A CHALLENGE TO THE ATHEIST Options

[Simba]

The truth is, God can not be PROVEN or DISPROVEN. So good luck with your arguments because none of them are valid.

Around here, the idea isn't necessarily to actually prove or disprove God. Some people just want to find out what the other side has going through their heads.

Come on now, do we look that dull?

As for people feeling like they're putting down here, this is the Debate forum, not The Lounge. Discussion can be quite a bit more fierce here. You gotta learn how to hold your ground, ya dig? It's part of debate-psychological warfare. =P

[xKatt]

Around here, the idea isn't necessarily to actually prove or disprove God. Some people just want to find out what the other side has going through their heads.

Come on now, do we look that dull?

As for people feeling like they're putting down here, this is the Debate forum, not The Lounge. Discussion can be quite a bit more fierce here. You gotta learn how to hold your ground, ya dig? It's part of debate-psychological warfare. =P

Oh no, I'm not concerned about people getting hurt. It's just that people could get hurt for no reason because there is a slim to none chance that someone is going to budge on their religious stance.

I guess there are people who are open-minded, that look at religion objectively, that could be swayed by an Atheist's theories and vice versa.

I just thought I'd share my opinion. Religion is a matter of personal preference and to challenge that is kind of ... unnecessary for lack of a better term.

[Simba]

Oh no, I'm not concerned about people getting hurt. It's just that people could get hurt for no reason because there is a slim to none chance that someone is going to budge on their religious stance.

Oh, nah, that was directed towards Naomi. =P

Ha ha at your signature.

[bamababy89]

first of all, to make a strong argument,
proper grammar (or nearly proper) is quite
helpful to your case. doesn't have to be
perfect, just understandable.

secondly, i believe in God, but I cannot
prove to you why he exists, since I'm having
alot of difficulty with my faith myself.
a Christian should not have to prove something
to an atheist, just as an athiest shouldn't
have to prove something to a Christian. Noone
has the right to pass judgement on anyone
else. If you have faith, you have it. If you
don't, you don't. You have every right to choose
what you believe. If someone doesn't believe
in God, or your God, do you really think you're
going to convince them to your side by telling
them they're "screwed up in the head" ? Be real!

Last, could you try not to make racist comments
toward the cBers? I'm aware that the majority of
those active in forums are asian, but you are no
more of a person than they are, so don't make
condescending innuendos, its just rude. I was born
white. I did nothing to become white, and I am in
no way superior to any other race. The end.

[fathomlessdame]

I dont believe as most Christians, that poof, God just us here. Theres too much scientific proof that he didnt. Tho I do believe he had a hand in starting life, most likely with the big bang

[1angel3]

Oh, nah, that was directed towards Naomi. =P

Ha ha at your signature.

I only said that because some people wasn't open minded enough to handle this topic...Oh don't get me wrong, I can stand my Ground plus the time I wrote this I was piss of because of that jerk (sadolakced acid) a couple comments below me. Some people don't respect people belief or point of view. I also understand debates can get heated and I allowed myself to get heated.


I engage in debates to deep, I love it

[NoSex]

Some people don't respect people belief or point of view.

Rightfully so.
I won't respect those beliefs which do not deserve respect.
Racism. Sexism. Religiosity.
All pretty stupid.

[1angel3]

Rightfully so.
I won't respect those beliefs which do not deserve respect.
Racism. Sexism. Religiosity.
All pretty stupid.

I agree with Racism, Sexism but Religiosity I don't know, I respect people religious belief, To each is own you know

[NoSex]

I agree with Racism, Sexism but Religiosity I don't know, I respect people religious belief, To each is own you know

They are all equally unfounded beliefs. None of them really deserve respect.
You're just giving religion a free pass cause it's socially taboo to criticize another's spirituality.
Beliefs shouldn't be respected merely because they are believed; that's a terrible notion.

[*steve330*]

To each is own? To each his own maybe?

Religion is overrated

[xKatt]

They are all equally unfounded beliefs. None of them really deserve respect.
You're just giving religion a free pass cause it's socially taboo to criticize another's spirituality.
Beliefs shouldn't be respected merely because they are believed; that's a terrible notion.

Agreed 100%.

Religion is tremendously popular, so people are afraid to think differently of what's mainstream. I like the saying "What's popular is not always right, and what's right is not always popular".

@Acid Bath Slayer: I can't remember your name, but I've always had a huge crush on you, haha!

[1angel3]

They are all equally unfounded beliefs. None of them really deserve respect.
You're just giving religion a free pass cause it's socially taboo to criticize another's spirituality.
Beliefs shouldn't be respected merely because they are believed; that's a terrible notion.

Well I'm the kind of person that don't care what you believe, you believe what you want to believe To each is own, if you believe it, its your life as long it don't effect me in anyway. But thats your opinion and I respect that

[NoSex]

Agreed 100%.
@Acid Bath Slayer: I can't remember your name, but I've always had a huge crush on you, haha!

My name is Nate.
And, I'm flattered.

Well I'm the kind of person that don't care what you believe, you believe what you want to believe To each is own, if you believe it, its your life as long it don't effect me in anyway. But thats your opinion and I respect that

I guess I just care too much.

[sadolakced acid]

I was not referring to the positive or negative response between the magnetic fields or the scientific logic that was explain in science class. I was trying to have a critical conversation with you, and with an open mind. Can you explain the unseen forces within the magnetic field to me? I don't mean how it works, I mean where does it come from? If your so smart, you will be smarter than anybody in the world. You do not have all the answers to all life's mysteries.

PS. Science is not always a Fact for a example, How do scientist really know how far the nearest solar system is? When you can't measure the universe by light beams or any other means, just by standing on this planet.
Have a nice day
You prove that I am! You don't know me. Now that's my proof.

I believe you have just proved yourself an idiot.

Don't try to argue about something that you don't know. Just because you happen to not know science doesn't mean it is not true.

Let's review why you are an idiot.

you stated that "science is not always a Fact"

And your example you used to "prove" this is an introductory problem that can be solve in a variety of ways, which include:

1. This can be done by simple trigonometry. Which is done by standing on the earth, in a sense.
2. This can be done by an understanding of star magnitudes and the nature of luminosity. Which is done exactly with light beams.

Just because you are an idiot who doesn't know these facts doesn't mean that science is deficient. I could offer to explain both techniques to you, but i get the feeling you would just ignore my explanations, so i'm not going to waste my time.

Would anyone else like to try to prove that they are not an idiot?

[*Flair*]

In my class, we're only 2 unbelievers; my friend and I. My friend is an atheist but doesn't really know how to express or defend herself. I on the other hand HATE being told that 'God exists, you just have to have faith'. BULLSHIT. I am SICK and TIRED of hearing 'How do you know that air exists? You can't feel nor touch it but it does exist. The same applies for God'. Again, BULLSHIT. I am not even going to justify that 'theory' with a response.

My sister who is a believer asked 'Sandra, how do you know that God doesn't exist?'. Simple; I have NEVER seen nor heard him talk. He has never spoken to me. How can you be sure that there's someone out there watching your every move? That's paranoia my friend and a little perverse.

For Christians: Has 'God' ever spoken to you? Have you ever seen him?

F-ck, this is a myth! Ridiculous. Aahh, I'm sure those who invented the Bible and the Quran are laughing at your silly asses.

[JonnyMoseley]

the topic Challenge for Christians. "prove that your God is different from an imaginary friend"? Sort of similar.

dude i agree. prove that god isn't just imaginary. atheist can't porve that there is no god, but christians can't prove there is one. yea all those story are JUST STORIES. Anybody can make up a story. There are explanations for the plauges too. When you can prove there is a god i will then become a christian, but until that day, i play to be an atheist.

[1angel3]

I believe you have just proved yourself an idiot.

Don't try to argue about something that you don't know. Just because you happen to not know science doesn't mean it is not true.

Let's review why you are an idiot.

you stated that "science is not always a Fact"

And your example you used to "prove" this is an introductory problem that can be solve in a variety of ways, which include:

1. This can be done by simple trigonometry. Which is done by standing on the earth, in a sense.
2. This can be done by an understanding of star magnitudes and the nature of luminosity. Which is done exactly with light beams.

Just because you are an idiot who doesn't know these facts doesn't mean that science is deficient. I could offer to explain both techniques to you, but i get the feeling you would just ignore my explanations, so i'm not going to waste my time.

Would anyone else like to try to prove that they are not an idiot?

Yes

I'm 1angel3 father. And she is no idiot! I'm the one who understands science and most of this subject I'm sharing my knowledge with her. If I were to debate you on the subject of science I would eat you for lunch. You are no match for me. Example, Light beams are just tools scientist use for measurements only. But true measurements would require actual travel through space from one point to another. We just don't have the technology to measure distance that are millions of light years away. Our technology has not evolved that far yet. Now, what I'm trying to say to your small mind is that you are playing with some scientist theory. Everything is not a Fact, even a idiot would know that. What those that make you?

I respect everyone opinion and their knowledge on intellectual conversations about serious subjects such as science. I do not appreciate you calling my daughter a idiot. You have know right to pass judgement on others. Especially when we know nothing about you. As far as I'm concerned we are all idiots. And you are the ring leader since you know so much.

P.s. This 1angel3 again if you so quick to call someone an idiot, are you a scientist? Only a scientist count, prove to me your not an idiot by telling me your a scientist. And lack of knowledge don't make a person an idiot.

[banneker]

if u want proof that God is real, start breathing and if there is air, there is God!!!

In my class, we're only 2 unbelievers; my friend and I. My friend is an atheist but doesn't really know how to express or defend herself. I on the other hand HATE being told that 'God exists, you just have to have faith'. BULLSHIT. I am SICK and TIRED of hearing 'How do you know that air exists? You can't feel nor touch it but it does exist. The same applies for God'. Again, BULLSHIT. I am not even going to justify that 'theory' with a response.

My sister who is a believer asked 'Sandra, how do you know that God doesn't exist?'. Simple; I have NEVER seen nor heard him talk. He has never spoken to me. How can you be sure that there's someone out there watching your every move? That's paranoia my friend and a little perverse.

For Christians: Has 'God' ever spoken to you? Have you ever seen him?

F-ck, this is a myth! Ridiculous. Aahh, I'm sure those who invented the Bible and the Quran are laughing at your silly asses.

are u kidding me, are u serious u stubborn person. so u actually think science is responsible for this world, that just shows u dont appreciate God and the love he has for you and everyone else.

To each is own? To each his own maybe?

Religion is overrated

i agree somewhat since religious is man made but everyone should still believe in God and that his son Our Lord and savior Jesus Christ died for us on the cross.


Posts merged. Please don't triple post and please edit next time. -- Arjuna

This post has been edited by Arjuna Capulong: Jun 27 2007, 10:48 PM

[xKatt]

You've got to be kidding me. I've immediately lost the little respect I had for you, 1angel3.
If that truly is your dad typing up a debate post for you, you really need to get off the internet because clearly it is too dangerous for you. Or at least the debate thread because you obviously can't think for yourself, and having your own opinion is the only thing that matters in debate.
And if that wasn't your dad, which I'm fairly sure it wasn't, clearly you have no valid points and are using your father's credibility to indimidate us.

Everything is not a Fact, even a an idiot would know that. What those does that make you?

I respect everyone everyone's opinion and their knowledge on intellectual conversations about serious subjects such as science. I do not appreciate you calling my daughter a an idiot. You have know no right to pass judgement on others.

And clearly your father who's supposedly a college graduate can not properly utilize grammar. So Jason (that's your name if I remember correctly?) may not pass judgement yet your father can call him an idiot?
Oh yeah and nice PS at the bottom. You and your dad are teaming up on a teenage boy over the internet. This is the lowest cB has ever gotten.
PS. I am not intimidated by older people. Especially if it's over the internet.

Edit//

Can someone warn this insolent, over-religious fool that's posted 3 times in a row?

[JonnyMoseley]

banneker, you are being conpletely illogical, and quite frankly a jack ass. you are really stuborn on your religion. give me proof that there is a god. and i don't want the bs air exuse or the adam and eve shit becuase all that is is crap. give me cold, hard, evidence.

[Simba]

Maybe I should come back later.

[*MyMichelle*]

What those that make you?

Okay, I'm sorry, but this line is just too funny.

[JonnyMoseley]

Yes

I'm 1angel3 father. And she is no idiot! I'm the one who understands science and most of this subject I'm sharing my knowledge with her. If I were to debate you on the subject of science I would eat you for lunch. You are no match for me. Example, Light beams are just tools scientist use for measurements only. But true measurements would require actual travel through space from one point to another. We just don't have the technology to measure distance that are millions of light years away. Our technology has not evolved that far yet. Now, what I'm trying to say to your small mind is that you are playing with some scientist theory. Everything is not a Fact, even a idiot would know that. What those that make you?

I respect everyone opinion and their knowledge on intellectual conversations about serious subjects such as science. I do not appreciate you calling my daughter a idiot. You have know right to pass judgement on others. Especially when we know nothing about you. As far as I'm concerned we are all idiots. And you are the ring leader since you know so much.

P.s. This 1angel3 again if you so quick to call someone an idiot, are you a scientist? Only a scientist count, prove to me your not an idiot by telling me your a scientist. And lack of knowledge don't make a person an idiot.

HOLY SHIT!!! you are both idiots!!! you both do not know how to spell or proporly use grammer. IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Simba]

Please dial the bashing down...

[JonnyMoseley]

ok i'm sorry.