Clubs Options

[*Sephora.*]

[Sorry if there's already a topic about this]

I think that there should be a category called "Clubs" in the Interests section. I think it would be easier to find club topics, and for all the clubs to be ordered in a section instead of scattered all around the forums. It's fine the way it is, but I think it would be more easier and organized to make a section for clubs.

Any thoughts about it?

[*a painefull euphoria*]

Yeah i was thinking the same thing.
it be so much easier and proably reduce the amount of "lost" clubs throught the forum.

the only issue is is there enough room on here to do that?

[iDecay]

the only issue is is there enough room on here to do that?

That is definately not the issue.

I just don't really see a point in having an extra place for clubs.

[*Intercourse.*]

Didn't I say something in the unholy trinity thread about this before this topic?

They already answered, there isn't enough clubs to make this and a lot of the clubs fit in the places they are aparently. Its been discussed backstage in the past before as well. I remember.

[*My Cinderella.*]

Yeah, I brought that up in the other topic. But as Holly said, all the other clubs fit into their correct categories and the only ones that are left are Zamunda and the Unholy Trinity.

[*a painefull euphoria*]

Didn't I say something in the unholy trinity thread about this before this topic?

They already answered, there isn't enough clubs to make this and a lot of the clubs fit in the places they are aparently. Its been discussed backstage in the past before as well. I remember.

Well there arent many contests and they are in their own category?
I dont know
I see what you all mean though about them fitting in their places.

[Intercourselyts]

oops wrong name

[*Intercourse.*]

Haha, I love the way you think Diana.

I mean yea your right, there aren't very many contests I think theres about as many clubs as there are contests and if you think about it. Maybe more things will happen with the clubs if they were all in one place. Also I don't really think the Unholy Trinity is really a chit chat topic because really they are doing something more than just have a thread sitting there. They actually make their members do something if they want to be on a new position that benefits the community unlike all the other clubs that are just wasting thread space in a way.

[*I Shot JFK*]

^The last few pages of the Unholy Trinity Thread were talking about tomatoes and chocolate milk...

Anyway, the decision not to move other clubs was based on the idea that they were more forum specific, as Jane said. There aren't really enough non-forum related clubs to merit a seperate interest forum, although a possible subforum of the Sandbox is being debated.

And I keep thinking that Holly is Kiera, which is really off-putting

[*a painefull euphoria*]

Haha, I love the way you think Diana.

I mean yea your right, there aren't very many contests I think theres about as many clubs as there are contests and if you think about it. Maybe more things will happen with the clubs if they were all in one place. Also I don't really think the Unholy Trinity is really a chit chat topic because really they are doing something more than just have a thread sitting there. They actually make their members do something if they want to be on a new position that benefits the community unlike all the other clubs that are just wasting thread space in a way.

Im just saying it be so much easier to look in one whole category. And i think that it would greatly reduce the amount of dead clubs and lost clubs.

Especialy clubs that are ethnicity based one of them is in entertainment and one is the the lounge. It would be much easier to look in one place.

The last few pages of the Unholy Trinity Thread were talking about tomatoes and chocolate milk...

And about the unholy trinity. I am with holly on why it shouldent be in the sandbox. Because it truely isnt all chit chat as its been accused of.The unholy trinity requires you to do things and post ideas before you can join or advance in the ranks. Even though we are at a bad start we are slowly adjusting the rules and requirements to join to insure we arent like other clubs where they just have people sign up and they never return or do anything constructive.
We are still working on the idea of the unholy trinity now requiring new members to post 6 topics in the feedback forum of ideas that could help the community out in order to advance to another rank.

We are still trying to adjust the thread so that its not seen as just "chit chat". but apparently the thread hasnt been given the chance to do so seeing as it was thrown into the sandbox and now people wont be able to see it becasue not many serious members go into the sandbox.

[*I Shot JFK*]

The general CB policy is to keep subforms to a minimum, although it would make it easier to keep them out of the way. The race/ethnicity clubs that you mentioned are really the only ones that any staff could think of off the tops of our heads that weren't already somewhere that made specific sense. And those few topics realy don't justify a sub-forum.

And I understand that the Unholy Trinity thread requires things of it's members, and things like Feedback posts are just dandy, but it doesn't give any particular reason for the thread itself has any real weight to it. look at it now, and it's still all about chocolate milk and chemistry, so unless you're proposing that we move it to Food or School, then it's fine where it is. If you're getting members to make threads, then those threads will go where they need to be, too.

At the end of the day, we're still formulating a clear policy on this, so sit tight, becuase nothing is moving immediately.

*edit*

Oh, you editted. The thread was given a chance. all of the tomato talk was before it was moved. And the mod discussion regarding it being moved was specifically relatde to that thread as well as the Zamunda tribe. we took the club's aim into full account. It isn't about people being targetted, whatever you guys may think, it's simply a matter of keeping things where they need to be.

[*a painefull euphoria*]

^As i stated earlier. we still are in development to make it better and to trying to elliminate the spam topics that are currently going on in that thread.

But its the part about it being not seen by people that still irks us.we can take this to PM to discuss this rather than take up space in here to talk about this if thats all right with you James.

[*Intercourse.*]

Ehm no I'm not kiera belive me. The icons and stuff aren't even similar if thats what made you think that.

-cheers- Go Diana. Really I think you guys should have given the unholy trinity a few days or so in the lounge to see if it could be turned around into what it should be. I mean the Zamanda or how ever it is spelt was in there for quite some time and it was never moved when even staff would go in it and bluntly see that there was plenty of spam. I mean were all human and all and we can make mistakes but I think we should atleast be equal in this decision making and also not just move their topic because I know quite a few of you can't stand Josh and his friends.

[*I Shot JFK*]

The whole point of the Feedback Forum is that discussion and decision-making can take place where people can see it, so there's no problem with taking up space. That's what it is for.

Well, if you're still in development to reduce spam, which really shouldn't be that hard, then come talk to us when it's done. And you have sigs to advertise with, and you can ivite members who you know. If peope want to see it, it will be seen, so I wouldn't worry about that. And if you're successful in your mission or what have you, then i'm sure people will take notice of you.

but the fact remains that AT THE MOMENT, the thread is full of chit-chat, and so AT THE MOMENT, it is staying in the Sandbox.

Although actually having thought about it, given what your mission seems to be about, then the whol ething is more Feedback than Lounge realted than anything else, in trying to make the site a better place, and in that case, individual threads are more useful anyway. But even so, the thread belongs in the Sandbox for now.

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holly, I know that you ARENT kiera, im not stupid... and at first glance, they are similar, lol.

The thread was given a few days, and the decison was made as a result of content, not the people who made it. It isn't a question of anyone disliking Josh, we're all professional enough to act objectively as far as that is concerned. Frankly, I don't care one way or the other about him, I would have moved that thread whoever had made it, given the mod discussion that had take place. It was a GROUP discussion. Everyone is equal in that everyone has the opportunity to create a thread which is appropriate for the Lounge, which the UT thread currently is not.

As far as the Zamunda tribe is concerned, the UT thread sparked the discussion, and Zamunda got drawn into it, ad Zamunda was moved as well, so that is really a non-issue.

Like I said, come back when the UT thread is appropriate for the lounge.

[*Intercourse.*]

Ah whatever, I honestly would want to hear from a different staff member.

Anyway I'm off, I'm going somewhere else if you have something to say to me for the time being I suppose you can PM me.

[*I Shot JFK*]

That's your prerogative, but I think you're being childish and assuming that there's some sort of personal battle going on here. If there was, presumably I would know about it?

And as I said, I don't see the point in takin git to PM, because there is nothing personal in it.

[*a painefull euphoria*]

Ah whatever, I honestly would want to hear from a different staff member.

Yes please.
I like james i think you are a great person and a mod however I along with Holly get a strong sense of bias between you and Josh. And we arent saying that its a all out war torwards josh. As much as i agree with your points another staff member should review what we have had to say. Nothing personal as i also am trying to be professional about this.

Well, if you're still in development to reduce spam, which really shouldn't be that hard, then come talk to us when it's done. And you have sigs to advertise with, and you can ivite members who you know. If peope want to see it, it will be seen, so I wouldn't worry about that. And if you're successful in your mission or what have you, then i'm sure people will take notice of you.

Excuse me. but me unlike you dont have mod powers to enforce non spam in our thread.I constantly have had to PM or remind people in the thread to cut the crap out with the randomness.Its harder for me becasue i dont have power to enforce it like you would.nor do we have suport from a moderator to enforce it. We basicly are on our own it feels like. Yes i have contributed to the spam in it i admit. but i have constantly made statements trying to discuss ways to make this place [cB] more inviting to new members besides the layouts.
So pardon my french but dont f**king tell me its easy. becasue its not to me.

[*mona lisa*]

Ok, I just saw that Diana posted before me. Pardon me if my arguments seem off. =\

The Unholy Trinity was given a chance. Yet, since page 4, there has been a lot of spam. And Diana, you say that you're trying to eliminate all the spam going on in that thread, yet you are (and have been) participating in the spam discussion? (Don't take this personally, I'm only inquiring. :))

Although actually having thought about it, given what your mission seems to be about, then the whol ething is more Feedback than Lounge realted than anything else, in trying to make the site a better place, and in that case, individual threads are more useful anyway. But even so, the thread belongs in the Sandbox for now.

I agree with this paragraph. A lot. If you are trying to improve cB by making members contribute (in Feedback), then the thread would be more appropriate in Feedback; a "club" wouldn't be as helpful as a unique thread where discussion can be carried out. As well, the arguments/ideas wouldn't be "lost" in the sea of posts in the Unholy Trinity thread.

P.S. I don't see bias in James' arguments.

This post has been edited by mona lisa: Jan 28 2007, 01:57 PM

[*Intercourse.*]

Don't call your fellow members childish, please.

Also the club isn't only making people contribute to feedback only. You have to contribute to different tasks to level up. Diana is right, its easier for mods to tell people to stop spamming then it is for a member to just PM someone and say can you cut it off.

[*I Shot JFK*]

Lol. Ok. But frankly, I don't care about Josh one way or the other. The fact that he created the thread is really pretty meaningless.

Well, that was melodramtic, but really, if you give people a direction and a topic, they ought to focus on it more or less without supervision. The vast majority of threads on Cb don't require moderator supervision day-to-day. If it really IS such a struggle to keep things going the way you want in that thread, then maybe it doesn't have enough clear direction, which is all the more reason for it to stay in the Sandbox until it develops a clear focus that will keep people on track.

*edit*

Holly, then with all due respect, please don't use childish arguments about bias.

I understand that the task won't jus tbe in Feedback, but if they involve creating threads, then the individual threads can go to individual forums, where they fit, and the base club can stay in the Sandbox, where it fits.

[*Intercourse.*]

James we already know your opinion you can quit now, thanks.

[*a painefull euphoria*]

And Diana, you say that you're trying to eliminate all the spam going on in that thread, yet you are (and have been) participating in the spam discussion? (Don't take this personally, I'm only inquiring. :))

Yes. i know i admit ive been dumb and contributed to it. i know i even said so in a earlier post.But Its the part of trying to get people to listen when I dont have any power to actualy punish people who continue to spam even after i said something about it and kinda they look over it because i made a "long post".

People need to understand that jsut becasue Josh is in charge of the thread along with some of his friends who happen to have a history of being stupid on here. that the thread does mean buissness and that its not a oppertuinity to say what ever you want because thats not the free speech we are talking about.

and it makes that even harder when its in the sandbox. thats all im saying.

[*I Shot JFK*]

If the topic develops, then so will my opinion. That is what the thread is for. I'm not going to bicker with you, Holly, because it isn't helpful or interesting. But I will continue to reply to posts in this thread.

Let that be an end to any personal matters in this thread. anything which IS strictly personal can go to PM. End Of.

*edit*

Oh drat, this is moving quickly.

Diana, please stop trying to make this relevant to who made the topic, because that really ISN'T what this is about. We DO understand what the thread is trying to do. Honestly. But RIGHT NOW, in this moment, it is chit-chat ridden, and belongs in the Sandbox.

I can totally appreciate that it is hard to keep members in line, and I sympathise with that. But, to be honest, that just makes it seem to me like a single Club Thread just isn't the best way of going about things... The thread meaning business and actually being able to achieve business are two different things

[*a painefull euphoria*]

I can totally appreciate that it is hard to keep members in line, and I sympathise with that. But, to be honest, that just makes it seem to me like a single Club Thread just isn't the best way of going about things... The thread meaning business and actually being able to achieve business are two different things

well lets see how it goes from here. i made a post in the thread to make a final atempt to end the spam.

And i really hope i didnt come off a mod wannabe/loser

[HakunaMatata]

So going back to the origin of the topic:

Well there arent many contests and they are in their own category?
I dont know
I see what you all mean though about them fitting in their places.

There are twelve contests compared to the two that were moved to the Sandbox, so there is a good enough number of contests. However, that forum was created for the chief reason of having a way of organizing the voting threads and having a single place for everyone to find out what all of the Contests were. Knowing that, I wouldn't mind having a thread like the Current Contests thread in which each club has their own link and post describing their club.