Draft or Prison? Options

[ComradeRed]

Dang.. that makes the election a lot more difficult... on one hand, you have Bush.. and on the other hand, you have the slightly communistic democrats..

I support Kerry in 2004, JUST BECAUSE The Republicans will control Congress. That way, we are preventing one-party rule. The Republican Congress and the Democratic White House will hog-tie each other and we will be able to preserve our civil liberties through this mess we've gotten ourselves in to.

Though I disagree with their affirmative action decisions, the Supreme Court has otherwise proven to be fairly legitimate. I have the fullest faith that the draft, if passed in Congress (which is very unliekly to begin with), will be shot down by public opposition and the Supreme Court.

Amendment XIII: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist in the United States, or any territory subject to their jursidiction, except as a punishment for a crimer whereof the guilty party shall have been duly convicted."

The draft is servitude. YOu have to follow all of your orders. For a period of time, you are a servant of the government.

The draft is involuntary. If it were voluntary, it wouldn't be a draft.

Don't know what bizarre definition you're using, but in my book involuntary + servitude = involuntary servitude. And it wasn't a crime to be an 18-year-old male last time I checked either.

[EmeraldKnight]

Wow.. you're like a political encyclopedia well thank you for clearing that up

[ComradeRed]

Wow.. you're like a political encyclopedia well thank you for clearing that up

Danke.

[WildGriffin]

Danke.

What is it with you and german?

[EmeraldKnight]

German's funny Mark Twain convinced me

[machinoman]

i would go to the draft. i wouldnt like it though. also, communism ain't so bad, just look at cuba. errr... nevermind.

[ryfitaDF]

i'm not dying for the government. this war is bull. i'll move to ireland.

down with bush!

[flyin_HAWAiiAN]

do girls get drafted too?
if so i would go to war.
if not, well thats sexist but i guess its better for us.

[strice]

yes, the girls can get drafted too.

[machinoman]

no

[strice]

to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes."

yes.

[stryker76]

"War is Old Men Lyin and Young Men Dyin"

[ComradeRed]

In draft news, recently has been the first time a REPUBLICAN Congressman has supported the draft. You can read the article on teh Aaron Russo campaign website: http://www.russoforpresident.com/

Bush and Kerry BOTH favor the draft, though support for the draft in Congress is more limited. And if it comes to it, I bet it will be struck down in the Supreme Court

Worst-case scenario will be public protest leading to a serious third-party/conservative movement in 2006's Congress elections, that will temporarily threaten both major parties and force the end of hte draft. The draft was never popular in America. I doubt it will be in this day and age.

[*Kathleen*]

That's too bad I'm not eighteen yet.

[PinoyOtaku]

Draft, would straighten things up while knowing that you can die during the process. I'm sure it would do some good on the values of life...

[ComradeRed]

Draft, would straighten things up while knowing that you can die during the process. I'm sure it would do some good on the values of life...

Explain how spending two years of your life as a government slave and possibly getting killed would "do some good on the values of life" again?

Values of life or no life, it's illegal.

NEITHER SLAVERY NOR INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE SHALL EXIST WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ANY PLACE SUBJECT TO THEIR JURISDICTION, EXCEPT AS A PUNISHMENT FOR A CRIME WHEREOF THE GUILTY PARTY SHALL HAVE BEEN DULY CONVICTED.
-- The United States Constitution, Amendment Thirteen. It's not THAT hard to read.

Conscript is unquestionably bad for the war effort, because of morale and logistic problems. Even the Department of Defense agrees.

Almost every effort at conscription by a government since 1975 had led to the said government being overthrown. The only two exceptions are Israel and Greece. Greece was saved from being overthrown only by massive American intervention (attempted Communist uprising damn nearly succeeded in the late 70s) and Israel is in a state of permanent warfare.

Some famous examples of conscription:

France: Invoking a feudal law, the King of France tries to draft citizens of Calais in the 1300s. The citizens appeal to the King of England, who invades France. War ravages France for the next 114 years.

United States: Conscription declares in 1863 to fight the civil war. Hundreds die in the riots that ensue. Lincoln is forced to cut conscription quotas by 50%.

Russia: Conscritpion begins in 1914. Three years later, conscripts organize several simultaenous uprisings. The conscript-manned Russian navy defects, the government is overthrown, and the Czar Nicholas II is executed by his own people.

China: Mao declares conscription "in case of emergency" (possible American invasion of China after winning Vietnam): 1969. Government overthrown in a bloody two-year coup: 1977-78.

[*Kathleen*]

Eh you're quite resistant, aren't you, Minda?

[EmeraldKnight]

Eh you're quite resistant, aren't you, Minda? 

But see.. the diff betwen him and the theologians is that his stuff actually has real basis and is credible, and instead of being stubbornly annoying with resistence, he freaks you out and overloads you with into

[ComradeRed]

But see.. the diff betwen him and the theologians is that his stuff actually has real basis and is credible, and instead of being stubbornly annoying with resistence, he freaks you out and overloads you with into

Shock and awe, haha.

Speaking of which:

CHINA: Manchu government (never popular to begin with) declares conscription in the late 1840s to fight off foreign countries. The rich manipulate the system into getting the more comfortable jobs in the military. Infuriated, landless peasants rise up in the bloody Taiping (ironically, Taiping means 'serenity') Rebellion. TEN MILLION -- that's a one with seven zeroes behind it -- people die in the bloodiest civil war in history. The war finally ends when foreign countries send troops into China to restore the government. The government becomes a puppet to foreign countries, and is finally overthrown in 1906.

[Mr. Psychotic]

i would go fight for this country even though some of the things we did were wrong but yeah i would go to war

[ComradeRed]

I would bury you.

[Mr. Psychotic]

I would bury you.

what do u mean by that...?? and were u talking to me??

[ComradeRed]

Haha, it's a reference to:

"We will bury you."
--Nikita Khrushchev

My favorite communist quote ever.

[Yemmerz]

I'd go into draft, to protect the ones I love in my country...but I wouldnt kill. I'll be like a nurse or anything except a soldier. I wouldnt be able to live with the thought that i killed someone. =\

[ComradeRed]

If you get drafted, you don't have teh choice of what job you get. All the volunteers are allowed to fill up the jobs they want first.