Can you prove that the Bible is authentic? That there's truely no Contradictions, If there even 1 contradiction, the Bible is not authentic. Options

[*mishyerr*]

As opposed to restating the original quote that you said "Amen" to, please elaborate as to what the original quote means to you, please. What, according to your understanding, is the difference betwen "Christianity today" and what Jesus "meant it to be" ??

Just for reference:

Because through the internet, tones can be confused and read as bitter sarcasm, etc, and cause much offense, my tone is sincere right now, so please take that to mind before you read this.

Honestly, I can't even remember what I was referring to. But since obviously it is such a huge burden to you that a non-Christian must explain what she thinks about what Jesus meant... then I will attempt to explain what I learned during my years of Christianity.

One sermon, that has not only touched me deep inside, but scarred me forever, is when my youth leader told us to "bear the Cross on our backs daily." This is not some sort of cute metaphor where you pray at lunch, read your Bible before you sleep, and say a silly little prayer at night. This is pure suffering for Jesus everyday. This is Christians, every day, moment by moment living for Jesus and "what would Jesus do." I can't really remember, and I'm not going to go back and search for it, but I think I do remember something about Jesus not accepting "shit." Well, obviously, Jesus would not accept the "shit" that people have done so far! Are you trying to tell me that YOU think you bear the cross daily? By starting this argument with me online, are you suffering for Jesus, trying to, what, make me believe that what I agreed to was wrong?
Christians have messed up big time. There would be many more Christians if there were ignorant kids running around telling atheists, Buddhists, Muslims that they're "GOING TO ROT IN HELL FOR ETERNITY!" (and yes, I've heard this said to me after I turned away from Christianity).
If you are trying to convince me that Christians are pure and perfect, like Jesus himself, that if even the mass of today's followers are even attempting to be like, at the very least, his disciples, then please continue on without me. I have already stated my opinion simply:

"Amen" to the 'theory,' if I must, that Christians are not living up to (IMO) Jesus' expectations.

Have a wonderful, blessed day

P.S. I think that person who wrote the "contradictions" website was completely uninformed and ignorant.

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Oh, and not directed to ScottD, but these are other strange things found in the Bible. These are examples taken from a book titled "AN UNDERGROUND EDUCATION."

One example:
Moses commanded his followers to kill and rape
"Moses became angry with the officers, the commanders of the battalions and the companies. He asked them, 'Why have you kept all the women alive. Remember if was the women who followed Balaam's instructions and at Peor led the people to be unfaithful to the Lord. That was what brought the epidemic to the Lord's people. So now kill every boy and kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse but keep for yourselves all the girls and all the women who are virgins.' " (Numbers 31: 13-18)
The last thing he said is open to interpretation, but I mean, I'm pretty sure it's rape.

Haha, actually this is a super good book. It has the "true" story on many things, such as religion (and no, it's not trying to tear apart Christianity), science, sex, arts & literature, and other stuff :) It's written by Richard Zacks.

[sweetangel2128]

It clearly says in the Bible that homosexuality is wrong, but people have interpreted it some way that it's not to them.

Exactly why I am not a Christian anymore..well one of a thousand reasons.

[*kryogenix*]

Well, I think everyone has there own way of interpreting what the Bible or what God is trying to say...everyone has there own views of what sins are and what's not a sin. As long as the person loves God why does it matter how they live there Christian life? That's what I always believed when I was a Christian and I do still believe that even though I am no longer a Christian.

Is it right for people to believe that slavery is ok?

[sdingfelder]

From Heath21:
That's what I always believed when I was a Christian and I do still believe that even though I am no longer a Christian.

As with everything, just because you believe something doesn't make it true. Similarly, not believing something doesn't make it not true.

From JakeKKing:
Well, to clarify, if you accepted Jesus in your heart than you can't loose that. You might not follow the religion, but you still are a Christian.

With all due respect, JakeKKing, where is the Bible verse that says "accept Jesus in your heart" ?

The Bible does, in fact, say that you can lose "it". Read Hebrews 6:4-6.

Finally, "it" is not about following the religion, it's about following the Messiah. If you're not following Him, you're not a Christian.

From mishyerr:
Because through the internet, tones can be confused and read as bitter sarcasm, etc, and cause much offense, my tone is sincere right now, so please take that to mind before you read this.

I do appreciate your comment about text being a very difficult way to express tone. I agree whole-heartedly. Please, also, take my words sincerely.

From mishyerr:
Honestly, I can't even remember what I was referring to. But since obviously it is such a huge burden to you that a non-Christian must explain what she thinks about what Jesus meant... then I will attempt to explain what I learned during my years of Christianity.

I, also, appreciate you taking the time to explain your personal beliefs and thoughts. You're right that it is a burden for me. It's important to me that you consider your eternal destiny.

From mishyerr:
One sermon, that has not only touched me deep inside, but scarred me forever, is when my youth leader told us to "bear the Cross on our backs daily." This is not some sort of cute metaphor where you pray at lunch, read your Bible before you sleep, and say a silly little prayer at night. This is pure suffering for Jesus everyday. This is Christians, every day, moment by moment living for Jesus and "what would Jesus do." I can't really remember, and I'm not going to go back and search for it, but I think I do remember something about Jesus not accepting "shit." Well, obviously, Jesus would not accept the "shit" that people have done so far!

Jesus was very intolerant to those who were religious. His words toward the religious leaders and those who were hypocrites were scathing -- "generation of vipers", "white-washed tombs", etc.

God judges our intentions as well as actions. He gave His 10 Commandments in order to show us how He's going to judge us. He didn't send His Son simply to die so that people could claim His Name and live however they'd like.

From mishyerr:
Are you trying to tell me that YOU think you bear the cross daily?

Consider the difference between these two:
1. One person has no desire to bring honor to their parents, and
2. One person has a desire to bring honor to their parents but falls short every day

Clearly, a true Christian's desire to bear His cross daily. I have no idea if you're in the US or not, but people who call themselves Christians who live in the US are a sad barometer by which to gauge Christians. Look to those people who are martyred for their faith in Messiah all over the world and see if THOSE people are carrying their crosses daily. Understand that they fully-well know that their profession of faith in Jesus puts a price on their head. They willingly do this knowing that they can live their lives with the full assurance that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has promised them eternal salvation (John 3:16).

As for myself, I am not the One prophesied through the Old Covenant to go to the cross for the salvation of the world, I am, though, called to never denounce Him even if I am put on a cross. In term of what I do daily, I look at the Bible's teachings for a husband, a father, and a follower of Jesus. Without question, I would give my life for my wife and my children. With even less question, I would give my life for my Savior.

Being a true Christian means that I would die for Him, but that's not what He's called me to do (so far) in order to have His favor. Dying for your god in order to receive his favor is a trait of Islam, not Christiantiy.

Messiah died so that I could LIVE for Him. So, with regards to Jesus saying to follow Him to the cross (Luke 9:23), I'm perfectly fine with dying for Him. Until that time, though, He's called me to follow Him in sharing the Good News of the Messiah of Israel (Mark 16:15, Matthew 4:19).

Actually, it'd be easier to die for Him than to live for Him. Look at this blog as an example. I certainly have had no one up to this point support my words in any way. It'd be much easier for me to just stop replying and leave every reader here open to following after their own desires as opposed to trying to share with them the singular Truth found in the Bible -- NOT in the teachings of a building called a church, but to ask you to please consider your eternal destiny and read the Bible YOURSELF. And, if you find a problem in reading it yourself, bring it up so we can both find the truth by looking elsewhere in the Bible. Doesnt' everyone want to find truth ? Something can't be black and white. That thing must be one or the other. If you found truth, wouldn't you want to share it with others ?

From mishyerr:
By starting this argument with me online, are you suffering for Jesus, trying to, what, make me believe that what I agreed to was wrong?

Please forgive me, but I wasn't trying to start an argument. I wanted to start a dialogue -- one specifically to understand why you agreed to something that someone else said.

From mishyerr:
Christians have messed up big time. There would be many more Christians if there were ignorant kids running around telling atheists, Buddhists, Muslims that they're "GOING TO ROT IN HELL FOR ETERNITY!" (and yes, I've heard this said to me after I turned away from Christianity).

It's a shame that you not only consider these "kids" ignorant as well as your comment that you've already turned away from Christ.

From mishyerr:
If you are trying to convince me that Christians are pure and perfect, like Jesus himself, that if even the mass of today's followers are even attempting to be like, at the very least, his disciples, then please continue on without me. I have already stated my opinion simply:

Please know that I would NEVER try to convince someone of something that I didn't fully & strongly believe myself.

I know for a fact that there are many people who call themselves Christians and they put on a show of themselves every time they walk into their building called a church. These people are not Christians and the Bible speaks of them. If they knew what the Bible says about them, they'd either repent or, at least, consider whether or not they really want to follow the One who gave His life for the payment of their lawlessness.

From mishyerr:
"Amen" to the 'theory,' if I must, that Christians are not living up to (IMO) Jesus' expectations.

So, please correct me if I'm wrong: You've said "Amen" to those people that call themselves Christians and do not follow Christ in the things that they do.

If that's what you're saying, I completely agree. These people are false followers of Messiah.
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From mishyerr:
Have a wonderful, blessed day
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You, as well. Thank you for your honesty and openness in sharing your thoughts...
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From mishyerr:
P.S. I think that person who wrote the "contradictions" website was completely uninformed and ignorant.
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Obviously, we come at if from different perspectives, but I completeyl agree...
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From mishyerr:
Oh, and not directed to ScottD, but these are other strange things found in the Bible. These are examples taken from a book titled "AN UNDERGROUND EDUCATION."

One example:
Moses commanded his followers to kill and rape
"Moses became angry with the officers, the commanders of the battalions and the companies. He asked them, 'Why have you kept all the women alive. Remember if was the women who followed Balaam's instructions and at Peor led the people to be unfaithful to the Lord. That was what brought the epidemic to the Lord's people. So now kill every boy and kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse but keep for yourselves all the girls and all the women who are virgins.' " (Numbers 31: 13-18)
The last thing he said is open to interpretation, but I mean, I'm pretty sure it's rape.
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I understand that this wasn't directed at me and I appreciate your disclaimer. Since I already had such a long response, I hope you don't mind my commenting on this as well. I'm including the King James version of the text here so you can see the differences that exist between your version and the KJV:
Numbers 31:13-18

"And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

The Lord knew that allowing pagan worship into the camp of Israel would lead the people away from Him. This actually happened in the Bible, so we know that it would've happened at this point as well. So, it was His Will to do this.

As for the "women children, that have not known a man by lying with him" being "kept", the rest of the Old Covenant speaks very specifically on how non-Jews (Gentiles) who were assimilated into the Jewish nation should be treated. They were not be raped. They were to be treated as a member of the Jewish nation with almost all the same rights and privileges. The main differences was that the Gentiles could not proceed into the "Jewish-only" section of the Holy Temple.
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From mishyerr:
Haha, actually this is a super good book. It has the "true" story on many things, such as religion (and no, it's not trying to tear apart Christianity), science, sex, arts & literature, and other stuff :) It's written by Richard Zacks.
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I'm interested to know if you'd share how you know what this author says is "true".

As for it "not trying to tear apart Christianity", I can see why you think it might not. But realize that if someone were to read something that says the Bible is not true, doesn't it tear apart someone's perspective of reading the Bible and believing it ?

[sweetangel2128]

As with everything, just because you believe something doesn't make it true. Similarly, not believing something doesn't make it not true.

Same thing goes with Christianity, just because a book says it's true doesn't mean it is.

[sdingfelder]

From Heath21:
Same thing goes with Christianity, just because a book says it's true doesn't mean it is.

Excellent comment, Heath21.

This is exactly the point to studying to find out what the real truth is. Are you studying to find real truth or are you basing "truth" only on what you believe to be true and what seems right to you ?

[ClaudelGFX]

Somewhere in time, someone said that the "Bible" was just an regular book sold as any other regular ones, there were many types but all of them were almost the same, every writer was adding something of its own and chaging the name :)

[sweetangel2128]

Excellent comment, Heath21.

This is exactly the point to studying to find out what the real truth is. Are you studying to find real truth or are you basing "truth" only on what you believe to be true and what seems right to you ?

How do you study something? You can't just read the Bible and say "Oh that must be true since it's in here." It is hard to study something if you really don't have any proof of it being real or made up. Like I said in the past, Christianity is based solely on Faith and nothing more. I believe what I believe. I was brought up to believe in a God, I believed he created everything but I dont believe he gave us all these stupid rules to live by, except of course possibly no stealing, cheating, murdering...ect...all the other stuff I believe was put in there to fit the Christian religion not God's rules or plans. Tell me this....how can there be a whole Bible of teachings when they have only found bits and pieces of scrolls?? And what I am following right now, does seem right to me. I'm happy where I am at in my life right now. I'm living for myself not some deity that might not even exist. I have a Question for you. What would you do if you worshipped your God 100% your whole entire life, never lived for yourself, lived by God's rules or what the Book says and died only to find you waisted your whole life because in the end Heaven nor Hell existed and God didn't create the earth but mother nature did or what if the God you lived for didn't exist but just a God in general did. What would you do? I would rather live for myself than a diety, enjoy life and find out in the end what is truth, rather then live my life as a robot and never live for myself and find out there is no God in the end. That's just what I believe...

Somewhere in time, someone said that the "Bible" was just an regular book sold as any other regular ones, there were many types but all of them were almost the same, every writer was adding something of its own and chaging the name :)

Did you know that a few years back they actually found a scroll that contradicts what the whole Bible says, the Christians found out about it and bought it from the people so that no one would know the real truth? This is a fact...my boyfriend heard it from other people and it was on CNN a long time ago. Another reason why I choose not to believe.

[ClaudelGFX]

Like i've said before, its up to you IN what to believe or who to believe, BUT don't judge others for what they believe IN, because anyway anyhow noone its the same and noone will believe in the same thing, its FREE WILL like they say. YOU ARE FREE TO BELIEVE IN ANYTHING HUMAN OR UNHUMAN, FAIRYTAILS, GHOSTS, VAMPIRES, SATAN or w/e your brain points to, evan alliens :))

[sweetangel2128]

Like i've said before, its up to you IN what to believe or who to believe, BUT don't judge others for what they believe IN, because anyway anyhow noone its the same and noone will believe in the same thing, its FREE WILL like they say. YOU ARE FREE TO BELIEVE IN ANYTHING HUMAN OR UNHUMAN, FAIRYTAILS, GHOSTS, VAMPIRES, SATAN or w/e your brain points to, evan alliens :))

I am not judging others religions or what they believe in. I just don't like being converted lol...hey I believe aliens exist but I don't worship them