Gun Control, Not just the VT shooting. Options

[Simba]

So, after the school shooting at Virginia Tech, the problem of gun control in America presents itself again.

Should gun control in America (or anywhere else in the world, or even the whole world) be tightened? Or even completely banned? But then some would say that would be unconstitutional. Maybe gun control should even be looser? Discuss it.

[*kryogenix*]

So you think that person who killed 33 people in Virginia was a lawful citizen who absolutely deserved the gun he got? That he should have gotten the gun because he had the right to? People buy guns to USE them. And he wasn't a criminal - he was mentally unstable. Had the law been stricter, maybe those 32 wouldn't have died.

He WAS a lawful citizen.

I know people in Europe DO have guns. But you wouldn't see many highschoolers or college kids swaying them around. The people who own guns have most often gone through a long process to obtain them. Most people don't like that.

Pop Quiz, where was this picture taken, Europe or America?

This might come as a shock, but I actually know that Virginia is in the U.S. OH MY!!!

And do you know that European laws don't apply to the United States? It's hilarious how you guys are saying the constitution is wrong, Europe this, Europe that, when we're talking about Virginia here. And even if it was relevant, the funniest part is you're still wrong.

My dad, uncle and grandfather had guns. It's nothing new to me. I just think it's unnecessary if you don't really need it. How many times have you been attacked? And how many times have guns been used just for the purpose of killing (and not self-defense)? Guns are made for one purpose only: to take away a life.

Except that sometimes, taking that life is justified. Hunting. Defense. Justified use of a weapon.

They're called car accidents for a reason :) And I don't think somebody will be randomly shooting at me for no reason in Canada. This is one of the reasons I actually like living here.

Irrelevant. An accident makes something just as dangerous as if it was used intentionally.

I wonder why guns are illegal at your school. That's a hard one.

Your point is?

I don't need the freedom to shoot 32 people, thanks.

You fail. No one is asking for the freedom to shoot 32 people, this just shows you can't comprehend that guns are just tools and not possessed demonic murder machines.

You're missing my point. All I'm saying is that guns should be harder to get. I've heard that in some places in the U.S. you don't even need a license. That's such a wise decision. Absolutely amazing. Let psychos own guns, man. There's nothing wrong with that, eh?

So you don't even know the laws, yet you're complaining about them? Awesome.

[Gypsy Eyes]

I don't agree with banning them, but there should be a uniform law. It's much easier to get a gun in places such as virginia, texas and florida. I'm not sure how it is in other states, but in new york a background check is done before anyone can purchase a legal gun. Other states should implement this policy.

[kimmytree]

Eh, I'm not completely for Gun Control, but something definately needs to be done. I think in order for someone to own a gun, they should have to have a completely clean background, and have a mental evaluation every couple of years. Also, I think we need to carefully monitor who actually has one. And obviously, there should be a waiting period when purchasing a gun.

I think those things would prevent most spur of the moment shootings. With gun laws how they are now, anyone can get mad all of a sudden, grab a gun, and shoot someone. But with stricter laws, such a person wouldnt have one in their posession, and definately wouldnt be able to purchase one right away... unless it was illegally. By the time the person actually got the gun, they would have calmed down, and most likely wouldnt end up hurting anyone. Of course that wouldnt stop someone who had been plotting a shooting, but it would prevent spur of the moment ones.

But like I already said, if someone is mentally sane, has a gun license, and has a clean background, then they have every right to own a gun... whether its for hunting or protection.

[misoshiru]

Pop Quiz, where was this picture taken, Europe or America?

Definitely Europe. America doesn't have Orangina bottles like that.

[Joss-eh-lime]

there needs to be stricter laws. And guns in homes need to be locked up

but i still believe if someone is bent on obtaining a gun, he//she will get it.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

I don't think we should ban them as a whole, per say, but buying a 9mm and bunch of ammunition? He certianly wasn't going to go hunting animals.

[kimmytree]

^ That's true. Maybe limit people to purchasing hand guns? I mean, why the heck would a person need to own a machine gun for self protection? lol.

[*kryogenix*]

I don't think we should ban them as a whole, per say, but buying a 9mm and bunch of ammunition? He certianly wasn't going to go hunting animals.

^ That's true. Maybe limit people to purchasing hand guns? Why would a person need to own a machine gun for self protection?

My head just exploded.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

Well, I live in the country. We have guns. I'm not mentally instable, so it's not like I'm going to go get a gun and go shoot someone. You need a license to hunt. Someone could easily take a hunting gun and go kill someone. In Weston a boy took a gun to school and killed his principle; he got the gun from his own home. I don't think someone should be able to just stroll into a pawn shop and buy a glock. Around here, you have to go through a bigger proccess than just throwing some change on the counter in exchange for a gun and ammunition. I deffinately think they should do a background check and make sure that you have some knowledge about guns, for your own safety.

Then again, this is coming from someone who has a gun in their signature, haha.

[Simba]

^ That's true. Maybe limit people to purchasing hand guns? I mean, why the heck would a person need to own a machine gun for self protection? lol.

Automatic and "assault" weapons are already banned in America.

[kimmytree]

Well, I live in the country. We have guns. I'm not mentally instable, so it's not like I'm going to go get a gun and go shoot someone. You need a license to hunt. Someone could easily take a hunting gun and go kill someone. In Weston a boy took a gun to school and killed his principle; he got the gun from his own home. I don't think someone should be able to just stroll into a pawn shop and buy a glock. Around here, you have to go through a bigger proccess than just throwing some change on the counter in exchange for a gun and ammunition. I deffinately think they should do a background check and make sure that you have some knowledge about guns, for your own safety.

Then again, this is coming from someone who has a gun in their signature, haha.

I live in Florida... and from what I hear, its one of the easiest states to get a gun. That's true, someone could use a hunting gun for something other than hunting... but there's no way we could take guns away from hunters. So I guess we're always going to have some problems.

Maybe a person should have to have a special license to own/operate a gun? Like have to take a gun saftey course or something? But then again, that probably wouldnt do much.

My head just exploded.

I was being sarcastic.

Automatic and "assault" weapons are already banned in America.

Really? I figured machine guns would be, but I wasnt sure about other guns.

[*WHIMSICAL 0NE*]

Maybe we should just work harder to get the crazy people on lockdown instead of the guns.

[Simba]

Maybe a person should have to have a special license to own/operate a gun? Like have to take a gun saftey course or something? But then again, that probably wouldnt do much.

Since 1968.

[fameONE]

Here's a better question...

Is there any need for stricter gun control if people are as responsible as they should be?

[Simba]

Well, it soon becomes apparent that guns are not the problem; people are the problem.

In other words, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

I just love how over two out six people in Switzerland own guns (even automatics) and their gun crime rate is so low that they don't even need to keep the statistics anymore. Guns are practically part of their culture, but there, guns are not seen as "evil." They're seen as tools to defend their country.

Whatever they're trying over there is definitely working.

[*kryogenix*]

See, this is what I'm talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo

People who want gun control will want all this legislation and not know what they're banning.

[pandamonium]

i didnt really read that many of the above posts. kind of skimmed

I think there should be two way to prevent this kind of incident.

For gun control, i think with so many angry kids especially in america there should a limit for one gun per year and a very tough process to get your hands on a gun. Why would a regular person need a silent gun or an automatic (dont know too much about guns) ? a hand gun would be fine for protection.

But for those who enjoy shooting as a hobby and like to hunt, there should be restricted rules in keeping their guns at home. like a vault or something that is required to be purchased in order to keep a gun/shotgun.

Psychological prevention.

For Cho Seung Hui, he wasnt crazy as many people were saying. There is a difference, he was either Psychotic or a Psychopath. Psychotic is when they are truly crazy and dont have a grasp of the real world. Psychopaths know reality and just have a desire that is aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.

He was just a very angry person, if he had atleast one bestfriend he would of been fine.

We could of prevented something in some ways but he was a regular person with insane motives. Its like saying we could of prevented him from thinking.

[cori-catastrophe]

there should be a limit, but not a banning. some people are responsible with guns and use them for reasonable reasons so why would there be a need to take theirs guns when they are doing no wrong with them?
not to mention, the people who use them such as the guy at vt still have ways of getting them. drugs are illegal but does that stop people from purchasing them from the street and using them? no. so how would it change anything dramatically with guns?
however, i do think that the rules applying to guns should be stricter.

[*kryogenix*]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=55288

City A tells every household to keep at least one gun. Result: No murders in 25 years.

City B bans guns completely. Result: Crime rate rises.

[*Podomaht*]

Canada is one gun tootin' country and yet deaths related to guns are extremely low.

It's not the fact that guns are the problem. It's basically the fear that media instills on American people. If you go to Canada and watch the news, it's rather mundane with no shootings and crime rate statistics.

Only in AmeriKKKa.

[*kryogenix*]

Why would a regular person need a silent gun or an automatic (dont know too much about guns) ? a hand gun would be fine for protection.

Why would a regular person need a BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari, etc? A toyota would be fine to get from point a to point b.

Why would a regular person need cigarettes? Why would a regular person need beer? Why would a regular person need anything?

The best part is, none of that is protected under the constitution, yet guns are more heavily regulated.

[*Podomaht*]

[Jinny]

Gun control should definitely be tightened. In Virginia, they restrict customers to buying one gun a month. Isn't that really dangerous? So, if you don't have a criminal record, you could purchase 24 guns in two years.

[Time magazine:] Cho bought his first gun in February then waited until March. He followed all relevant federal and Virginia laws when he bought the two semiautomatic pistols he used in his rampage. He had proper identification and no criminal record, so the purchases were approved.

Getting a gun is so easy these days. All you need is proper identification.

[Amaranthus]

In my opinon...I REALLY think firearms should be COMPLETELY banned from public use and ownership.Its very apparent that we can't be trusted to own then w/o going on all a killimg spree. SO many lives have ended b/c of them. BUT..since its unethical to eliminate to all firearms in America...I think guns should be restricted to those who ABSOLUTELY NEED IT in order to obtain food, the authorities, and obviously the military. Hopefully, if a ban was implemented, maybe there wouldn't be so many gotdam massacres in America. I only wish other countries would take up this idea as well.