Abortion., give me thoughts. Options

[Spirited Away]

Why didn't she go to the police? She can stop that if she does.

points

he raped her several times (and it's several days now).

It might be too late by the time he's through with her.

[swtpumkinpie]

my opinion on this is:
you knew what you were getting into when you are having sex. You knew the consequences and if you weren't ready for that then don't do it.

i think it is wrong. once you found out you were pregnant, the baby is already growing inside. which means it's already living. just not the way you are. it's killing a human baby. it's wrong.

the only exception is if you get raped. that's the only reason for having an abortion.

[Spirited Away]

the only exception is if you get raped. that's the only reason for having an abortion.

Thank you for saying that. There is the exception of rape.

[easilyxamusedx]

i sort of swing both ways.
but if i had to chose one,i'm for abortion.
it's your life, your choice, your baby.
and.
-There are rapists out there and there are good reasons why people have abortions, not like the infamous reason because you made a mistake.
-Everyone deserves to make their own decisions.
-Some fetuses aren't conscious yet.
-Perhaps you saving it from having a bad life? (if you couldn't support it, feed it, etc.)
-Yes, there's always adoption.
-It's not really right for somebody else to dictate what we want to do with our lives.
A-nd, there's always those people who are so desperate to not have a baby that they'll have an illegal abortion and might die anyways.

just random thoughts.

done.

[justbecausexx]

it depends on the person. it's that women's choice to weather they want an abortion or they don’t. I don’t think their right should be taken away. well this is just my opinon.

[onenonly101]

I believe abortion is wrong, because it comes back to what did the child do wrong that you would have to abort them. In cases of rape, I still don't believe the child should suffer for a STUPID/POWER HUNGRY(sorry hate rapist) man.

I am soo adament about not having abortion but there is only one case that i would even think about it. If my child was under12 and was molested and became pregnant, i don't want my child to suffer the pregnancy but i also wouldn't want the baby to suffere either.

[ComradeRed]

A cause, by definition, is something that leads invariably to an effect. Since rapes do not invariably lead to pregnancy (in fact, it is very rare for them to do so), it is accurate to say that the baby, not the man, is the CAUSE of the woman's burden.

[onenonly101]

Yes but the baby in question wouldn't be if the man did not rape him. If you were to take out him raping her you would also cancel the baby. So i say that the man si the cause of the hurt/burden

[ComradeRed]

That's a misuse of language. The man is a force acting on a particular cause in one situation, but the ultimate cause is the baby itself.

[onenonly101]

No, the baby is not the cause, the baby is factor in the cause but not it. Like i said before there wouldn't have been a baby if the man did not rape her

[Spirited Away]

I believe abortion is wrong, because it comes back to what did the child do wrong that you would have to abort them. In cases of rape, I still don't believe the child should suffer for a STUPID/POWER HUNGRY(sorry hate rapist) man.

I am soo adament about not having abortion but there is only one case that i would even think about it. If my child was under12 and was molested and became pregnant, i don't want my child to suffer the pregnancy but i also wouldn't want the baby to suffere either.

I feel you, because the child is innocent.

But in the raped woman's case (with aids), I wouldn't call her names or point an accusing finger at her should she decides to abort the baby. Even though it's wrong, she still has her rights as a woman because it's true that it's her body that the child's using to grow.

[onenonly101]

But in the raped woman's case (with aids), I wouldn't call her names or point an accusing finger at her should she decides to abort the baby.

Yeah I wouldn't either because in rape cases it is so hard, I mean everything about rape cases especially the unseen immediate consequences like having a child.

If i was in the situation of the women with AIDs, abortion wouldn't even be a choice because i odn't think that if i survived the incident that i would even still be a live. I hate suicide(to me it is selfish) but in a case like that i would have to be selfish.

[ComradeRed]

The man might have caused teh baby, but the baby itself caused the problems. The proximate cause of the woman's problems is the baby.

It is not lingustically correct to say that someone was killed with a gun. That person was killed with a bullet from the gun.

[Spirited Away]

Yeah I wouldn't either because in rape cases it is so hard, I mean everything about rape cases especially the unseen immediate consequences like having a child.

If i was in the situation of the women with AIDs, abortion wouldn't even be a choice because i odn't think that if i survived the incident that i would even still be a live. I hate suicide(to me it is selfish) but in a case like that i would have to be selfish.

Having the baby then ridding it in an orphan home is also selfish, or at least the child will grow up to think so. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation; either way the woman will be selfish. So why not give her the choice to choose her poison?

[CrimsonArchangel]

How would you determine that, though? Furthermore, there is always adoption. From what the media makes it to be, it seems horrible, but look at how many adopted people turned out great. Just look to Hollywood, and you'll see so many that came from adoption agencies and whatnot. I mean, if anything, they'd be better off in an orphanage if you think about it. They need to learn how to survive on their own long before many of us. They're better prepared for when they turn eighteen opposed to many of us.

agree, agree, agree.
Why would you want to kill someone who has not yet lived? Why not give him/her a second chance as a loved, adopted child? It could happen!

[ComradeRed]

Why is it bad to be selfish?

Democracy, at least the way we know it in America, is based on selfishness. Our Constitution assumes people will be selfish... that's why the checks and balances system works. Because the Courts will be selfish enough to check the powers of the President and Congress, and ditto for the President and Congress.

Our capitalist economy is also based on selfishness. Businesses produce and sell NOT to serve the common good, but to make money. Simple as that. This way, they all DO promote the common good through selfish competition that forces them to undercut prices and raise new innovations to help everyone. In Soviet Russia, they taught people it was wrong to be selfish and that they should always serve the greater good, and look where the Commies ended up.

Being selfish is a perfectly good thing. It's actually hurting other people (i.e. unreasonable selfishness: stealing, killing, etc) that makes it bad.

[princess2113]

Having the baby then ridding it in an orphan home is also selfish, or at least the child will grow up to think so. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation; either way the woman will be selfish. So why not give her the choice to choose her poison?

not all babies put up for adoption go to an orphanage...and if they do...they dunt know ne differantly

[Spirited Away]

not all babies put up for adoption go to an orphanage...and if they do...they dunt know ne differantly

What make you say that? I'm sure there are orphans who resent their parents for leaving them. They may not know much when they're young, but they'll wonder why they're different from other kids, plus they'll know sooner or later.

It's a sad world out there, we must take into consideration of the human conditon.

[tinababy143]

Thank you for saying that. There is the exception of rape.

no..rape is not an acception..i've been in that exact spot before..i was raped and got pregnant and yess i carried that child for 9 months and put it up for adoption..so you cant tell me that rape is an exception for abortion and you cant tell me to "put myself in her shoes" I WAS IN HER SHOES!! no..i didnt get aids..and no my baby didnt get aids..but other than that..i was there..in the flesh! and even if myself and the child got aids i would STILL carry that baby for 9 months and either keep it or put it up for adoption..

[ComradeRed]

So you did that. Why should you force others to do that too?

[Spirited Away]

no..rape is not an acception..i've been in that exact spot before..i was raped and got pregnant and yess i carried that child for 9 months and put it up for adoption..so you cant tell me that rape is an exception for abortion and you cant tell me to "put myself in her shoes" I WAS IN HER SHOES!!  no..i didnt get aids..and no my baby didnt get aids..but other than that..i was there..in the flesh!  and even if myself and the child got aids i would STILL carry that baby for 9 months and either keep it or put it up for adoption..

Haven't you read a thing I said?

I clearly said that it would be a hard decision for the woman as well, and that I would not blame her if she does abort the baby.

Each and every woman is different, you must at least grasp that truth before I go on.

You may deal with trauma one way, another woman will deal with it another way. If everyone was as "strong" as you were going through that horror, then there would be no suicides, and I wouldn't even bother to have this arguement with anyone.

I only approve of abortions when people are in desperate need of it, not because it is a convenience.

[*Kathleen*]

It might be too late by the time he's through with her.

I meant as in after the first day, why didn't she go to the police?

[tinababy143]

So you did that. Why should you force others to do that too?

i never said that i was going to force anyone to do that..it is their choice..everyone has their own opinion..my opinion is that abortion is wrong and under no circumstances should it happen..thats all im trying to say..but it is my opinion so if anyone thinks differently..then they have the right to think it and say what they feel..but i have the right to think and say what i feel as well..

[*Kathleen*]

Why is it bad to be selfish?

It's bad to be too selfish. When I say this, I mean dealing with human life. Being too selfish will slow down progress.

[ComradeRed]

No, progress is the result of people being selfish. People invent stuff to satisfy their own natural curiosity OR to make a profit. Both selfish motives.