Jesus, God's son. Options

[Kontroll]

The big bang? I think scientists consider that in the beginning there was only energy, and everything emerged from there. It's a possibility, considering that the earth is billions of years old.
Newsflash: for scientists, it's a fact. Because there is proof =) Actual, visible proof.

I honestly don't give a damn about your second question, because god ain't real. Not for me anyway. Don't worry about me, and please, PLEASE don't waste your time praying for me (you wouldn't BELIEVE the number of people who have offered to do that). And sorry I blew up on you - I had a previous account with some idiot who basically said my uncle deserved what he got and after that I wanted to kill him with my bare hands. A fundamentalist =)

Seriously, I have one question...How did the energy get there in the first place?

The big bang theory would never work. explosions don't cause order, they cause disorder.

[sweetangel2128]

Seriously, I have one question...How did the energy get there in the first place?

God of course

[AngelinaTaylor]

Seriously, I have one question...How did the energy get there in the first place?

The big bang theory would never work. explosions don't cause order, they cause disorder.

And you think you have enough knowledge to explain this and/or claim it as impossible? I don't think so.. IMO the energy was always there.

Before you jump on me that this is impossible - nothing's impossible. How did god get there? Supposedly, he was always there, right?

Heather:

"The Theory of Evolution is the theory of how this works, not the idea itself. I know this is hard to believe because every idiot on the planet has been screaming, "It's just a theory" since this whole stupid mess started but it is in fact the truth. The mechanism most often accepted as the most viable one for the process of evolution is Natural Selection. This is the theory part, but don't let the word theory fool you (a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena. Nothing in that definition about that being an inadequate thing). There is tons of evidence of this and I can give you a modern, common example straight from the front page of your newspaper. There are now strains of malaria that are completely resistant to all modern cures, some of which were only developed ten years ago. This is a perfect example of Natural Selection because these strains of malaria resisted our drugs and survived to spread their genes while the others died off. Because of this the species has changed slightly, giving it resistance and making the species more likely to survive. This is all natural selection is, a reaction to the environment that allows better chances of survival and thus better chances that this trait is passed on. Now imagine this taking place over millions of years, over endless expanses of time, think of the change possible. That is the theory. "

=)

I'm sorry for your stepdad. And as I said, you can believe anything you want. It won't make it a fact. Oh yeah, and god is just a "theory" too.

[sweetangel2128]

And you think you have enough knowledge to explain this and/or claim it as impossible? I don't think so.. IMO the energy was always there.

Before you jump on me that this is impossible - nothing's impossible. How did god get there? Supposedly, he was always there, right?

Heather:

"The Theory of Evolution is the theory of how this works, not the idea itself. I know this is hard to believe because every idiot on the planet has been screaming, "It's just a theory" since this whole stupid mess started but it is in fact the truth. The mechanism most often accepted as the most viable one for the process of evolution is Natural Selection. This is the theory part, but don't let the word theory fool you (a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena. Nothing in that definition about that being an inadequate thing). There is tons of evidence of this and I can give you a modern, common example straight from the front page of your newspaper. There are now strains of malaria that are completely resistant to all modern cures, some of which were only developed ten years ago. This is a perfect example of Natural Selection because these strains of malaria resisted our drugs and survived to spread their genes while the others died off. Because of this the species has changed slightly, giving it resistance and making the species more likely to survive. This is all natural selection is, a reaction to the environment that allows better chances of survival and thus better chances that this trait is passed on. Now imagine this taking place over millions of years, over endless expanses of time, think of the change possible. That is the theory. "

=)

I'm sorry for your stepdad. And as I said, you can believe anything you want. It won't make it a fact. Oh yeah, and god is just a "theory" too.

God was always there because he is powerful and well he's God so you can't really ask the same Question

The Theory of Evolution is what it says it is a "Theory".

Theory: guess or conjecture

The Evolutionist Theory is not just based on how things work as you put it but the Evolutionist Theory is in fact a Theory in Evolution that has NOT been proved hence the word "Theory" next to the word.

As for God, he is not a Theory but rather close to Fact. If he was a Theory it would be called the "God Theory" but why isn't it? Heck! Evolution has "Theory" sitting by it. God has NEVER been a Theory, the proof we have is the scrolls that were found written years ago to show us that it's not a "Theory" but a "Fact".

[kimmytree]

As for God, he is not a Theory but rather close to Fact. If he was a Theory it would be called the "God Theory" but why isn't it?

Just because something has the word "theory" in it, doesnt make it a theory. And just something DOESNT have the word "theory" in it, doesnt automatically make it true.

Since you obviously dont believe in these - what would you consider Judiasm? Hinduism? Islam? Mormanism? Theories, right?

[sweetangel2128]

Just because something has the word "theory" in it, doesnt make it a theory. And just something DOESNT have the word "theory" in it, doesnt automatically make it true.

Since you obviously dont believe in these - what would you consider Judiasm? Hinduism? Islam? Mormanism? Theories, right?

Those are beliefs in General...I am not talking about religions but a higher power in general. And yes if it has the word "Theory" sitting next to it, it is a THEORY. Look up the word and read it for yourself. As I stated, God is not a Theory because by the scrolls it has been proven fact.

[*mipadi*]

The big bang theory would never work. explosions don't cause order, they cause disorder.

Well, really, the universe did have less order after the Big Bang. Having matter spread out willy-nilly is much less ordered than having it all clumped together in one place.

[sweetangel2128]

The big bang theory would never work. explosions don't cause order, they cause disorder.

Extremely true. I'm glad you mentioned that because I hadn't thought about it that way but your right and that's why we should believe in creation not evolution.

[*mipadi*]

Extremely true. I'm glad you mentioned that because I hadn't thought about it that way but your right and that's why we should believe in creation not evolution.

Not so. Let's break down your argument:

Let E = There was an explosion.
D = There is disorder.
B = The Big Bang occurred.
C = Creationism exists.

B -> E (If the Big Bang occurred, there was an explosion.)
E -> D (If there was an explosion, there is disorder.)
~D (There is not disorder.)
-------
B -> D (If the Big Bang occurred, there is disorder - Hypothetical Syllogism of 1, 2)
~B, QED (Thus, the Big Bang did not occur - Modus Tollens of 4,3)
C, QED (Creationism exists -- notice we cannot derive this from the propositions, thus it is not a logical conclusion!)


There's no logic to the assertion that Creationism exists (even accounting for syllogisms, which I have filled in). Assuming all the propositions are true (and I assert they are not), we are able to show that the Big Bang Theory is incorrect, but just because the Big Bang Theory is incorrect, doesn't mean that Creationism is the only other option (fallacy of false dilemma—alleging there are only two options, when really there are more than two options).

And again, I argue that the Big Bang did result in greater disorder after it occurred.

And finally, you're confusing the Theory of the Creation of the Universe with the Theory of Evolution. Proving the Big Bang Theory incorrect does not lead to an assertion that the Theory of Evolution is also incorrect.

Look, I'm fairly tolerant of religious beliefs. Frankly, I don't much care what people choose to believe, as long as it doesn't affect me. But, really—put down the Bible for a second and read up on some scientific information, especially the differences between the creation of the universe and evolution, before trying to argue the merits of each school of thought.

[Simba]

And you think you have enough knowledge to explain this and/or claim it as impossible? I don't think so.. IMO the energy was always there.

Before you jump on me that this is impossible - nothing's impossible. How did god get there? Supposedly, he was always there, right?

And in my opinion, there would still need to be a creator of the energy.

As for where'd God come from? Well you know, on top of "with every creator, there has to be a creation," there's also always the top of the pyramid, the #1.

Once there is "life" however, evolution from there is practically irrelevant once it is established that we are not any given body, but an eternal soul. Though, you gotta go one step at a time, huh.

[AngelinaTaylor]

God was always there because he is powerful and well he's God so you can't really ask the same Question

The Theory of Evolution is what it says it is a "Theory".

Theory: guess or conjecture

The Evolutionist Theory is not just based on how things work as you put it but the Evolutionist Theory is in fact a Theory in Evolution that has NOT been proved hence the word "Theory" next to the word.

As for God, he is not a Theory but rather close to Fact. If he was a Theory it would be called the "God Theory" but why isn't it? Heck! Evolution has "Theory" sitting by it. God has NEVER been a Theory, the proof we have is the scrolls that were found written years ago to show us that it's not a "Theory" but a "Fact".

Religion is not a fact, it's FAITH, hence it's called religion. You cannot prove that god exists, hence it's merely a theory.

And I honestly think scientists DO think evolution is a fact, while ACTUALLY trying to prove it wrong, just to test it. That's what I've read. Just because it has the word theory next to it, doesn't mean it's a fairy tale. Have you ever heard of fossils? Or of Lucy? Common ancestors?

A theory is a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena. Nothing in that definition about that being an inadequate thing - I'm guessing you probably missed that part. Check the dictionary yourself. I don't care if there is a god or not, evolution still occured and anthropologists such as Mary Leakey have made more than enough discoveries to back it up.

Relax. Just because evolution happened doesn't mean there isn't any god. Maybe you just need to rethink the way you think about god, that's all.

And in my opinion, there would still need to be a creator of the energy

Using that logic, then there has to be a creator of god. But I don't really believe it's necessary. Some people just can't accept the possibility of eternity, (I myself had great troubles with that a while ago), and the possibility that it might've been always there (call it god, energy, of whatever.)

[sweetangel2128]

Not so. Let's break down your argument:

Let E = There was an explosion.
D = There is disorder.
B = The Big Bang occurred.
C = Creationism exists.

B -> E (If the Big Bang occurred, there was an explosion.)
E -> D (If there was an explosion, there is disorder.)
~D (There is not disorder.)
-------
B -> D (If the Big Bang occurred, there is disorder - Hypothetical Syllogism of 1, 2)
~B, QED (Thus, the Big Bang did not occur - Modus Tollens of 4,3)
C, QED (Creationism exists -- notice we cannot derive this from the propositions, thus it is not a logical conclusion!)


There's no logic to the assertion that Creationism exists (even accounting for syllogisms, which I have filled in). Assuming all the propositions are true (and I assert they are not), we are able to show that the Big Bang Theory is incorrect, but just because the Big Bang Theory is incorrect, doesn't mean that Creationism is the only other option (fallacy of false dilemma—alleging there are only two options, when really there are more than two options).

And again, I argue that the Big Bang did result in greater disorder after it occurred.

And finally, you're confusing the Theory of the Creation of the Universe with the Theory of Evolution. Proving the Big Bang Theory incorrect does not lead to an assertion that the Theory of Evolution is also incorrect.

Look, I'm fairly tolerant of religious beliefs. Frankly, I don't much care what people choose to believe, as long as it doesn't affect me. But, really—put down the Bible for a second and read up on some scientific information, especially the differences between the creation of the universe and evolution, before trying to argue the merits of each school of thought.

If the Big Bang Theory actually exists then what created it?

Religion is not a fact, it's FAITH, hence it's called religion. You cannot prove that god exists, hence it's merely a theory.

And I honestly think scientists DO think evolution is a fact, while ACTUALLY trying to prove it wrong, just to test it. That's what I've read. Just because it has the word theory next to it, doesn't mean it's a fairy tale. Have you ever heard of fossils? Or of Lucy? Common ancestors?

A theory is a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena. Nothing in that definition about that being an inadequate thing - I'm guessing you probably missed that part. Check the dictionary yourself. I don't care if there is a god or not, evolution still occured and anthropologists such as Mary Leakey have made more than enough discoveries to back it up.

Relax. Just because evolution happened doesn't mean there isn't any god. Maybe you just need to rethink the way you think about god, that's all.
Using that logic, then there has to be a creator of god. But I don't really believe it's necessary. Some people just can't accept the possibility of eternity, (I myself had great troubles with that a while ago), and the possibility that it might've been always there (call it god, energy, of whatever.)

I am not talking about religion, I'm talking about God.

Exactly, thinking somethings fact and it actually being fact are two different things.

Yes I have heard of fossils. So if fossils exist and the dinasaurs were believed to exist, why not the Bible? It's evidence just like fossils.

Correct, so just because you believe the Bible to be false even though the proof is all around you and it's in writing doesn't mean it's not true.

[AngelinaTaylor]

If the Big Bang Theory actually exists then what created it?
I am not talking about religion, I'm talking about God.

Exactly, thinking somethings fact and it actually being fact are two different things.

Yes I have heard of fossils. So if fossils exist and the dinasaurs were believed to exist, why not the Bible? It's evidence just like fossils.

Correct, so just because you believe the Bible to be false even though the proof is all around you and it's in writing doesn't mean it's not true.

The proof that the bible is actual, literal truth is nowhere to be found BUT in the bible itself. That's simply not good enough. It doesn't make it a fact.

Dinosaurs* DID exist, they weren't just believed to exist. If you have troubles accepting THAT, then . . . wow.

P.S. I'm surprised this is all the response you're giving to mipadi's post. Really, I'm astonished. Well, not really =)

[sweetangel2128]

The proof that the bible is actual, literal truth is nowhere to be found BUT in the bible itself. That's simply not good enough. It doesn't make it a fact.

Dinosaurs* DID exist, they weren't just believed to exist. If you have troubles accepting THAT, then . . . wow.

P.S. I'm surprised this is all the response you're giving to mipadi's post. Really, I'm astonished. Well, not really =)

Where do you think the Bible originated from? They originated from Scrolls, so lets see you have scrolls, the Bible, the shroud and I believe that if you look up the roman history you'd find out some more stuff.

I never said I didn't believe in dinasaurs, I do but I believe they were created by God but before Jesus' first coming; before the Bible.

[AngelinaTaylor]

Where do you think the Bible originated from? They originated from Scrolls, so lets see you have scrolls, the Bible, the shroud and I believe that if you look up the roman history you'd find out some more stuff.

I never said I didn't believe in dinasaurs, I do but I believe they were created by God but before Jesus' first coming; before the Bible.

Hebrews wrote the bible, mostly in Egypt. And that would actually explain the similarities between what's in the bible and the Egyptian religions. I'm sure there is some truth to it, but to say that it's the ONLY and literal truth is quite ignorant.

Yeah, dinosaurs did exist before the bible - funny, though, he doesn't mention them once.

[kimmytree]

Yes I have heard of fossils. So if fossils exist and the dinasaurs were believed to exist, why not the Bible? It's evidence just like fossils.

The Bible probably has or can be proved to have existed, at least the Old Testament being around before Jesus. But just because it can be proven to have existed, doesnt mean everything in it is true. It doesnt prove who actually wrote it, that its the word of God, or that anything in it is anything more than fables.

[*mipadi*]

If the Big Bang Theory actually exists then what created it?

Good question. To be honest, I'm by no means an expert in this field; the Wikipedia article on cosmogony gives a brief overview. Then again, scientists aren't really sure what happened before the Big Bang, either.

The Big Bang itself was caused by a transition from a state of high-density matter and high energy.

However, it's worth pointing out that I am not trying to show how the Big Bang occurred, nor convince you that it occurred; my post was merely pointing out a huge flaw in your logic, i.e. your statement "The Big Bang did not occur, so we should believe in Creationism" is flat-out illogical.

[sweetangel2128]

Yeah, dinosaurs did exist before the bible - funny, though, he doesn't mention them once.

Not necessarily, someone brought up to me something and I can't remember who it was right now but that dinasaurs existed before the Bible but God could of had a different name for these creatures...the word dinasaur was created by scientists to describe them but that doesn't mean that's what they are. And it does tell us of the ark and about all the animals. It could be possible the ark could of been big enough to hold the animals..or even then since we (me and you) believe dinos were before the Bible then of course it wouldn't of happend...but my bf brought up this suggestion which I think is a very good point. Couldn't of God created dinos as his first attempt at life? And of course it failed and humans were his second attempt? Which was actually successful.

Just a thought.

The Bible probably has or can be proved to have existed, at least the Old Testament being around before Jesus. But just because it can be proven to have existed, doesnt mean everything in it is true. It doesnt prove who actually wrote it, that its the word of God, or that anything in it is anything more than fables.

Well, what about fossils, how do you know that's real? and proof? I am not saying I don't believe it, I do but I'm just making a point. Fossils yeah are visible. But did you know that people can make fossils today, it's just petrified. How do you know that those fossils are truly that old...you don't but since you see it, your assuming they were real. Well, the Bible goes the same way. It is proof just like fossils are.

Good question. To be honest, I'm by no means an expert in this field; the Wikipedia article on cosmogony gives a brief overview. Then again, scientists aren't really sure what happened before the Big Bang, either.

The Big Bang itself was caused by a transition from a state of high-density matter and high energy.

However, it's worth pointing out that I am not trying to show how the Big Bang occurred, nor convince you that it occurred; my post was merely pointing out a huge flaw in your logic, i.e. your statement "The Big Bang did not occur, so we should believe in Creationism" is flat-out illogical.

Well, isn't it possible that God could of caused the Big Bang to happen?

[*mipadi*]

Well, isn't it possible that God could of caused the Big Bang to happen?

Perhaps I wasn't clear before, so let me spell it out for you: I don't care whether God created the Big Bang or not. You believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what makes sense to me. I only posted to point out that your logic—that if we prove the Big Bang wrong, then we logically have to believe in Creationism—was flawed.

[AngelinaTaylor]

Not necessarily, someone brought up to me something and I can't remember who it was right now but that dinasaurs existed before the Bible but God could of had a different name for these creatures...the word dinasaur was created by scientists to describe them but that doesn't mean that's what they are. And it does tell us of the ark and about all the animals. It could be possible the ark could of been big enough to hold the animals..or even then since we (me and you) believe dinos were before the Bible then of course it wouldn't of happend...but my bf brought up this suggestion which I think is a very good point. Couldn't of God created dinos as his first attempt at life? And of course it failed and humans were his second attempt? Which was actually successful.

Don't tell me you take the flood story literally. You believe this actually happened? That the WHOLE WORLD was flooded and that ALL the animals fit into that ship?

In the bible, nothing is mentioned about ANY sort of animal which could have been thought to be a dinosaur.

Oh yeah, and didn't all these events happen before the bible was written? There is no POSSIBLE way that these stories happened.. err.. "after the bible". o.O I'm confused by your logic.

FYI: The floor story was first found in the Epic of Gilgamesh. Which was written during the existance of the FIRST civilizations in Mesopotamia.

[sweetangel2128]

Don't tell me you take the flood story literally. You believe this actually happened? That the WHOLE WORLD was flooded and that ALL the animals fit into that ship?

In the bible, nothing is mentioned about ANY sort of animal which could have been thought to be a dinosaur.

Oh yeah, and didn't all these events happen before the bible was written? There is no POSSIBLE way that these stories happened.. err.. "after the bible". o.O I'm confused by your logic.

FYI: The floor story was first found in the Epic of Gilgamesh. Which was written during the existance of the FIRST civilizations in Mesopotamia.

Well, being that I'm a Christian, believe in God and the Bible, the answer would be yes.

As for the animals fitting into the ship, yes it's possible, they didn't put EVERY animal into the ship but one or two of each kind and they didn't have to be huge animals, they could be small. Plus, being that God created the first "everything" and evolving happends over time there wasn't probably a lot of animals to begin with so yes it's possible.

Actually no because the Bible tells us that God created everything in 6 days so if dinos existed which I'm sure they did he would of had to of created them during this 6 day period.

My other Christian friend has pointed out they did talk of dinos in the Bible, maybe not the word dinosaur but then again that is a man-made term by scientists not by God, God called them "beasts" in the Bible, they were said to have huge teeth, be very big and had thick skin which sounds a lot like them describing dinasaurs.

I thought that maybe it happend before the Bible but then I thought about how he created EVERYTHING in 6 days, that would mean that dinos had to of been created by God at some point, probably around the time of Adam & Eve. Here is a video by a guy that explains it, it's kinda long but explains that the Bible does talk of dinos existing around the time of God. Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9WVXi9Nl-s

[AngelinaTaylor]

Well, being that I'm a Christian, believe in God and the Bible, the answer would be yes.

As for the animals fitting into the ship, yes it's possible, they didn't put EVERY animal into the ship but one or two of each kind and they didn't have to be huge animals, they could be small. Plus, being that God created the first "everything" and evolving happends over time there wasn't probably a lot of animals to begin with so yes it's possible.

Actually no because the Bible tells us that God created everything in 6 days so if dinos existed which I'm sure they did he would of had to of created them during this 6 day period.

My other Christian friend has pointed out they did talk of dinos in the Bible, maybe not the word dinosaur but then again that is a man-made term by scientists not by God, God called them "beasts" in the Bible, they were said to have huge teeth, be very big and had thick skin which sounds a lot like them describing dinasaurs.

I thought that maybe it happend before the Bible but then I thought about how he created EVERYTHING in 6 days, that would mean that dinos had to of been created by God at some point, probably around the time of Adam & Eve. Here is a video by a guy that explains it, it's kinda long but explains that the Bible does talk of dinos existing around the time of God. Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9WVXi9Nl-s

I don't have time to watch that right now (I will later), I have class very soon, but since you're christian and all, why don't you point to me from the bible where it says about those dinosours? I read it 5-6 years ago (I'm starting to reread it again), so I've forgotten.

If he put every animal on the ship - two of each kind, what do you mean by "they didn't have to be big ones"? HAHAHAHAHA didn't he put two of EVERY KIND? Doesn't that include ALL animals? Are you implying that all animals are small?

Bird was also a man-made word.

The flood story was strictly an ALLEGORICAL one and it was never intended to be taken literally. The ancient civilizations never did, anyway. That applies to many of the stories written in the bible. They have a deep metaphorical meaning, and it wasn't taken literally until the church took them from those civilizations and made them be seen as historical, which is absolutely idiotic. Especially since most of them are damn illogical. They have a meaning, but it's NOT literal.

So what's your comment on the Epic of Gilgamesh? They've got some really cool stuff in there.

[kimmytree]

So what's your comment on the Epic of Gilgamesh? They've got some really cool stuff in there.

Are the stories in the Epic of Gilgamesh fables? I've heard of the book, but I've never read anything on it.

[sweetangel2128]

I don't have time to watch that right now (I will later), I have class very soon, but since you're christian and all, why don't you point to me from the bible where it says about those dinosours? I read it 5-6 years ago (I'm starting to reread it again), so I've forgotten.

If he put every animal on the ship - two of each kind, what do you mean by "they didn't have to be big ones"? HAHAHAHAHA didn't he put two of EVERY KIND? Doesn't that include ALL animals? Are you implying that all animals are small?

Bird was also a man-made word.

The flood story was strictly an ALLEGORICAL one and it was never intended to be taken literally. The ancient civilizations never did, anyway. That applies to many of the stories written in the bible. They have a deep metaphorical meaning, and it wasn't taken literally until the church took them from those civilizations and made them be seen as historical, which is absolutely idiotic. Especially since most of them are damn illogical. They have a meaning, but it's NOT literal.

So what's your comment on the Epic of Gilgamesh? They've got some really cool stuff in there.

First of all, no comment on the Gilgamesh, heard of it but don't know anything about it. Do you have a link where I can read up on it?

As for dinos in the Bible, heres an article on it, don't worry there are verses in it that show that they were mentioned here you go:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c004.html

I mean they didn't have to be big ones, they could of been babies of that kind. And what I mean is 1 or 2 of every kind..meaning one kind could of been big while the baby was small, he could of taken the baby on the boat.

Ps: Heres the verse in my King James version:

Job 40: 15-19.
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass an an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

[AngelinaTaylor]

First of all, no comment on the Gilgamesh, heard of it but don't know anything about it. Do you have a link where I can read up on it?

As for dinos in the Bible, heres an article on it, don't worry there are verses in it that show that they were mentioned here you go:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c004.html

I mean they didn't have to be big ones, they could of been babies of that kind. And what I mean is 1 or 2 of every kind..meaning one kind could of been big while the baby was small, he could of taken the baby on the boat.

Ps: Heres the verse in my King James version:

Job 40: 15-19.
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass an an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

Yes, that could be describing a dinosaur, but it could be also describing some mythical creatures that never existed. They had a thing for writing extraordinary stories.

I don't trust the internet much when it comes to issues like this, but I found this - The Epic of Gilgamesh: Here

I still stand by my opinion (and it's not just me who's thinking this) that the stories in the bible (which appear in other ancient texts) were never meant to be taken literally until the church got involved.