Christians?, with all these post, are there any christians here? Options

[Intercourselyts]

I don't see how having sex topics around the forum would make us non-christians. People should be able to talk openly about their opinions on things, and for some of the people I'm sure they weren't actually as serious as you thought.

[Juris Khan]

Secondly, no one knows if Jesus was Black, white, chinese, Indian, or Oompa Loompa, so just drop that goddamn debate already. If you believe in him so blindly, it shouldn't matter what race he is as long as he does exist.

alright. we do have an idea what race Jesus really was. we cant pinpoint with 100% certainty exactly what one he is, but we do know that he is middle eastern because israel is in...surprise! the middle east. and because he was a carpenter, he was probably of better than average build, strong, muscular, becuase he has to build with lumber...and becuase he was middle eastern, he has middle eastern features: ie, larger nose, olive skin, etc, not all this hippie dusty brown shoulder length hair with blue eyes, sandals and the perfectly trimmed goatee...no! this is all the piece of crap americanised jesus...and it's wrong.

and i am finished with the rant...type thing......

[HakunaMatata]

Everyone, don't make this a topic discussing Jesus's race.

[*KCreateBlog*]

If you think life is meaningless then why don't you just.. nevermind.

Hahaha


I am Christian but as of lately I feel out of touch with god. I haven't been to church in like 4 weeks, and the last time I went one of the deacons I know was like "where have you been." Iono, maybe I should get back in touch with my relgion on da real.

[espressive]

You have a point, but at the same time... You shouldn't bother being offended. Really, to belief in our religion you have to have a lot of faith. Some people will just never get it, or have respect for someone who believes in something that they consider to be insane. To many, our religion is so ridiculous that they think it's funny.

Proverbs 23:9 "Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words."

You have to have a lot of faith to believe in any religion, not just Christianity. It just so happens that Christianity is a more common religion than let's say, Zoroastrianism, so it creates publicity.

I believe that verse is referring to converting non-Christians, as it says, 'the wisdom of thy words', which I'm interpreting as the Bible. Once again, not trying to convert anybody. I'm merely addressing a life-lesson of respect, which could be applied to "yay-ers" or "nay-ers". As this is a controversial topic, displayed by the replies, I think we all need to brush up on our maturity and respect or else this'll just turn into a huge mess.

hey look.. another christian thats trying to force his views on us and call us immoral and shit.

I don't really know who you're referring to and don't really need to know, but maybe you should try reading through all the other replies that Christians have posted to divert your society standard mind-set of a stereotypical Christian.

alright. we do have an idea what race Jesus really was. we cant pinpoint with 100% certainty exactly what one he is, but we do know that he is middle eastern because israel is in...surprise! the middle east. and because he was a carpenter, he was probably of better than average build, strong, muscular, becuase he has to build with lumber...and becuase he was middle eastern, he has middle eastern features: ie, larger nose, olive skin, etc, not all this hippie dusty brown shoulder length hair with blue eyes, sandals and the perfectly trimmed goatee...no! this is all the piece of crap americanised jesus...and it's wrong.

First, is this perspective on Jesus's race limited to Americans? I beg to differ. Secondly, exactly who started the topic of Jesus's race? (just wanted to know)

[miceylulu]

I am not Christian and I am not comfortable with the religion. It makes everything seem (to me) that everything natural we do is wrong. Sure, curiosity killed the cat, but should you guys have to ask forgiveness for doing what humans do? (i.e., sex, experimenting, kissing, etc.) And yes, I have been Christian. I always felt like I was being bad.

[*a painefull euphoria*]

Sure, curiosity killed the cat, but should you guys have to ask forgiveness for doing what humans do? (i.e., sex, experimenting, kissing, etc.) And yes, I have been Christian. I always felt like I was being bad.

yes as much as im catholic.i have many turn offs with the religion such as premarital sex,kissing and experimenting your sexuality, and birth control.
i mean how are we humans suposed to find the one to achive the sacrament of marrige if we have to ask forgivness beacause we made love before we were married or if we even kissed the person before we were married?

dotn even get me started with the birth control thing.
thats one thing i put my foot down to the church and literaly say "f**k you" beacsue i refuse to put my self in danger [i cannot carry children naturaly at this time beacause of a surgery i have had recently,i have to wait a while before i can] i will not put my life or my career on the line to have a child when im also not ready beacause i have sex with my love without some sort of protection. so honestly maybe i do make a bad catholic. but i do have some sort of faith in god

[EddieV]

My girlfriend recently got me into Christianity.

[Shahin]

My girlfriend recently got me into Christianity.

Nifty.

you still have a chance to ...unless you're on your death bed or something.

haha, only 17

[bat19]

Secondly, exactly who started the topic of Jesus's race? (just wanted to know)

um, yeah, that would be me. I believe I compared him to an oompa loompa. Plus(and correct me if Im wrong, its been a while you see), wasn't jesus a carpenters son? I dont believe they ever really said he himself was a carpenter. In the bible(and any fan of the movie Dogma will probably say "Oh' you suck. You're taking an idea that's been brought up long before this movie I saw ever was thought about and referencing it. You're so unoriginal."), but in the Bible, Jesus goes from twelve to thirty. Now he may have been helping Joseph round the shop every now and again as a kid, but he doesnt necesarily have to have become a carpenter. So to think you have an idea of what a man who may or may not have existed looks like based on his possible profession is unintelligent. In most likelyhood he didnt have blue eyes, pale skin, and flowing straight brown hair. He probably was overweight, bucktooth, and crosseyed with an annoying effeminate voice that got a bunch of people to follow him. "But that's mocking my religion!!" It's not a mockery to bring up possibilities. If that's the way I want to picture a man who only truly exists in a fairy tale then that's the way it's gonna be. The idea of debating religion is pointless because everybody is so hypocritical and self-interested in their own beliefs(myself included) to really make any progress. If it makes you feel superior to believe that an invisible entity will welcome your ghost into a proverbial Chuck e Cheese's by signing your soul away, go ahead and feel superior. I myself am left feeling content with the life I have and would rather not waste time questioning what will happen after.

[mmhmichelle]

Just because Jesus has brown hair or whatever other appearance,it doesn't mean he was white.

[Juris Khan]

...Plus(and correct me if Im wrong, its been a while you see), wasn't jesus a carpenters son? I dont believe they ever really said he himself was a carpenter. In the bible,...Jesus goes from twelve to thirty. Now he may have been helping Joseph round the shop every now and again as a kid, but he doesnt necesarily have to have become a carpenter. So to think you have an idea of what a man who may or may not have existed looks like based on his possible profession is unintelligent. In most likelyhood he didnt have blue eyes, pale skin, and flowing straight brown hair. He probably was overweight, bucktooth, and crosseyed with an annoying effeminate voice that got a bunch of people to follow him...

in the jewish culture, you did what your father did(if you were a guy) and so, before jesus became a rabbi, he would have been a carpenter, or at least more than a "temp" or a "sometimes helper" to his father joseph. and like Lil_Cloud it talking about, calling me unintelligent is not respectful. just becuase a person may be wrong about one thing does not mean that they are unintelligent. in fact, intelligence plays no role in this situation, because intelligence is a measurement of your ability to learn. for example, in rainman, the savant had a very high IQ, which stands for Intelligence Quotient, and therefore and intelligent person. he was not, though, the sharpest tool in the shed.

[Kontroll]

Actually, Jeremy is right. Jesus probably wasn't a carpenter. If you look at the original translations of the Bible, it refers to him as a 'Teknon.' That's Greek for 'Hand Worker.' I believe that is correct. That could have been any occupation considering in those days they really didn't have machines like we do, and most work was probably done with your hands. So, He could have been weaving baskets for all we know.

Secondly, I'm a Christian, not a good one at that, but I still am. It's not like you can lose your salvation. If you think so, show me. I don't agree with Jeremy on 99 percent of anything we talk about that involves rigorous debate, so don't think I'm siding with him cause he's my friend.

Jesus was Middle Eastern. He was a Nazarene. He did have long hair because Nazarene's weren't allowed to cut their hair. As was Samson, if you all remember your Biblical histroy.

I don't know much about the Bible, or Jesus, but there are some key principles that I do know. Those are the ones that are keeping my life in check for the most part. I believe in Christianity, not blindly, but out of faith. Faith is trust. Trust isn't blind. Love is blind.

I don't feel that we should all be scholars about the Bible, cause I really don't think that's what Jesus was going for. I mean, he helped the poor, sick and widowed. I'm sure they all knew so much about Him and God. I believe that all he really wants is a relationship with Him and that we put our trust in Him 100 percent. Yes, 100 percent. It talks about that in the Bible.

My beliefs on Catholicism is that it is a sect of Christianity, but an outdated philosophy that really only looks at the ritualistic aspects of Christianity. To say that the Pope is an intermediary between God and us is blasphemous, because the only intermediary was Jesus. Yes, there were prophets and all that spoke directly with God, but they didn't tell us that we had to talk through them in order to speak with God. The pope is 100 percent human and nothing else. Jesus was 100 percent human and 100 percent God. He was flesh incarnate.

End.

[mmhmichelle]

Yay! let's end this thread.

[*kryogenix*]

My beliefs on Catholicism is that it is a sect of Christianity, but an outdated philosophy that really only looks at the ritualistic aspects of Christianity. To say that the Pope is an intermediary between God and us is blasphemous, because the only intermediary was Jesus. Yes, there were prophets and all that spoke directly with God, but they didn't tell us that we had to talk through them in order to speak with God. The pope is 100 percent human and nothing else. Jesus was 100 percent human and 100 percent God. He was flesh incarnate.

End.

My belief on Catholicism is that it is the Church that Jesus Christ himself started and is the only valid sect of Christianity as all the other flavors were started by men and not by God.

I don't understand what you mean by an intermediary, but the Pope has authority because St. Peter was given the authority as the first Pope by Jesus himself. This is where apostolic tradition comes in and a whole other debate.

[espressive]

My belief on Catholicism is that it is the Church that Jesus Christ himself started and is the only valid sect of Christianity as all the other flavors were started by men and not by God.

If the basis of your debate is that Cathlicism is only valid because it was "started by God and not by men", then you can basically challenge the authenticity of the Bible. The Bible was written by men, and not be God, so then wouldn't the Bible be invalid in that sense too? Hasn't history proved that God works through people? That's how the Bible came about. How do you know God wasn't working through Martin Luther, the founder of the Lutheran sect?

So Jesus may have appointed the first leaders of the Church, but did he ever tell them that they are infalliable and hold the thread of communication between God and people? No, he didn't. Those ideas were developed by humans. And if the Pope is indeed infalliable, then why did Pope Alexander VI run a brothel in Vatican and allowed "The Banquet of Chestnuts", which is basically this huge orgy? The Bible certainly does not approve of that and actually tells us that our body is a temple of God and we shouldn't abuse it in such manner. Why did Popes in the medieval times also allowed the selling of indulgences? Tell me, is it really possible to be released from penance by money? No, salvation comes from faith alone, not by giving money to the Pope and writing your name on a piece of paper. Popes also hold the power to excommunicate people from the Church. Who are you to decide if a person is worthy to be apart of the Church? That is being judgemental, and the Bible tells us that the only one with that authority is God himself. The Catholic religion focuses so much on the Pope that he almost becomes an idol (with his infallibility and whatnot). The Bible clearly states that the only infallible one is Jesus Christ, not the Pope. So you see, Catholicism may have been founded by Jesus Christ originally, but much of it has been twisted to fit human desires. Don't tell me, "That's not true. Catholicism hasn't changed since the beginning!" If Catholicism hasn't changed, you would be reading the Bible in Latin, not English or French or German. The Catholics opposed the translation of the Bible from Latin and always conducted services in Latin. Martin Luther was excommunciated for translating the Bible into German, because it was forbidden. But obviously, that taboo has changed, hasn't it?

[/catholic rant]

[shortnsweet88]

I am a christian. However, just like every other person here I have moments where I feel like rebelling and well..church is'nt really my forte these days, but I do believe in God and the bible.

[*Uronacid*]

My belief on Catholicism is that it is the Church that Jesus Christ himself started and is the only valid sect of Christianity as all the other flavors were started by men and not by God.

I don't understand what you mean by an intermediary, but the Pope has authority because St. Peter was given the authority as the first Pope by Jesus himself. This is where apostolic tradition comes in and a whole other debate.

If God created the Catholic church as the one true sect of Christianity, why did the Catholic church feel compelled to eradicate all the free thinking Christians? I mean, if you look at it, Jesus was a free thinking Christian. Was he not? He was a revolutionary of the time. So, that would defeat the purpose of eliminating all those Christians during the rule of the Roman Empire. I would love to get into a debate with you about this. Anytime.

[*kryogenix*]

If the basis of your debate is that Cathlicism is only valid because it was "started by God and not by men", then you can basically challenge the authenticity of the Bible. The Bible was written by men, and not be God, so then wouldn't the Bible be invalid in that sense too? Hasn't history proved that God works through people? That's how the Bible came about. How do you know God wasn't working through Martin Luther, the founder of the Lutheran sect?

The Bible was divinely inspired, even though it was written by men. I know he wasn't working through Martin Luther because it wouldn't make sense for God to start a schism between His people, would it? Not to mention Luther's concepts of sola scriptura and sola fide contradict each other.

So Jesus may have appointed the first leaders of the Church, but did he ever tell them that they are infalliable and hold the thread of communication between God and people? No, he didn't. Those ideas were developed by humans. And if the Pope is indeed infalliable, then why did Pope Alexander VI run a brothel in Vatican and allowed "The Banquet of Chestnuts", which is basically this huge orgy? The Bible certainly does not approve of that and actually tells us that our body is a temple of God and we shouldn't abuse it in such manner.

Yeah, he gave St. Peter papal authority. The Pope is infallible on matters of faith and when speaking ex cathedra. Pope Alexander VI was a wicked man yes, and there were many other bad Popes, but none of their decisions changed Catholic belief for the worse.

Why did Popes in the medieval times also allowed the selling of indulgences? Tell me, is it really possible to be released from penance by money? No, salvation comes from faith alone, not by giving money to the Pope and writing your name on a piece of paper.

You don't know how indlugences work. I need to get to bed soon, so I apologize that I'll have to tell you to look it up.

Popes also hold the power to excommunicate people from the Church. Who are you to decide if a person is worthy to be apart of the Church? That is being judgemental, and the Bible tells us that the only one with that authority is God himself.

Sinning seperates us from Jesus Christ; excommunication is only a public announcement of notorious sin. You can still return if you repent.

The Catholic religion focuses so much on the Pope that he almost becomes an idol (with his infallibility and whatnot). The Bible clearly states that the only infallible one is Jesus Christ, not the Pope.

Again, St. Peter as first Pope and apostolic succession.

So you see, Catholicism may have been founded by Jesus Christ originally, but much of it has been twisted to fit human desires. Don't tell me, "That's not true. Catholicism hasn't changed since the beginning!" If Catholicism hasn't changed, you would be reading the Bible in Latin, not English or French or German. The Catholics opposed the translation of the Bible from Latin and always conducted services in Latin. Martin Luther was excommunciated for translating the Bible into German, because it was forbidden. But obviously, that taboo has changed, hasn't it?

[/catholic rant]

Another misstatement. That was not why Luther was excommunicated; read his theses and you'll see a lot that was incompatible with Church doctrine. I forgot which declaration allowed the use of vernacular; I'll refresh my mind when I have more time. Personally, I'd love to see a return to Latin masses, but that's a subject for a different debate .

If God created the Catholic church as the one true sect of Christianity, why did the Catholic church feel compelled to eradicate all the free thinking Christians? I mean, if you look at it, Jesus was a free thinking Christian. Was he not? He was a revolutionary of the time. So, that would defeat the purpose of eliminating all those Christians during the rule of the Roman Empire. I would love to get into a debate with you about this. Anytime.

Say what now? Eradicate who? Didn't the Roman Empire persecute Christians?

Or are you going to steer the discussion to Galileo?

I'm ready, Fae knows.

In any case, Pax Tectum to both of you! I'm going to bed.

Ugh, I regret taking Japanese over Latin. I need to take a Religious Studies class too.

[y0urelectrikk]

Yes. I am Catholic.

It's the internet. What can one do?

^exactly. not like we can control what people talk about.

[angelrevelation]

I am I don't post in those topics. And I try not to look in them either, unless i'm extremely curious.

[michellerrific]

I guess I am Christian. I don't attend church and i'm not completely devoted, but i follow majority of Christian beliefs.

[*StanleyThePanda*]

I'm a Christian.

But anyways, I don't think you should worry about the what people are talking about on the internet. It shouldn't affect you or concern you, really. It's the internet.

[*Intercourse.*]

^I agree with what Kara said, all of it.

Although to add to her post, you shouldn't care what others think or say over the internet. I think you should more than likely just mind your own business and not worry so much about others in that way. People should be able to be themselves without others tearing them down for it.

[roboticxragdoll]

i be a christian....
yes sirrr