Creation or Evolution?, Which do you believe in? Options

[Simba]

Well, the Bible was put together from scriptures that were found and thought to be old and they also have a shroud in display that they tested that was said to have existed around the same time as Jesus, it fits the Bible so they did prove that Jesus did exist and the cloth proves it, it also proved his crusifixtion. Other then that, that's all the proof there is right now. The thing that annoys me the most though is people are ALWAYS wanting proof when it's right there, the scrolls and the cloth. What more proof do you need? What would be proof to you? If it's God standing in front of you saying "It's real, it's true, I'm God" your never going to get that except maybe on your judgement day when it's too late. I mean if they find another piece of evidence are you going to deny that as evidence too? Sorry, it just frustrates me when people are like: "I want proof proof proof" even though proof was handed to them on a silver platter, the bible, the scrolls, the cloth, Jesus himself who did miracles in front of people's eyes 2,000 years ago or so and they still didn't believe it. Sometimes believing isn't always seeing. And from what I hear they are searching for the holy grail which is the cup that caught Jesus' blood.

Because I have proof supporting more authoritative and accurate scriptures. Why can't the Bible?

[kimmytree]

First of all, dang your quick. LOL.

Anyways, it says in the Bible the only way to the Father is through Jesus who is in fact God. I was always taught that if you believe in God and believed that Jesus is the son of God then you will make it to Heaven but you also have to abide by the commandments, try not to sin and also be baptised in Jesus' name to see the Kingdom of God.

I think it's great that these people follow most of the story but the thing they are failing is believing that Jesus isn't God and that's bad because the Bible clearly states that he is God. I am not saying that person will go to Heaven as I am quite unsure but I don't honestly think that would count because if they don't believe that Jesus is God they are denying God's Word because it says it in the Bible clearly. But like I said I really don't know who goes to Heaven and who doesn't..I am not God and only God can judge a person, I am just going off of what the scripture says.

I was actually surprised you said Jews believe in the same God as Christians because I was always taught by my old church that Jews have totally different beliefs than Christians.



True. God doesn't control our decisions, he gives us options such as an example "Heaven or Hell"...we make the decisions.

Lol yeah, probably too quick.

You ought to check this site out, it explains alot.

http://www.gotquestions.org/difference-Chr...ty-Judaism.html

Basically, as far as I know, the only difference between Judaism and Christianity is Jesus Christ. Same God, ect ect. Yes, their beliefs are different, but they are very similar.

Christianity - Jesus = Judaism.

As far as salvation goes, Deuteronomy 7:6-8 says: “For you are a holy people unto the LORD your God: the LORD your God hath chosen you to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because you were more in number than any people; for you were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers…”

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Well, the Bible was put together from scriptures that were found and thought to be old and they also have a shroud in display that they tested that was said to have existed around the same time as Jesus, it fits the Bible so they did prove that Jesus did exist and the cloth proves it, it also proved his crusifixtion. Other then that, that's all the proof there is right now. The thing that annoys me the most though is people are ALWAYS wanting proof when it's right there, the scrolls and the cloth. What more proof do you need? What would be proof to you? If it's God standing in front of you saying "It's real, it's true, I'm God" your never going to get that except maybe on your judgement day when it's too late. I mean if they find another piece of evidence are you going to deny that as evidence too? Sorry, it just frustrates me when people are like: "I want proof proof proof" even though proof was handed to them on a silver platter, the bible, the scrolls, the cloth, Jesus himself who did miracles in front of people's eyes 2,000 years ago or so and they still didn't believe it. Sometimes believing isn't always seeing. And from what I hear they are searching for the holy grail which is the cup that caught Jesus' blood.

The shroud of Turin's testing gave as a result dates between XIIIth and XIVth centuries, although the shroud was restored in 1532 as a result of a fire. The cloth has been restored again in 2002 despite tests ranging from radiocarbon dating to analysis of Bacteria still place the shroud's age somewhere between the XIIIth and XIVth century.

The Septuagint and the Tanakh, if that is what you are talking about, prove the Bible's origins are distant in time. Hammurabi's Code is about 1800 years older than anything included in the Bible. Following that logic, then, we can conclude that Hammurabi's Code is the true word of God by "chronological might".

As per the miracles, lets not forget that the people who witnessed them also believed that the stars in the sky were carts on fire, so I wouldn't be too optimistic about that piece of "evidence" either.

The need for proof is for the people who don't stand for any dogma, or that have an opposite set of dogmatic views, obviously.

[sweetangel2128]

Lol yeah, probably too quick.

You ought to check this site out, it explains alot.

http://www.gotquestions.org/difference-Chr...ty-Judaism.html

Basically, as far as I know, the only difference between Judaism and Christianity is Jesus Christ. Same God, ect ect. Yes, their beliefs are different, but they are very similar.

Christianity - Jesus = Judaism.

As far as salvation goes, Deuteronomy 7:6-8 says: “For you are a holy people unto the LORD your God: the LORD your God hath chosen you to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because you were more in number than any people; for you were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers…”

Awesome article, I enjoyed reading it. So basically, just like you said Judaism and Christianity are almost 100% the same except of course "Jesus Christ". Thing is in that article which I read the whole thing it mentioned how in one of the scriptures Jesus was asked if he was the Messiah and he answered with "I Am". While Judaism doesn't believe Jesus was God..thing is the Bible (all versions), scrolls that were found he says he is the Messiah and it even says that God came into the world in the flesh which means Jesus so Judaism would be wrong on that part. As for if they go to Hell, I am not sure all I know is if they deny Jesus they are denying God because Jesus IS God.

It's kinda like Jehovah's Witness's...they believe in a God...but they believe that angel Michael is the Messiah not Jesus, they believed that Jesus was a prophet/teacher. At least that's what I heard.

Good verse you gave me. But why'd you post it? lol.

The shroud of Turin's testing gave as a result dates between XIIIth and XIVth centuries, although the shroud was restored in 1532 as a result of a fire. The cloth has been restored again in 2002 despite tests ranging from radiocarbon dating to analysis of Bacteria still place the shroud's age somewhere between the XIIIth and XIVth century.

The Septuagint and the Tanakh, if that is what you are talking about, prove the Bible's origins are distant in time. Hammurabi's Code is about 1800 years older than anything included in the Bible. Following that logic, then, we can conclude that Hammurabi's Code is the true word of God by "chronological might".

As per the miracles, lets not forget that the people who witnessed them also believed that the stars in the sky were carts on fire, so I wouldn't be too optimistic about that piece of "evidence" either.

The need for proof is for the people who don't stand for any dogma, or that have an opposite set of dogmatic views, obviously.

So let me get this straight, in order for you to believe in God and the Bible you'd have to see proof given from someone who doesn't believe in God or is not a Christian for you to believe it? That's judgemental if that's what your saying. I mean why not hear it from someone who is a Christian, it's like your saying you think Christian's lie. I don't lie.

Most of your post really confused me, please use more easy to read terms and explain it to me again.

As for the shroud, it's been tested twice, once was back in the 80's I think or before that but the testing was wrong because apparently the part they tested was coming from the midievel times which was actually sowed onto the cloth so when they retested it, they tested the other parts of the shroud and it came out accurate.

[kimmytree]

Good verse you gave me. But why'd you post it? lol.

Because in it, Jesus is supposedly reffering to the Jewish people, promising them salvation... because he would never break his promise.

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So let me get this straight, in order for you to believe in God and the Bible you'd have to see proof given from someone who doesn't believe in God or is not a Christian for you to believe it? That's judgemental if that's what your saying. I mean why not hear it from someone who is a Christian, it's like your saying you think Christian's lie. I don't lie.

It doesn't have to do with anything I have said at all.

Most of your post really confused me, please use more easy to read terms and explain it to me again.

As for the shroud, it's been tested twice, once was back in the 80's I think or before that but the testing was wrong because apparently the part they tested was coming from the midievel times which was actually sowed onto the cloth so when they retested it, they tested the other parts of the shroud and it came out accurate.

I can't use any easier to read terms because I merely named each thing by its original name. I can call the Shroud of Turin "some italian rag" but I don't how this is going to help any. The other two uncommon words I have used are the actual names of the oldest manuscripts included in the Bible, not a big secret.

The Code of Hammurabi is simply an even older text that I used to test your premise that "older means godlier".

[sweetangel2128]

Because in it, Jesus is supposedly reffering to the Jewish people, promising them salvation... because he would never break his promise.

Oh okay I see what your saying. Wasn't Jesus himself a Jew also? I am not sure but that's what I heard anyway.

[kimmytree]

^ Yes, he definately was. In the Old Testament, people of the Jewish faith are promised eternal life. But then after Jesus' death, and the writting of the New Testament, they're pretty much damned. They dont believe God's law ever changes.

[sweetangel2128]

^ Yes, he definately was. In the Old Testament, people of the Jewish faith are promised eternal life. But then after Jesus' death, and the writting of the New Testament, they're pretty much damned. They dont believe God's law ever changes.

God's Law doesn't change. It will always be his laws and he doesn't change them.

[Kontroll]

God's Law doesn't change. It will always be his laws and he doesn't change them.

Actually it did sort of change. Sorry to tell you.

In the Old Testament, people sacrificed animals in order to clean their sins away.

That representation was the precursor to the New Testament's teaching of Jesus' death as being the sacrificial offering. Which now we ask for Him to come into our hearts and believe in Him.

But the question is...Did sacrificing animals make it possible for people during the Old Testament acceptable to enter into Heaven?

[kimmytree]

^ I dont think animal sacrifices were required for salvation. I'm pretty sure if a person believed in the Jewish faith, then they were saved / going to Heaven. Some Jews believe if you're Jewish by blood, then you'll automatically go to Heaven - no matter what you believe. But then some believe all people are going.

[Kontroll]

Well, you're right. THey weren't required, but God did ask for them.

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God's Law doesn't change. It will always be his laws and he doesn't change them.

Do you by any chance eat shellfish or wear clothes made of two different fabrics?

[kimmytree]

^ Is that not allowed according to the Bible?

[sweetangel2128]

Actually it did sort of change. Sorry to tell you.

In the Old Testament, people sacrificed animals in order to clean their sins away.

That representation was the precursor to the New Testament's teaching of Jesus' death as being the sacrificial offering. Which now we ask for Him to come into our hearts and believe in Him.

But the question is...Did sacrificing animals make it possible for people during the Old Testament acceptable to enter into Heaven?

Sacrificing has been done in the Bible but the only two things I know about that right now is one Abraham sacrificing his son which God stopped him from doing cause he saw how Faithful Abraham was. The other thing I know about is that someone had sacrificed a lamb to God which is why Jesus is called - The Lamb of God.

And I know sacrificing isn't important for your salvation. Sometimes God puts us through trials to test our faiths, he would never allow us to sacrifice something for him, kinda like the whole Abraham thing, he wanted him to sacrifice his son, he almost did but when God saw how Faithful he was, he stopped him.

^ I dont think animal sacrifices were required for salvation. I'm pretty sure if a person believed in the Jewish faith, then they were saved / going to Heaven. Some Jews believe if you're Jewish by blood, then you'll automatically go to Heaven - no matter what you believe. But then some believe all people are going.

No, of course not. The only thing that is important for salvation is your love for God, repenting, getting filled with the Holy Ghost and getting baptised and trying to go away from sin. Try to be righteous. That's what gets you to Heaven not sacrifice.

But God does put you through trials to test your Faith which is why I brought up Abraham's story.

Do you by any chance eat shellfish or wear clothes made of two different fabrics?

I've actually never had shellfish. I wear what I feel is appropriate not based on fabrics

^ Is that not allowed according to the Bible?

It doesn't say anything about that, I think he was trying to put me down but I'm not sure however, it says in the Bible somewhere about women not cutting their hair but men have to. My friend Jess told me about that because she said most pentecostals don't dye their hair or cut it. So they have REALLY long hair.

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I've actually never had shellfish. I wear what I feel is appropriate not based on fabrics

Then you don't know what the Leviticus is .

[kimmytree]

It doesn't say anything about that, I think he was trying to put me down but I'm not sure however, it says in the Bible somewhere about women not cutting their hair but men have to. My friend Jess told me about that because she said most pentecostals don't dye their hair or cut it. So they have REALLY long hair.

Woah, I didnt realize that was a Penecostal thing. I know a few girls who are Penecostal, and they and their families all cut and dye their hair. Maybe its just more conservative ones that dont?

[sweetangel2128]

Woah, I didnt realize that was a Penecostal thing. I know a few girls who are Penecostal, and they and their families all cut and dye their hair. Maybe its just more conservative ones that dont?

Not all Pentacostals do it, I see myself as being Pentacostal and I still dye and cut my hair, well actually I decided to stop, not because of my religion but just cause I'm tired of it lol. But yeah a lot of pentacostals don't do those sorts of things but not all of them are like that. My friend Jess & I are both Pentacostals and we do those things.

[kimmytree]

Oh wow, I never knew that! That's interesting.

[sweetangel2128]

Oh wow, I never knew that! That's interesting.

I actually never knew it either until I met her because before I never had a label I just said Christian since I attended a non-denominational church. But yeah you learn new things everyday lmao.

[*yrrnotelekktric*]

evolution, hands down.

[sweetangel2128]

evolution, hands down.

Why evolution? Explain!

[illriginal]

It's not one or the other, it's both.

[*steve330*]

KABOOM

[NoSex]

You're all idiots.
How unfair is that?