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[*Duchess of Dork*]

This is very true. Just give a few minutes to absorb.

Wanted to add this really quick -

I realize that you may not be a racist. I think the problem is that you are quoting someone (repeatedly) with a phrase that was offensive enough (and considered racist enough) to get someone in the public eye fired. With that being said, I'm not at all surprised that people would interpret your remark as such.

I do agree that the manner in which you were warned could have been communicated more effectively.

Regarding your "krnxswat." threads - I really think you could have just posted that in the "Who You Miss from cB and Why" thread. That's why it seems pointless.

I'm willing to hear what you have to say and I honestly (to go back to an earlier response) do not think you're stupid. Repeating rules shouldn't be interpreted as such.

What would you like to see happen that could make this Feedback productive? I'm willing to listen.

[*StanleyThePanda*]

Sorry to just jump back in here with this, but James.. some of them WERE spam.
Maybe not all, but atleast some.
And you know what, if people dont care what I think.. Too bad, 'cause I have the right to state my opinion anyway.

Spam:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=2528664
-That has NOTHING to do with the way the pose.. at all.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...p;#entry2528657
- How does that have ANY relevance to the topic at hand?

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...p;#entry2528628
-Not a post, but spam nonetheless.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...p;#entry2528639
-Again, nothing to do with the topic at hand. How is that a Romantic Cliche?

Shall I continue?
I think that is enough proof. And again, I think you know why you were warned.
And many have tried explaining it to you. You got warned, and the only one who doesnt see it as justified is you. It was "pointless posts", "controversy", and "personal attacks".
You know this, so.. drop it?

[*kryogenix*]

This is very true. Just give a few minutes to absorb.

Wanted to add this really quick -

I realize that you may not be a racist. I think the problem is that you are quoting someone (repeatedly) with a phrase that was offensive enough (and considered racist enough) to get someone in the public eye fired. With that being said, I'm not at all surprised that people would interpret your remark as such.

It's not my problem people are oversensitive.

I do agree that the manner in which you were warned could have been communicated more effectively.

Regarding your "krnxswat." threads - I really think you could have just posted that in the "Who You Miss from cB and Why" thread. That's why it seems pointless.

Fair point, but I doubt that's why I got warned (thought I wasn't pointed towards that thread when it was closed).

I'm willing to hear what you have to say and I honestly (to go back to an earlier response) do not think you're stupid. Repeating rules shouldn't be interpreted as such.

What would you like to see happen that could make this Feedback productive? I'm willing to listen.

I want Hakuna Matata in here to apologize or to explain why she went ahead and warned me without giving a good reason first.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=2528664
-That has NOTHING to do with the way the pose.. at all.

Someone else mentioned the people on myspace, I was just conveying my agreement.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=2528664
-That has NOTHING to do with the way the pose.. at all.

Someone asked about Seon Ho, I said what I thought he was up to these days.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...p;#entry2528628
-Not a post, but spam nonetheless.

Entertaining the speculation about Seon Ho's new hairstyle.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...p;#entry2528639
-Again, nothing to do with the topic at hand. How is that a Romantic Cliche?

You ever watch the Disney Channel?

I don't think people had a problem with my post. My posts did not change the threads into huge spam fests. That poo thread is more pointless than my posts.

lol using the bandwagon argument. You can do better than that.

No, I'm not dropping it until I get an apology or a valid explanation.

[HakunaMatata]

I want Hakuna Matata in here to apologize or to explain why she went ahead and warned me without giving a good reason first.

No, I'm not dropping it until I get an apology or a valid explanation.

An explanation? Sure.

It is my fault for not giving that good reason first. You're right on that point, I should've been much more clear when verbally warning and warning you.

However, I did not make a mistake when warning you. Very few of your "nappy headed ho" posts were at all relevent. Most of them were had nothing or very little to do with the topic at hand, thus qualifying them as pointless posts:

POINTLESS POSTS
To enhance the experience of these forums, please do not post just for the sake of posts counts. We care more about what you say than how many times you can hit the "add reply" button. This includes repeated posts (even in different threads), and anything unrelevant to the topic at hand.

The Seon Ho topics you made were also pointless and unnecessary.

It's not my problem people are oversensitive.

It's not, but why does it take an over-sensitive person to be offended by the words "nappy headed hos"? Why do you think Imus was fired? Those words are offensive, even if they weren't directed at a single race.

[*kryogenix*]

It is my fault for not giving that good reason first. You're right on that point, I should've been much more clear when verbally warning and warning you.

Yeah you really dropped the ball on that one.

However, I did not make a mistake when warning you. Very few of your "nappy headed ho" posts were at all relevent. Most of them were had nothing or very little to do with the topic at hand, thus qualifying them as pointless posts

O RLY? Quote them and I'll explain them.

It's not, but why does it take an over-sensitive person to be offended by the words "nappy headed hos"? Why do you think Imus was fired? Those words are offensive, even if they weren't directed at a single race.

Imus was fired because his sponsors bailed. Why do you think Howard Stern doesn't get fired even though he says stuff ten times as worse?

If you want to say it's offensive, then close all hip hop topics pertaining to songs that contain offensive lyrics.

[*kryogenix*]

bump

[*kryogenix*]

really i wanna know.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

It's not my problem people are oversensitive.

I know it's not your problem, but the Controversy Rule exists for a reason. Sure, it's unfortunate that some people may get offended when no harm was intended, but we need to at least make an attempt at being somewhat considerate. The first time you said something, fine, you didn't know. But the second, third, fourth and so on, you did know. And by intentionally continuing to say something that you knew would upset people, you are not only breaking the Controversy Rule, you're breaking the Personal Attacks Rule.

Fair point, but I doubt that's why I got warned (thought I wasn't pointed towards that thread when it was closed).

Actually it is. However, you are right. I did not reference the link the first time. I did, however, link it the second time I closed the thread.

PS - I'm sorry to keep linking rules. As a disclaimer, I'm not insulting your intelligence, it's just easier for me to organize my thoughts in posts that way.

[*kryogenix*]

I know it's not your problem, but the Controversy Rule exists for a reason. Sure, it's unfortunate that some people may get offended when no harm was intended, but we need to at least make an attempt at being somewhat considerate. The first time you said something, fine, you didn't know. But the second, third, fourth and so on, you did know. And by intentionally continuing to say something that you knew would upset people, you are not only breaking the Controversy Rule, you're breaking the Personal Attacks Rule.

Very few people had a problem with it. Show me in the topics where pages and pages of people were complaining like they do in other topics that are closed due to controversy.

Go look in debate, people said much more offensive things back when I posted there and no one was warned, but then again, that's when we had a competent moderating team and a great community back then.

Actually it is. However, you are right. I did not reference the link the first time. I did, however, link it the second time I closed the thread.

PS - I'm sorry to keep linking rules. As a disclaimer, I'm not insulting your intelligence, it's just easier for me to organize my thoughts in posts that way.

So it shouldn't have been held against me, since I didn't make another krnxswat thread after the fact.

I'm still offended and I demand you stop telling me what the rules are. I don't want you to start controversy ya know.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

Well, I don't recall saying more than a few people or otherwise. I said that some people were offended. Either way, you wanted a response and I obliged you with one.

Sorry that you feel that the moderators are incompetent and that the community is no longer great.

You weren't warned for those threads I closed, I merely closed them. If you'd like I can edit the post in which I closed the first thread. I'd rather leave it intact though, since essentially the link should have been posted and lesson learned, example made.

"Demanding" aside, if I think that you have broken a rule, I will site the rule that I believe you have broken. I didn't post the rules verbatim in my most recent response, I linked them. I'm not sure why you are offended by that. But since you are, it'll cease (which would have happened anyway, since for my part, there's nothing more I can say other than that which I have said).

We disagree, and that is all there is to it.

[*kryogenix*]

Well, I don't recall saying more than a few people or otherwise. I said that some people were offended. Either way, you wanted a response and I obliged you with one.

Oh, so now it only takes a few people to get offended before something is deemed warn-worthy?

Sorry that you feel that the moderators are incompetent and that the community is no longer great.

You're assuming again.

You weren't warned for those threads I closed, I merely closed them. If you'd like I can edit the post in which I closed the first thread. I'd rather leave it intact though, since essentially the link should have been posted and lesson learned, example made.

My verbal warning was for racism. But my posts weren't racist, so why did it progress further without clarifying with me first?

"Demanding" aside, if I think that you have broken a rule, I will site the rule that I believe you have broken. I didn't post the rules verbatim in my most recent response, I linked them. I'm not sure why you are offended by that. But since you are, it'll cease (which would have happened anyway, since for my part, there's nothing more I can say other than that which I have said).

Good, cause I would have had to report your posts if you continued.

We disagree, and that is all there is to it.

So why did you guys have to make it a big deal?

[HakunaMatata]

James, I've already explained that I did not give enough warning nor was I clear enough on why you were warned. However, I've now explained why you were warned in earlier posts. Why have the explanations given thus far not count as "valid"? What exactly more do you want?

[*kryogenix*]

I'm disputing my guilt based on arbitrary interpretation of the rules.

[HakunaMatata]

Indeed you are, and out of that disputing you are hoping to achieve...?

[*kryogenix*]

Restoration of my warning level and official member status.

[HakunaMatata]

You repeatedly broke a rule, and you were thus warned and demoted. I understand that you don't believe that you broke a rule at all, but I stand firm that the proper punishment was enforced. Unfortunately, you cannot be convinced as such, and there's not much I can do about it.

As you know, good behavior will lower your warning level. Just two weeks. Two weeks of rule-abiding, contributory behavior and you'll be able to apply for official membership again.

[*kryogenix*]

You repeatedly broke a rule, and you were thus warned and demoted. I understand that you don't believe that you broke a rule at all, but I stand firm that the proper punishment was enforced. Unfortunately, you cannot be convinced as such, and there's not much I can do about it.

As you know, good behavior will lower your warning level. Just two weeks. Two weeks of rule-abiding, contributory behavior and you'll be able to apply for official membership again.

And yet you guys can't demonstrate where I disrupted a topic because of my posts.

[Simba]

Ok, James.

Since the reason for your warning here seems to be because you may have offended a few people, would you rather see the people who felt offended from your statements testify here?

[*kryogenix*]

I don't care if they were offended. That's their problem. Anyone can get offended over anything.

I want Hakuna Matata to explain herself instead of dodging this.

[Simba]

What else does Kaycee need to say for herself? She's admitted that she should have provided more details when initially warning you, but it's been established here that you were warned specifically for the Controversy rule which supposedly broke into the Personal Attacks rule.

So actually, the people being offended seems quite your problem.

[*kryogenix*]

So then why was I warned for the controversy rule when the verbal warning applied to the racism?

[Simba]

Well supposedly the phrase "nappy headed hos" has recently become controversial because of Don Imus's use (during a racially charged discussion) of "nappy headed hos" referring to the Rutgers University women's basketball team.

[*kryogenix*]

Except in the context I used it, it was not racist.

[Simba]

But because of recent controversy, it has been considered racist.

I see what you're saying though; if this happened before Imus used the phrase, I bet you wouldn't even have gotten warned.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

Did that particular comment of Imus' stir up Controversy? Yes, or no? Honestly now. I won't start quoting rules again since a) you know them and b) you don't care if you offend people or not. You've even said that it isn't your problem.

You keep going from one thing to another. First you say you that it isn't your problem if people are sensitive, then you demand proof?

Please. You're a smart enough guy. You knew very well what you were doing. You just didn't care. You didn't think anyone would warn you. I don't know why you feel exempt from this.

Your warning level isn't going to get lowered. I'm sorry, but deal with it. Wait two weeks.

You've said your piece (again and again) here and you've made your complaint in the Mod Feedback thread.

I support Kaycee in her warning. I did, however, tell her that she should be more clear next time when she warns.

If it makes you feel better to keep this alive, then so beit. You're not doing it for the Community, you're doing it for yourself. You've said yourself, the community was great "back then."

By the way:

You're assuming again.

Go look in debate, people said much more offensive things back when I posted there and no one was warned, but then again, that's when we had a competent moderating team and a great community back then.

Assuming am I?