Sexual equality is ridiculous, Paychecks. Options

[*kryogenix*]

So, what you're saying here is, women deserve money because they're a bunch of materialistic hos?

Women don't get as much money because they're a dead investment.

[AngryBaby]

f**kin bitches

[Simba]

Actually, a man would probably pay for the first date, maybe the second or even third. But after that, what normal human beings would do is split the bill, unless the guy is a LOT LOT LOT wealthier than the girl.

That aside. Guys have more needs for money? Don't think so. We, women, also have needs - equal or maybe even exceeding the needs of a typical man.

I'll be stereotypical here, but for instance:

- a single mom that has to take care of her child would logically need more money than a single guy, most times.

- money for make up, hair products (some women spend a fortune on these), shaving/waxing equipment, pads/tampons, birth control (pills that we take, etc), clothes (although this goes for both sexes, but most women "need" more shopping there), accessoires (jewelry mostly), perfumes/body lotions/moisturizers/tanning moisturizers, and I can't think of anymore examples. But I'm sure there's more.

- some women don't date.

- what about arranged marriages? The expenses which you mentioned wouldn't be in there, I guess. Could be wrong.

- lesbians. No guys there to pay for the date.

So why should we get paid less?

Sorry guys, like I said before, I really don't have anything to argue against that sort of logic right now, so I'm letting it rest for the moment. In other words, you win that for now.

Any proof on that? Some statistics? Why should I believe that?

Well, did you check the article I linked to, for starters?

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/06...brainy_men.html
(And before someone bites about it, the article was written by a woman.)

f**kin bitches

Please don't spam.

[Comptine]

^and please keep in mind to be respectful to both sides (sexes) of the debate. so don't refer to women as "dead investment" or "bitches".

well. it's been a general assumption that men are more impulsive while women tend to read into things and dwell on them. so, a guy might decide to buy 1000 shares in a company because it's having a good quarter while a girl might wait it out a bit to see if it's safe.

if men are more intelligent than women, and that should be the basis for salary, why can't we pay skinny people more and fat people less? i mean, fat people are just unhealthy and waste all their money on food. hell, they're going to die pretty soon from their blood turning into lard, so they don't deserve the same salary as a skinny person in the same job.

[*onewaysalcha*]

women take their kids everywhere. therefore, needing money for fuel.
women buy groceries. therefore, needing money for food.
women buy their clothes, their husband's clothes, and their kids clothes, therefore needing money for clothing.
women get to go home to a messy house and have a ton of chores to do like unloading the dishwasher, washing/drying clothes, folding clothes, paperwork, vacuming, cleaning in general, therefore needing more time.
women have way more needs for money than men. men usually just go out and spend their money on boats, trucks, ect. that they don't need. not to mention, they want the woman to look pretty all the time, which is just too hard for her with trying to make him happy and do all the things listed above with the short ammount of time given in a day and not getting paid what she's worth. it's ridiculous.

Men pay the bills of the house, the cars, the insurance, the family income, etc. Simply, men get paid more because in a typical family, the husband goes to work while the woman stays at home.

I believe there will never be sexual equality in the world, that God created man before a woman for a reason, taking one part of Adam to make Eve. There should, however, be a fine line for wages and rights though.

[*kryogenix*]

The hell?

Women ARE a dead investment. There is no getting around that. That's because women tend to have babies, while men usually don't. Dead investment.

[xoxo_proud]

Men pay the bills of the house, the cars, the insurance, the family income, etc. Simply, men get paid more because in a typical family, the husband goes to work while the woman stays at home.

I believe there will never be sexual equality in the world, that God created man before a woman for a reason, taking one part of Adam to make Eve. There should, however, be a fine line for wages and rights though.

What if, in someone's family, the mother works and the father stays home? That family should get less money simply because the mother works?

And, sorry, but not everyone believes in God.

[Ington]

Women should get paid as much as men do, and chivalry should be burned. That's what I say.

If you want equality, take equality as a whole, not parts of it. If you want to be treated with respect, treat others with the same respect. I despise how feminists argue how men always try to bring them down with their evil penises, while then turning and expecting men to simply get on their knees for them. If you do not see others equally, you yourself will not be seen as equals either.

I'm not saying women aren't equal to men. I'm saying that feminism died in the 90s and that reform is urgently needed to drench feudalism and all it stood for with kerosene and burn it to the ground.

[*onewaysalcha*]

What if, in someone's family, the mother works and the father stays home? That family should get less money simply because the mother works?

And, sorry, but not everyone believes in God.

That's a rare occurence; plus you can't fit EVERYONE's needs. Plus it depends on what type of job you have.

[AngelinaTaylor]

So, what you're saying here is, women deserve money because they're a bunch of materialistic hos?

Women don't get as much money because they're a dead investment.

Men are never satisfied, are they? If we're not materialistic bitches, we'll be bitches who don't give a shit about their appearance and look extremely unattractive. But that's not good for you either. Then you'll be all like, "Well, hoe, you look like an ape, how do you expect me to date you?!" or "OH MY FREAKIN' GOD, YOU DON'T SHAVE?! YOU THINK WE'RE IN THE JUNGLE OR SOMETHING?!" or "I can't see your face. It's lost in all the hair. Or wait, IS that hair?..."

Make up your mind, will ya?

Men pay the bills of the house, the cars, the insurance, the family income, etc. Simply, men get paid more because in a typical family, the husband goes to work while the woman stays at home.

I believe there will never be sexual equality in the world, that God created man before a woman for a reason, taking one part of Adam to make Eve. There should, however, be a fine line for wages and rights though.

How's it like to live in the 18th century?

[*kryogenix*]

[font=Comic Sans Ms]Men are never satisfied, are they? If we're not materialistic bitches, we'll be bitches who don't give a shit about their appearance and look extremely unattractive. But that's not good for you either. Then you'll be all like, "Well, hoe, you look like an ape, how do you expect me to date you?!" or "OH MY FREAKIN' GOD, YOU DON'T SHAVE?! YOU THINK WE'RE IN THE JUNGLE OR SOMETHING?!" or "I can't see your face. It's lost in all the hair. Or wait, IS that hair?..."

Make up your mind, will ya?

So what does any of this have to do with women deserving more money?

[AngelinaTaylor]

So what does any of this have to do with women deserving more money?

We do need to buy all these things. Hence, we do need just as much money as men.

[*kryogenix*]

We do need to buy all these things. Hence, we do need just as much money as men.

Need?

You wanna pull this "well we need makeup or men won't like us?" bullshit? Then how about men need more money because they need expensive cars, clothes and houses to impress women? Therefore, men need more money than women and it's totally fair.

[AngelinaTaylor]

Need?

You wanna pull this "well we need makeup or men won't like us?" bullshit? Then how about men need more money because they need expensive cars, clothes and houses to impress women? Therefore, men need more money than women and it's totally fair.

Nah, having expensive cars and caring for your appearance are two different things. Honestly, how many times have you gone out with a chick who doesn't do anything for her appearance?

I never said "more". I just said as much ;) If you guys are saying men have to pay for dates and that's why they deserve more money, why shouldn't I use make up to argue the contrary? It's totally fair.

[Mystic Eyes]

This is pathetic.

1) Society has made it soo that men should pay for dates.

Reality Check: Both should pay, it's not written anywhere in this universe that one should pay

2) Make up for girls, hair products, etc.

Reality Check: I'm a very well groomed guy and I spend money on hair products, clothes, creams, etc to maintain my good looks. So thats no excuse.

3) Men buying houses, cars, etc to impress the ladies?

Reality check: Since when do you buy a car or house to impress the opposite sex. If someone ever did that then they are by far the most stupid and most simple minded human being in the world.

Seriously, get over yourselves, it's retarded when both men and women bitch about eachother. Men and Women are equal whether you like that or not, see that or not, it's the truth. Both have their own weaknesses and strength but both are designed from mother nature as equals. So if a man and woman does the exact same job then they should be payed equally. The only down side is that for some stupid reason women are paid less. It's the 21st century and our society is still like this? what a joke.

[*kryogenix*]

Nah, having expensive cars and caring for your appearance are two different things. Honestly, how many times have you gone out with a chick who doesn't do anything for her appearance?

I never said "more". I just said as much ;) If you guys are saying men have to pay for dates and that's why they deserve more money, why shouldn't I use make up to argue the contrary? It's totally fair.

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Men make more money because they earn more money. They DESERVE more money. Not because they NEED more money.

Women are dead investments in the workplace; that is why they do not deserve as much money as men. That is why they do not make as much money as men.

You can try to pull this artificial need bullshit all you want. You know what, tell your employer, the next time you ask for a raise, use your argument to get the raise. Good luck keeping your job.

Seriously, get over yourselves, it's retarded when both men and women bitch about eachother. Men and Women are equal whether you like that or not, see that or not, it's the truth. Both have their own weaknesses and strength but both are designed from mother nature as equals. So if a man and woman does the exact same job then they should be payed equally. The only down side is that for some stupid reason women are paid less. It's the 21st century and our society is still like this? what a joke.

You just contradicted yourself. Men and Women are equal whether you like that or not, see that or not, it's the truth. Both have their own weaknesses and strength.... Fail.

Too bad on a whole, men and women DON'T do the same exact job. That's why women tend to get paid less, because they are weaker, usually don't have the required intelligence and companies know they aren't a dependable source of work due to the fact that they have babies.

[*Podomaht*]

Basically, MEN ARE BETTAR!!1

[Mystic Eyes]

kryogenix, you fail Embarrassingly because you some how can't see the point. Men and women have there own qualities. Even on a individual scale, the man to the left isn't the same as the man to the right, simple.

But overall when you add it all up, there equal. It's amusing you couldn't see something that simple. Oh well, life goes on.

[Simba]

kryogenix, you fail Embarrassingly because you some how can't see the point. Men and women have there own qualities.

Talent in nurturing is for home and the day-care center.

Even on a individual scale, the man to the left isn't the same as the man to the right, simple.

But overall when you add it all up, there equal. It's amusing you couldn't see something that simple. Oh well, life goes on.

The point is that, generally, man is not equal in capability as woman in so-and-so.

This is already evident in athletics (I think I've said that about a thousand times by now) and the military.

"Generally, men are physically stronger than women."
And then you can go on.
"Generally, men are smarter than women."
"Generally, men are more humorous than women."
And to be fair, "Generally, women are better at nurturing than men."

I'm not saying those statements are necessarily true, but you should get the point.

[*kryogenix*]

kryogenix, you fail Embarrassingly because you some how can't see the point. Men and women have there own qualities. Even on a individual scale, the man to the left isn't the same as the man to the right, simple.

And you fail for once again admitting that men and women are different but equal. Talk about self ownage...

But overall when you add it all up, there equal. It's amusing you couldn't see something that simple. Oh well, life goes on.

Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about. Everyone is equally entitled, but men and women are two different fish. You wanna know what's amusing? Your attitude of false bravado.

There's a reason why there are more female gymnasts and male weightlifters. There's a reason why more often than not men are military leaders and women are nurses.

Not to mention no one gives a shit in this debate if it all adds up in the end and they're equal. If you don't have the capacity to understand this, fine, for arguments' sake, I'll agree that men and women have different qualities but are equal in the end. However that means shit when you have a job, because jobs have this thing called specialization. No one gives a shit how well you can sew if your job is to lift heavy concrete blocks every day. No one gives a shit if you can carry heavy concrete blocks every day if your job is to sew pants.

So to summarize:

1) You aren't even on topic on what we're arguing about here (equal wages in jobs)
2) You tell me I fail even though you randomly capitalize words in the middle of sentences
3) You tell me I fail even though you're absolutely wrong
4) You got owned big time, not only by me, but by yourself
5) Go play in your garden or something kid, this isn't for you.

But hey, apparently your philosophy is to lie to yourself and to others about abilities to make you/them feel good, so I'm going to be pessimistic and predict you're going to keep on arguing.

[Mystic Eyes]

Kryogenix you say i'm totally wrong and all that other jazz, what's that got to do with this debate...nothing. You give no real reasons, heh. Calm down, I can't believe your actually get worked up over something like this.

Oh and wrong again on soo many levels, i'm not arguing, simply debating and apparently you have no idea about my philosophy so lets not go there.

Anyways I agree about the jobs specializations suited for each gender. But it doesn't matter if for example both a man and woman are doing the same job. Both should get paid equally.

[*kryogenix*]

Kryogenix you say i'm totally wrong and all that other jazz, what's that got to do with this debate...nothing.

Are you f**king serious?

You give no real reasons, heh. Calm down, I can't believe your actually get worked up over something like this.

You must be new around here.

Oh and wrong again on soo many levels, i'm not arguing, simply debating and apparently you have no idea about my philosophy so lets not go there.

Wow. Just wow.

You. Garden. Now.

Anyways I agree about the jobs specializations suited for each gender. But it doesn't matter if for example both a man and woman are doing the same job. Both should get paid equally.

No they shouldn't. They should get paid whatever the company thinks they are worth to them. If that's not enough for them, renegotiate the contract or find another company to work for. If their services are that necessary, then they'll get the wage they want. But clearly their services aren't worth it, or the women just don't want it enough to go through the trouble.

[Simba]

Discussion on the topic's great, but if you want to continue to talk about who fails and what not, take it to the PMs. Or at least, don't continue here.

[Mystic Eyes]

No they shouldn't. They should get paid whatever the company thinks they are worth to them. If that's not enough for them, renegotiate the contract or find another company to work for. If their services are that necessary, then they'll get the wage they want. But clearly their services aren't worth it, or the women just don't want it enough to go through the trouble.

No, it's not whatever the company thinks since each company has to work to a certain guideline and regulation put forth by the government. So they can't just pay them whatever they want. Besides the government is trying to reach a more level ground when it comes to wages. Although ability to do the job right and to the company's required standard is an factor in a persons annual wage.

You. Garden. Now.

How about you growing some balls and start acting mature.

[Simba]

How about you growing some balls and start acting mature.

Discussion on the topic's great, but if you want to continue to talk about who fails and what not, take it to the PMs. Or at least, don't continue here.

Discussion on the topic's great, but if you want to continue to talk about who fails and what not, take it to the PMs. Or at least, don't continue here.

Discussion on the topic's great, but if you want to continue to talk about who fails and what not, take it to the PMs. Or at least, don't continue here.

Discussion on the topic's great, but if you want to continue to talk about who fails and what not, take it to the PMs. Or at least, don't continue here.