Anonymous Posting. Options

[*Monochrome.*]

Well as I was looking through Mod.Preformance thread.I noticed theres alot of fighting and bickering in there.Now sometimes because of this reason Members feel that they need to make a different account just that they can get their point across without having to reveal who they are,So that it wont look likethey have a personal problem the mod they are critiqing on.

However,With power to IP track identitys become Revealed and then more problems arise.

My Idea is to have a anonymous post ability where it cannot be IP tracked unless they are member bashing, or spaming or whatever.

What do you think?

[*.fire*]

I agree, I think it was kinda slack how the mods IP checked acessed denied to find out who she was, and then posted just for the sake for saying they knew who she was, I bet they werent warned for spamming.

[*mona lisa*]

There's a reason for the fighting/bickering. People are biased.

I don't understand how what you're suggesting would be possible. I don't know the technical details but the IP being hidden for all valid posts and visible if member bashing/spamming occurs just sounds...impossible.

It's possible to create a forum where guests can post but not a single thread, I don't think.

Criss (I honestly hope that's your name; if not, I apologize), ONE mod posted that and she later regretted doing it. While yes, it was better to have not posted that at all, the spam issue is not that big a deal. None of the other members who spammed were warned.

[*I Viddy Horrorshow*]

I don't think that's technically possible...

But in any event, if you're honestly afraid to post your opinion, don't do it, I guess.

Although, I would say that I don't think it is a great idea when admins/head staff do IP checks just to find out who people are, although again, people aren't strictly supposed to have multiple accounts anyway, so maybe that is just the risk people take? I don't know...

I think a straightforward policy where by admins etc. agree not to do IP checks unless there are special circs. (bashing, spamming, etc.) is all we need.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

In reading that post, Diana, it makes me feel bad that people wouldn't feel comfortable posting in the moderator feedback for fear of backlash or bickering.

That thread is essentially for you guys, the community.

IP checking really should only be utilized for reasons already stated in this thread (spamming, bashing, etc). So that shouldn't be on-going fear (as the moderator had expressed remorse for doing that).

I'm not sure what it would take to have anonymous posting ability, other than what Mona mentioned regarding an actual Forum.

[issey miyake]

i thought they knew who she was without the ip tracking, i straight guessed it. it doesn't take genius to have known who she was. she left because i revealed it her identity? yes i did spam in that thread and yes i was given a verbal warning by james wasn't i?

just in my opinion, access denied was attacking tina. that was her bias opinion (knowing their history). to me she literally tried to go out of her way to make tina look bad.

[*Intercourse.*]

Diana, I get where your coming from about having an anonymous thread for mod performance and such. Although I don't know we could possibly make something like this. Perhaps have a little check box that we could use to post anonymously would be neat.

Although for IP things, I really think its inconsiderate to search or run a IP check on someone that wants to be anonymous and their not doing anything wrong. I always thought the IP check was to figure out who was who or make sure the person that is causing a problem. Not one that is simply posting around.

[*Libertie*]

With regards to "the moderator showed remorse" comment - if you're talking about me, and I'm the one who did the IP check, then no, I didn't. I honesly, completely, do not think I did anything wrong and I don't see why it's such a big deal that I knew who she was if I kept it a secret. I mean jeez, I'm not gonna go running back there telling everyone who it was unless it becomes a problem, which I didn't think it was going to.

And as a reference to me making the post in the topic about knowing, SERIOUSLY? Okay! Whoa, I had no idea we weren't allowed to joke around anymore, I'll remember to keep it serious and professional from now on! To the owner of the account "access denied" - you and I have spoken one on one before, you didn't strike me as the type of person to get upset over me making a playful comment in that thread. If I'm right, I still don't think that you think it's that big of a deal, but if you do, I'm sorry.

If we're gonna bring up an issue about something that's actually putting a damper on the forums, how about we talk about how things are being taken way too seriously? I mean it, I don't get to come on here quite as much anymore, although I do try to make an appearance at least once every day. It seems like when I DO come online, we seriously can't have FUN anymore because there are so many restrictions on posting (omg don't do that, it's pointless/spam/waste of post count). Are you KIDDING? Jusun has always said that he wants the forums for the most part to be unmoderated unless the need arises, and I'm just not seeing that at all. I'm seeing the same things get reprimanded over and over, when most of these things we could just let slide because does it REALLY matter? We wonder why the community has been falling apart, and I can honestly tell you that I think this is it.

I still don't think that using the power to IP check is that big of a deal if I'm being honest with you, but since it's clearly taken way too seriously when I point out that I know (I thought it'd be like "duh, of course she knows") I will be sure to be 100% serious business from now on and just keep it to myself. *insert smiley here, I'd use the Suzzette victory sign but I figure that'd be misconstrued as mocking her and we don't want any of that*

P.S. I'm begging you guys not to take this the wrong way. You all (those of you who know me) understand that I don't speak my mind unless I feel strongly about something, and this is one of those times. I'm not just being pissy for no reason, okay?

[Luciadus]

I agree. Suzzette, you should mind your buisness when it has absolutely nothing to do with you. And it's very true that the fun level on this site has increasingly declined. We had the fun level on 8, then once we had it on 9 1/2, but now the fun has been turned down to 3, maybe even two. It takes time and money to learn how to read the fun-o-meter. Anyways, we need to crank this baby up. Stop taking things so seriously. If I wanted serious, I'd go to school. I'm not in school, I'm online and I want to be creative and fun, not mindless and boring.
This site has become a prison, the inmates being the poor, unfulfilled minds of the fun seeking participants who get the axe for wanting a little change in their routine. The guards being the veteran members who fail to grasp certain ideas like originality or joy. I would like to spearhead a plan of escape, a campaign of change to give this dying site some life back. Potential members come to this site and leave because they don't see what the point is, or where the enjoyment is. Lets try to revive our community, a Renaissance doth approach.

P.S. Who am I? I'd like for someone to reveal who I am, not really sure why. There will be a reward of ten banana stickers for the person who does it first.

[*Intercourse.*]

I'm backing with you Dani, this site has become a little on the down side of things. It's only been like this recently too. I remember when I could come on here and have a good laugh with some people and actually want to come here and help people and not have a care in the world pretty much. But now its like I have people on my back and its like I really don't even want to come on this site anymore because its taken way to seriously and I can't even go around without someone pointing out a post that I was vividly joking in and get yelled at for it.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

* Raises hand

Was repeating what someone else in the thread said about remorse. Although the word used was regret.

So... I'm sorry?

Yeah, done here. Still sorry people are feeling uncomfortable, but that's about all I can provide.

[Bonobo]

wonderful wonderful idea.... but how would mods find out who wa sthe person bashing if all users had the ability to go anonymous

[*Libertie*]

Rebecca, I didn't post this because of what you said about remorse, so if I was wrong about who that was directed at, I'm sorry. My point is that I don't see what's wrong with knowing who the repeat users are as long as I'm not disclosing this information until it's absolutely necessary. I like to stay one step ahead of the game, and I'm not being immature about it (I don't go broadcasting who every anonymous member is), so who cares?

[*Monochrome.*]

OK now this has cause some sort of more controversy.Something i diddnt mean to start or do.
I didnt start this thread to bring up the Dani IP check with ann thing.That was not my Inetention of this.
My intention was beacause ME PERSONALY As much as i would like to go into mod preformance and tell someone they arent doing their job to MY satisfaction [ PLEASE dont take me wrong on that one lmao ] I cant beacause if i say like
"James isnt doing his job right [he is this is just a example]"People would either automaticly assume that Josh put me up to it.Or its because of the recent "Honesty thread".Then an allout battle would begin,From what i said.When truely the whole time i only really meant that JAMES WAS NOT DOING HIS DAMN JOB IN MY EYES.

So rather then sit here making a whole new account just to nag at him i thought of the anonymous posting idea.But seeing that it may be just not be possible.

[*mona lisa*]

Honesty thread? Which thread is that?

Ignore ignorant responses. Say what's on your mind but don't let personal feelings get in the way. Giving specific examples and stating why you think __ isn't doing a great job while staying objective would help. A LOT. You don't know how many times people have spoke with bias and that doesn't help at all.

[*Monochrome.*]

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=169907
this thread.

[*mona lisa*]

How does that relate to this? Unless you mean the whole Josh/James thing? I apologize but my brain is completely fried; I'm really not seeing the connection.

[*Monochrome.*]

How does that relate to this? Unless you mean the whole Josh/James thing? I apologize but my brain is completely fried; I'm really not seeing the connection.

Yes that was the exact connection i was trying to make.lol

[*mona lisa*]

Okay. I've read the thread (albeit not thoroughly) and I haven't read a single valid comment about James' performance as a mod. The whole argument between them seemed more personal than anything, to me at least. If you or he were gearing it more towards his outlook on the community members, which is related to mod performance, than feel free to explain it well in the Mod Performance thread. That's all I can really say. =\

[*Uronacid*]

I think that anonymous posting is a horrible idea, but for some reason cB needs it.

How I feel:

I feel cB needs anonymous posting because the members on this site cannot deal with conflict. Members of this website tend to harbor bitterness against one another. They let it fester, and as a release they become bias and passive-aggressive towards one another or use "anonymous shutouts". They secretly sabotage each others reputations, and manipulate the community causing separation amongst staff and members alike. It's as if they are playing a sick and twisted game. A game where conflict is avoided, and each and every confrontation or opportunity is competition fueled by hatred, pride, or revenge.

I think that one of the largest problems on this site is that it doesn't allow for conflict to occur. Any sign of conflict in a thread tends to be a red flag for the closing of an "infected" thread. Members on this site teach "conflict avoidance" instead of "conflict management". It may seem as if staff has become too strict, but can we really blame staff?

No, I think that staff has good reason to close these threads. The members of cB (staff too) are so competitive that instead of responding to honesty with empathy they respond in a defensive, condescending, or offensive tone. Members making an attempt to level with a conflicting party are torn to shreds and in the process taught to adapt to competitive environment that cB harbors. The members are so competitive they tear each other apart at the very site of a conflict, and the staff can't allow for conflict to work itself out without history repeating itself in return removing a way for conflict to resolve naturally. It's circle of hatred that goes around and around without a way to stop, building up more and more as the cycle continues.

With all the hate flying around, conflict occurs more violently/often. Staff is forced to become more and more strict in order to keep peace within the community because members who harbor unresolved conflict are more irritable.

Eventually no-one is sharing opinions or giving their "honest" input because they fear what may occur when they do. Createblog.com has become a dramatic/political game. Creating more anonymous features will only allow people to avoid conflict for a longer period of time. It will only make our problems worse.

I think that the "anonymous shout-out" topic should be removed from the community.

[Bonobo]

JOSH- OMG You... you... took the words from my mouth.

[*.fire*]

Libertie: The only problem I had with you IP checking was that she stated before that it wasnt necessary to know her identity for her to give her opinion upon the mater. She also had dodged the subject a few times when people asked who she was.

Just because I have something to say doesn't mean people have to know my identity. I'm just someone. Okay? If I don't want my identity known, then I don't. I'm not going to be an a-hole about this, so I'm just going to drop it here.

But when you did find out who she was she seemed fine with it, but me personally I would be irked if someone didn't respect my clearly stated wishes.

Thats all, no harsh feelings.

And by my post I in no way implied that I was taking away the so called "fun".

[*Monochrome.*]

Okay. I've read the thread (albeit not thoroughly) and I haven't read a single valid comment about James' performance as a mod. The whole argument between them seemed more personal than anything, to me at least. If you or he were gearing it more towards his outlook on the community members, which is related to mod performance, than feel free to explain it well in the Mod Performance thread. That's all I can really say. =\

*smashes head on desk*That was the ENTIRE point i was trying to make.People always assume that if someone randomly critiques a staff member it was because their friend or they themselves had a personal issue.

The example i used was James.AND IT WAS ONLY AN EXAMPLE.AS I THINK JAMES IS DOING A GREAT JOB.

so i will reliterate that the james example used was only as example and not what i truely thought.

geeze.*Fustrated*

[*Intercourse.*]

Breathe Diana

[*Duchess of Dork*]

I think that anonymous posting is a horrible idea, but for some reason cB needs it.

How I feel:

I feel cB needs anonymous posting because the members on this site cannot deal with conflict. Members of this website tend to harbor bitterness against one another. They let it fester, and as a release they become bias and passive-aggressive towards one another or use "anonymous shutouts". They secretly sabotage each others reputations, and manipulate the community causing separation amongst staff and members alike. It's as if they are playing a sick and twisted game. A game where conflict is avoided, and each and every confrontation or opportunity is competition fueled by hatred, pride, or revenge.

I think that one of the largest problems on this site is that it doesn't allow for conflict to occur. Any sign of conflict in a thread tends to be a red flag for the closing of an "infected" thread. Members on this site teach "conflict avoidance" instead of "conflict management". It may seem as if staff has become too strict, but can we really blame staff?

No, I think that staff has good reason to close these threads. The members of cB (staff too) are so competitive that instead of responding to honesty with empathy they respond in a defensive, condescending, or offensive tone. Members making an attempt to level with a conflicting party are torn to shreds and in the process taught to adapt to competitive environment that cB harbors. The members are so competitive they tear each other apart at the very site of a conflict, and the staff can't allow for conflict to work itself out without history repeating itself in return removing a way for conflict to resolve naturally. It's circle of hatred that goes around and around without a way to stop, building up more and more as the cycle continues.

With all the hate flying around, conflict occurs more violently/often. Staff is forced to become more and more strict in order to keep peace within the community because members who harbor unresolved conflict are more irritable.

Eventually no-one is sharing opinions or giving their "honest" input because they fear what may occur when they do. Createblog.com has become a dramatic/political game. Creating more anonymous features will only allow people to avoid conflict for a longer period of time. It will only make our problems worse.

I think that the "anonymous shout-out" topic should be removed from the community.

Do you think there's a tincy wincy chance you might be taking things just a little too seriously? I mean, "hatred, pride, or revenge", "dramatic/political game"? It's an internet forum.

While I think it would be good for people to be able to communicate more effectively with one another, I don't see things as being "competitive." Truth of the matter is, some people just don't get along here. It's really quite simple. Unfortunate, but simple. Also, I don't think that everyone is dishonest and/or avoids conflict. There's a difference between someone just not wanting to talk to you and someone who is passive aggressive. That's my take, at least.

Also, the anonymous shoutout threads have been here for a long time. While some may use it as an outlet for frustrations, I see others using it for fun and throwing out silly little anonymous notes that I think are wonderful. I personally think it would be a shame to get rid of it. But that's just me.

Anyway, I think this has veered a tad from what Diana was trying to accomplish/vent/etc. She's allowed to post feedback (regardless of what people agree or disagree with). I don't think that there is much we can do about this (anonymous posting, that is) but we can all try to make a better effort at utilizing that thread for its intended purporse - Feedback. I try to think of that thread as a mini job review written/posted by the general public. Unless I am attacked (and you guys should be able to know the difference), I'll try to acknowledge and move on.

The IP check, for the record was taken a little too seriously (hmmm, taking things a little too seriously seems to be a bit of a trend lately). If it was such a problem (and in the future if it is a big issue or it means a lot to someone), why not just give the admins/heads a heads' up that you would prefer your identity to not be shared with anyone. Not that we would go around making PSA's to the Community about it, but if it means that much to you, it wouldn't hurt. Just a thought.

PS - LOL@Dani, I thought you were busting out the Dani-Smash ( ) on me.