Member Bashing Exceptions, The Exceptions to Member Bashing Options

[*Intercourse.*]

^why not the truth?

[sadolakced acid]

Truth is relative.

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I've always thought it was some biased thing just because Seon Ho knows the creator. I know quite a few people that have thought this too.


Supposedly their in the middle of making a "decision" on Seon Ho stuff from what James said, or atleast what I got from his post in here.

Oh, and on a side note, Holly, I actually agree with you about Seon Ho, but the situation with him is actually being discussed at the moment as to what is the best way to deal with that particular issue. He hasn't been tackled just yet, but action is pending, so don't worry about that.

I think the whole "action" thats supposed to happen is taking a while.

[*mzkandi*]

For the record, Seon Ho's warning was raised and he was on mod preview after I saw that.

[*Intercourse.*]

Of course mod preview only is so long and once hes off hes right back at his sly comments again..

[HakunaMatata]

Why does there have to be a big decision about Seon Ho?

As Seon Ho has stated, he was been punished in every way in the staff's power. That hasn't stopped him. Thus, the discussion.

[*Libertie*]

Honestly? We're doing all we can to deal with the issue promptly every time, and if I see it happening I don't let it pass by unnoticed. When I saw his post tonight (one of the ones quoted by Suzzette, I was directed to the page by another member) I immediately put him on mod preview. It's not that nothing IS being done, but if he's getting away with it between punishments, he shouldn't be. If he continues the negative posting during mod preview, his punishment will be extended.

[*Uronacid*]

You said in this topic:

As far as saying that we don't suppport the site, me, josh, and Jake collectively have made little scores of people join the site who had never even heard of CB before. In the big picture that doesn't really matter, yet when you think of the people they tell and the people those people tell, it supports the site in a huge way.

Either you contribute to the site or are another run of the mill internet jerk. You can't do both things since they quite mutually exclusive (unless you join SA or 4chan ), so as far as this thread goes it's still totally pointless in its very escence.

You really don't understand what this topic is about... you should just leave. In my opinion or personality is ridiculously dry, and everything you have said hasn't contributed to the post.

The only thing you keep bringing up is the "opinion" that this has to do with the UT. Which it obviously does not. Yes, Jake, Jeremy, and I do post in this topic. Yes, we are in the same team, but everything done in this thread and all other threads (outside our team thread and missions posted by me alone) have nothing to do with the UT.

We aren't the only ones posting in here. What about members like "brownsugar"? I think she brings up a great point. It's also very similar to the situation Jeremy faces. Please Kurd Jam, take your "know-it-all" comments and observations and flush em' down un bañó.

Oh? And how many times has this discussion taken place? Homeboy has all the mods backstage talking about him with topics up the wall, but nothing is happening.

But just keep discussing it.

I completely agree with this.

Honestly? We're doing all we can to deal with the issue promptly every time, and if I see it happening I don't let it pass by unnoticed. When I saw his post tonight (one of the ones quoted by Suzzette, I was directed to the page by another member) I immediately put him on mod preview. It's not that nothing IS being done, but if he's getting away with it between punishments, he shouldn't be. If he continues the negative posting during mod preview, his punishment will be extended.

He shouldn't be, but he does... Hahahahahhaha, it's so pathetic. I had a conversation with Mona a while back. She pretty much told me that there was nothing they could do about Krnxswat, and that they just kept disciplining him. He pretends to be a good boy while on mod preview, and as soon as the punishments up he goes back to doing what he does best. She said that staff didn't know what to do about it, and that were having discussions on how to discipline his behavior.

I also brought up the fact that he has been ip banned. She said that she didn't know how he got off of the IP ban. You know what's really funny is that he flaunts the IP ban like its a medal. Look at this post:

Yah.. I basically broke all of cB's written and unwritten rules.
Received 100% warning level, warned and suspended innumerable number of times, and a permanent IP ban to add to the list.

Haha, I think it's funny that staff really can't do anything about anyone who wants to blatantly disobey them. I don't think that they realize this.

How to get away with being disobedient 101:

• Stage 1: Get to know the staff. Pretend like you respect them, and make them like you. Bash people until you cross the line and when they give you a verbal warning be nice and say you'll stop. If you want to make this last a long time, bash people a little bit and once every two weeks do something worthy of a verbal warning. Keep doing this until it gets old and they raise your warning level.
• Stage 2: Congrats, you have reached stage two. Staff still likes you. Don't worry, you can keep repeating the steps found in Stage 1 until you receive a mod preview. Just make sure you stay "buddy-buddy" with staff.
• Stage 3: Congrats, you have reached stage 2, and you are on mod preview. Remember, while on mod preview you have to be good. For some reason, staff still likes you. They are sad that you are bad, and treat you like a teacher treats that smart kid in highschool that doesn't do his homework but gets high 90's on all their exams (You know what I'm talking about). They like you, but they only wish that you could be good. *sigh* You just aren't motivated. Keep repeating the steps found in stages one through three until staff hates you and give you an IP ban.
• Stage 4: Wow, it should take you about a year to reach this point. That's some real effort, and upon being banned. I'm sure you made lots of friends with your colorful personality. People have probably made threads supporting your return because the site has become "boring". It's ok, you haven't run out of guns yet. All you have to do is call up your local ISP (Internet Service Provider) and request a scope change on your DHCP. DHCP scopes are the range of IP address's that your ISP gives you for use when you pay their monthly dues. Generally your ISP will give you a range of about three address's. Wait a week before you make any posts, and when you do start making posts just act like nothing happened. When staff inquires about your return just tell them you are sorry and that you will be good. Act good and play them for fools for about a week, and then just go right back to stages 1-4 until they unregister your user name, and ban anyone from using it.
• Stage 5: Wow, you are amazing, but to get your user name back you are going to have to use some skills in a programming language I would like to call "java-tastic". Now, I'm not to good at this, but a friend of mine is plenty good. Alright, with any site that uses login user names and passwords there is a split second where access to the websites user database is totally open. The hard part is finding that exact moment.
  
  All you have to do is find the IP address of the server. Then create a java-tastic program that consistently probes that server as the administrator until someone logs on. At the split second a person is logging on, a port is open and server is searching for that users account so that they can have access to features on the website. The program forces you in through that open port giving you access to the server... do whatever you want from there... xD
  
  Anyways, if you don't have all the java-tastic skills you can always call your ISP and change your IP scope and create a new username. Knowing Ju-sun also works.

I'm going to post this in the lounge... xD Does reading that make you angry?

[*disco infiltrator*]

I'm not exactly sure why Seon Ho is getting away with what he's doing by people treating him like a little kid saying, "Oh, be nice Seon Ho!". It's not cute. I agree that these situations are not being handled correctly.

As for the original topic at hand, James probably just reacted to his because, well, it's him. Any person would do the same. Bashing is a lot more noticeable when it's against you. But, the better idea, instead of trying as hard as you can to prove that mods are biased, how about we just not bash?

[*I Shot JFK*]

Seon Ho is on Mod Preview.

At the end of the day, if you don't break the rules, you don't get punished, so, as Sammi suggested, why don't we work on that for a little while, instead of worrying about othe rmembers?

[Rachel]

I also brought up the fact that he has been ip banned. She said that she didn't know how he got off of the IP ban. You know what's really funny is that he flaunts the IP ban like its a medal. Look at this post:
Haha, I think it's funny that staff really can't do anything about anyone who wants to blatantly disobey them. I don't think that they realize this.


I'm going to post this in the lounge... xD Does reading that make you angry?

It's funny that you are talking about Seon Ho bragging about his IP ban. I do believe you "brag" about all the punishments and havoc you've caused on this site, you think it's funny, as do many of your friends. (And I don't want to seem like I have a bias against you OR the UT, it just works out in this example. ) There are a few more similarities between you and him, but that is not the issue here. Also, we as staff do realize that we can't really do a lot about Seon Ho and we are discussing this backstage, so don't think that we are oblivious to his posts. Honestly, once he gets bored and people stop reacting to his posts so much, I think he will leave again. That being said, as staff, we aren't going to ignore him and are trying to find ways to get him to stay in line, we aren't just sitting there blindly ignoring his posts and looking for others to warn.


As for your list, reading it does not make me angry. It actually makes me laugh. Seon Ho has been a member for FAR longer than you and, from what I remember, has always had a sarcastic semi-bashing personality. You learn to just ignore him or laugh at the fact that people actually offended over something that a person they will likely never meet said to them on an internet forum.

[*Uronacid*]

You learn to just ignore him or laugh at the fact that people actually offended over something that a person they will likely never meet said to them on an internet forum.

OMG, this is exactly what we're talking about it. WHY ARE WE TREATED DIFFERENTLY! Why can't YOU learn to ignore us and laugh at the fact that people are offended over some something that a person they will likely never meet said to them on an internet forum.

"There are a few more similarities between you and him, but that is not the issue here.", yes it is an issue. I have nothing against seon ho anymore, but you clearly treat us differently and see us in a different light even though we are doing the same exact things.

I'm not exactly sure why Seon Ho is getting away with what he's doing by people treating him like a little kid saying, "Oh, be nice Seon Ho!". It's not cute. I agree that these situations are not being handled correctly.

As for the original topic at hand, James probably just reacted to his because, well, it's him. Any person would do the same. Bashing is a lot more noticeable when it's against you. But, the better idea, instead of trying as hard as you can to prove that mods are biased, how about we just not bash?

I agree, like I said, "They're sad that you're bad, and treat you like a teacher treats that smart kid in highschool that doesn't do his homework but gets high 90's on all their exams (You know what I'm talking about). They like you, but they only wish that you could be good. *sigh* You just aren't motivated."

Any person would do the same.
No, James doesn't. Either that or he completely denies it.

Truth is relative.

If that's the case you're saying it to James, and I want to thank you.

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So far, all I am seeing is people whining about moderators not doing anything about the same people breaking the rules; which as I am tired of repeating, is pretty pointless since all that needs to be done to practically solve this problem is to not act in disagreement with this site's terms of use.

But yes, I am here to burn witches, boooo.

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I don't think they have the guts to stand up to him.

You need to get your butt back on staff and do something Suzzette

[*I Shot JFK*]

Because Seon Ho was thoroughly whipped into shape when Suzzette was on staff?



Ok. This seems to hav ecome down to solely complaining about Seon Ho. I agree that a tougher line should be taken with Seon Ho. Most people do, and I'm willing to bet that nex time he does something, that will be that. So unless you want to whip up a useful example who ISN'T Seon Ho, please, let that go, as nothing productive is coming of it.

You HONESTLY think that anyone goes out of their way to discriminate against you? Well, you're wrong. Plain and simple. clearly, however, you don't believe that. And at some point, that ceases to be anyone's problem but your own. As Jordi said, the easiest solution is to follow the very simple rules of the forum. Then you have nothing to worry about.

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No, you don't have to reply to my post either. I was just joking because I think Suzzette should come back to staff. Hence the the smiley face at the end.

[viugiufgjhfhjfhg...]

1.- People go all about acting stupid in the forums under several premises such as:

i) It's the internet, nobody cares.
ii) We have no motivation to act like we do in the everyday world.
iii) They are actually that stupid.

2.- The forums get full of stupid posts, topics and people. People don't report posts because of points i) and ii) mentioned under section 1.*

3.- The staff acts on the flood of stupid; some people get warned some don't. People whine about it claiming a double standard when they're the ones screwing the place up in the first place, making the staff members' job more difficult because:

i) The number of occasions where the staff needs to take part in increases accordingly to the complaining.

ii) People don't help staff deal with problems, but keep claiming about double standards without taking into consideration their role in the whole mess.

4.- People go back to point 1.


You all love drama and being babysitted too much for CreateBlog's good.

*I am not sure if being stupid is an excuse or a flaw with regards to that specific point. As of now it'll be left out.

[*mona lisa*]

Lmao. Don't mind me; I find this funny.

I see bringing up Seon Ho was inevitable. His IPs WERE banned but he was still able to use his account for some reason (and without a proxy); therefore, the ban was pretty useless. I took them off because a) as I said, it wasn't working, and b) many IPs are shared by many many members, which is why I'm wary of using an IP ban.

Ok, so, the discussion Backstage of what to do with Seon Ho. Why the constant discussion? Because people on staff have differing views on what should be done. Both sides have valid points so it's not as if the staff doesn't have the guts to face up to him. LOL, I think he knows that I don't shy away from punishing him.

Anyway, I think the take home message from this thread is that something should be done about the different standards that the staff members have on what merits a warning, a verbal warning, or a simple slap on the wrist.

I saw what the user "Anal" has posted and didn't hesitate to give out a verbal warning. I saw that the "Be nice." comment geared at Seon Ho was useless and PMed Jane saying she should be afraid of doing certain things and doing what she thinks is right.

Edit: P.S. I agree with everything Jordi (Kurd Jam) has stated in his latest post.

[*Uronacid*]

Lmao. Don't mind me; I find this funny.

I see bringing up Seon Ho was inevitable. His IPs WERE banned but he was still able to use his account for some reason (and without a proxy); therefore, the ban was pretty useless. I took them off because a) as I said, it wasn't working, and b) many IPs are shared by many many members, which is why I'm wary of using an IP ban.

Ok, so, the discussion Backstage of what to do with Seon Ho. Why the constant discussion? Because people on staff have differing views on what should be done. Both sides have valid points so it's not as if . the staff doesn't have the guts to face up to him. LOL, I think he knows that I don't shy away from punishing him.

Anyway, I think the take home message from this thread is that something should be done about the different standards that the staff members have on what merits a warning, a verbal warning, or a simple slap on the wrist.

I saw what the user "Anal" has posted and didn't hesitate to give out a verbal warning. I saw that the "Be nice." comment geared at Seon Ho was useless and PMed Jane saying she should be afraid of doing certain things and doing what she thinks is right.

Edit: P.S. I agree with everything Jordi (Kurd Jam) has stated in his latest post.

I don't agree with Kurd Jam at all... I have been at this site for a little over 8 months now and have only been acting up recently. It's been this way ever sense I have joined cB. Certain members just get away with shit. A lot of what he has said is true, but in many cases does not apply to this website.... there definitely is a double standard. Particularly in the case of Krnxswat.

You can seriously be as bad as you want, and never get kicked off this site. Most ISP's use a Class A IP address giving their customers 1,000,000+ IP address's to choose from. I can change my IP at any time, and create a new account. You guys would have no idea it was me, and I could do the same thing all over again. Proxy's are another method, but I prefer a simple phone call to a slow connection (proxies are slow...).

I'm getting the impression that you guys are really at the mercy of your members... especially the ones who don't use the services provided in the design section.

You know what's really stupid:

Even though you all punish seon ho over and over... your staff still has the stupidity to give him numerous member of the X awards... >.> That's almost the equivalant of giving your most troublesome employee "Employee of the Month"... I don't know what you guys were thinking at the time, but someone must have hit you guys in the head with a 2x4 or something.

[*mona lisa*]

You know what's really stupid:

Even though you all punish seon ho over and over... your staff still has the stupidity to give him numerous member of the X awards... >.> That's almost the equivalant of giving your most troublesome employee "Employee of the Month"... I don't know what you guys were thinking at the time, but someone must have hit you guys in the head with a 2x4 or something.

Elaborate because that went completely over my head.

[HakunaMatata]

I think he might be referring to the Superlatives 2006 thread.

[*mona lisa*]

Josh, what does Seon Ho getting the most votes in the superlatives have to do with anything? It's the staff's stupidity? Right. Were you here when all that happened, because to my knowledge, members (including staff) had voted on each "position".

[*Uronacid*]

Josh, what does Seon Ho getting the most votes in the superlatives have to do with anything? It's the staff's stupidity? Right. Were you here when all that happened, because to my knowledge, members (including staff) had voted on each "position".

Whoa, isn't member of the month determined by staff? I thought that members just elected and helped choose those members.

[*Libertie*]

To my knowledge, Seon Ho never received member of the month.

[*Uronacid*]

To my knowledge, Seon Ho never received member of the month.

Didn't he flaunt it during the hiring session?