which keeps your Karma, and your Karma has a weight to it. Either as light/lighter than a feather or heavy.
Light = Divine
Heavy = Finite Punishment
Like I said, I'm more complicated than the Bible being translated properly.
I've studied Satanism but never committed to it. I've also studied White Magic or what Jihnn's (Arabic for Magician, Sorcerer) study but I never committed to it either, same with Tibetan Black Magic.

And don't disrespect your religion by saying that I follow it? I don't know as much I as I think I do?

You're a weak minded pathetic fool, you know NOTHING of me nor would I waste my time with such a foul human.

Silly child, I don't have to conform to any religion... don't ever get that twisted lol

Weak minded pathetic fool? Foul human? Silly child?

I like it. I'll add that to my list of names I've been called by religious bigots along with 'source of evil', 'abomination', 'demon' and the like.



I applaud you for insulting and virtually spitting on a 14 year old girl. I'm sure you're proud of yourself.

[Simba]

Tamacracker isn't fit for explaining his sort of beliefs (trust me, that's not a diss on you, man). Partially why he's probably having trouble explaining/you guys are having trouble understanding what he's talking about.

As he's said several times before, it's mad complicated.

Anyway, D, if I were you, I'd try to limit what you're trying to explain/debate with to a portion rather than dead on with the all of your beliefs. If you know what I mean...

[illriginal]

Tamacracker isn't fit for explaining his sort of beliefs (trust me, that's not a diss on you, man). Partially why he's probably having trouble explaining/you guys are having trouble understanding what he's talking about.

As he's said several times before, it's mad complicated.

Anyway, D, if I were you, I'd try to limit what you're trying to explain/debate with to a portion rather than dead on with the all of your beliefs. If you know what I mean...

Yeah, you're right Arjuna. I think I'm done explaining in this thread. I hate to lower myself to name calling and disrespecting. But if someone doesn't understand my views and keep assuming my "religion" (which I technically don't have one, it's either all or non at all) I put my defense wall up. And I start to defend every aspect of my belief system.

If they're tryin to get an understanding, I'm better at explaining it vocally then typing up a books worth of info (we speak faster than we type) just to get 1 person or a few people to understand me.

I'll refrain from posting in this thread, I feel like I have to give my life's story just to open/close a debate lol

uninspiredfae, sorry you couldn't get a better understanding. You're right, I didn't practice what I preached on this thread, I'm opened to being labeled a hypocrite, it's better that way. With that label, I don't have to explain myself

[uninspiredfae]

If Pantheism is too complicated for us mere mortals, I suppose no one else is a Pantheist save our Tamacracker here. And if there are more pantheists, from this conversation, I must conclude that they are exposed to such complicated predicaments that they are on a higher level of understanding and we are not good enough to exist along side them.... In all seriousness, I doubt this is the higher human Nietzche had in mind. (I like Nietzche, too).

I can't say I know pantheism, but I can say I know Buddhism, to a certain point. I know agnosticism, humanism, deism... all to a certain point of course...

"What is like a smelly fart,
that, although invisible is obvious?
One's own faults, that are precisely
As obvious as the effort made to hide them."
His Holiness the 7th Dalai Lama in 'Songs of spiritual change' (translated by Glenn Mullin)

I refuse to call you a hypocrite. I actually think you're interesting.

[uninspiredfae]

From my research, as long as it's connected to each other, and it's authentic, then yes. I would find that to be correct. Because for example the holes that are in Christianity, Buddhism has an answer to. Every religion is in fact in conjunction with each other, it's just very complicated.

If you'd like to get an idea, get a book called, "The Science Of Religion".

Eastern Philosophers/Scholars will be a lot more useful

I didn't see this part. That sounds great except that most Christians/Catholics I talked to always had an answer for anything... and trust me, I ask a lot. Even if I don't like the answer... or even accept their answers... they have answers. Filling holes. That's interesting, too.

The only books I get to read nowdays are Texas Codes and law manuals. But I told you before that I would try to find the book. It's hard to google it because you didn't give me an author.

[*Flair*]

Tamacracker isn't fit for explaining his sort of beliefs (trust me, that's not a diss on you, man). Partially why he's probably having trouble explaining/you guys are having trouble understanding what he's talking about.

As he's said several times before, it's mad complicated.

Anyway, D, if I were you, I'd try to limit what you're trying to explain/debate with to a portion rather than dead on with the all of your beliefs. If you know what I mean...

So that's an excuse for calling us 'ignorant youngsters'?

[sadolakced acid]

tamacracker's belief system is extremely simple.

he believes himself to be completely right.

and that in itself is a very dangerous thing.

[tr1pp1n]

^ Shut up you're ugly

check sig for who i am

[uninspiredfae]

tamacracker's belief system is extremely simple.

he believes himself to be completely right.

and that in itself is a very dangerous thing.

I quoted David Bowie so many times, because he's so right on this point, which you can agree.

"The road to certainty is the road to insanity"--DB

I don't have a problem with Tamacracker's beliefs, because it sounds interesting. I have a problem with him claiming that he's practicing Buddhism when I can't even call myself a Buddhist anymore ever since I realized the implications of being one. I also have a problem with people telling others that they've been "given a chance" at anything spiritual/faith/religious wise. Nietzche would laugh at that; Paine would cringe; Franklin would look away. My favorite writers altogether, would be disappointed if I took that "chance" from someone else rather than looking and working towards it myself.

[Simba]

Yeah, you're right Arjuna. I think I'm done explaining in this thread. I hate to lower myself to name calling and disrespecting. But if someone doesn't understand my views and keep assuming my "religion" (which I technically don't have one, it's either all or non at all) I put my defense wall up. And I start to defend every aspect of my belief system.

If they're tryin to get an understanding, I'm better at explaining it vocally then typing up a books worth of info (we speak faster than we type) just to get 1 person or a few people to understand me.

I'll refrain from posting in this thread, I feel like I have to give my life's story just to open/close a debate lol

Well, I'm glad that you were able to take what I meant well.

By the way, by no means did I want you to stop posting here. I guess, like you said, you don't need to be giving your whole life story via posts (which just doesn't work that well). I mean, I've debated here before, but I don't think I've even completely revealed my stance in this whole mishmash.

So that's an excuse for calling us 'ignorant youngsters'?

Not at all. =P In fact, I said that so he would wind down. He said it himself, if someone doesn't understand his views, then he puts his "defense wall" up, and I can tell it's hard to explain the full story of what he's talking about.

[NoSex]

To get back on topic: In the same vain, is it a serious and significant challenge against a non-believer in unicorns to demand that he or she disprove the existence of said unicorns?

If the challenged could not deductively prove that unicorns do not exist, would this support the proposition that unicorns do exist? Should we expect that unicorns, if they do exist, would provide some sort of material, observable, measurable, or verifiable evidence for their existence which could be analyzed? If unicorns did not exist, what kind of evidence could one posit aside from showing the inadequacy of a model built on the pretense that unicorns do indeed exist? Is not the burden of proof of the unicorn believer to provide evidence to be analyzed? How is it a challenge, at all, to ask someone to disprove something for which there is no proof or reason to believe? Isn't this just a sorry smoke screen?

[xKatt]

Nooo why did you revive this topic??

UNICORNS DO EXIST. Because 91% of America believes in them and my parents do, so they must exist. Oh yeah and there was a book written thousands of years ago about them, so yeah that's proof right thurr.

[heyyfrankie]

there is ALOT going in here.
so back to the original statement.

Prove that there is no God.

blah blha blah...
there are just going to be the same things being said over and over again...but the main one that i mostly agrre with is that there's honestly no way to prove that (a) God exists or dosn't exist.

you just have to ...its like...idk uh...FAITH! that's all it's about. If you believe in (a) God, then thta's great. If you don't, then thta's great.

Religion and Spirituality are all about YOU AND A HIGHER POWER...if "the atheists" annoy you that much cuz they don't beleive, then just the f**k over it cuz you have your god...just let them not have theirs. It's not your life, it won't affect you...i don't see the big deal.

i actually find this topic offense. first of all, the title annoys me. idk why, it just does.

&for the record, i do believe in God. and i tolerate EVERY RELIGION OF THE WORLD. yes, even Atheism.