Christians?, with all these post, are there any christians here? Options

[Juris Khan]

is anybody here a Christian, and if so, do you really believe and follow Christ, because with all these posts about having sex and whatnot, it doesn't necessarily sound like it...but i don't want to be judgmental and say that you're not...

[cori-catastrophe]

but in my opinion, i'm my own person and i can make my own decisions, including when and with whom i should have sex. i don't need to follow a book or a person who we have no proof whatsoever even exists. i'm atheist and i don't think that i'll be "punished" for having pre-marital sex.

how many christians do you know that drink? isn't that supposedly against the bible too?

See though. Christians beilieve differently. The question is directed toward Christians because athestiests have no knowledge on this topic.

I know a few Christians that drink. It is their personal desicion. That is kind of the point of Christianity. It means if the devil tempts you & you fall into his trap, it is obviously wrong, but if you have accept Christ as your saviour then you can be forgiven in an instant. It is Christians like that, whom drink or somit other sins while knowing it is wrong during the week & going to church on Sunday/Wednesday & acting like they are worthy Christians, whom give faithful Christians a bad name & a majority of the reason that more & more people are pulling away from Christianity. I never said that drinking & sex WEREN'T described as "bad" in the bible. there are lots of sins that are considered bad, but every human being sins, being Christian or not. I hope that no one takes this the wrong way, but it is really hard to describe what you are saying by simple words in which you can't express much reaction in. Christians are thought to have more disipline than non-Christians because they are more educated on the bible & the information the bible contains. But like I said before, everyone can be forgiven. The only unforgivable sin is blasphamey. Did that make any sence?


And by the way, you said that we have no "proof" that Jesus ever existed. I particially agree with that statement. Everyone has doubts but that is why Christians have to be faithful to their servant. The bible is partical "proof", as call it.

[oka_yonip]

how many christians do you know that drink? isn't that supposedly against the bible too?

drinking (consuming alcohol) isn't against the bible...abusing alcohol is though...

i mean, wine has alcohol in it yet jesus used it in the last supper...

See though. Christians beilieve differently. The question is directed toward Christians because athestiests have no knowledge on this topic.

I know a few Christians that drink. It is their personal desicion. That is kind of the point of Christianity. It means if the devil tempts you & you fall into his trap, it is obviously wrong, but if you have accept Christ as your saviour then you can be forgiven in an instant. It is Christians like that, whom drink or somit other sins while knowing it is wrong during the week & going to church on Sunday/Wednesday & acting like they are worthy Christians, whom give faithful Christians a bad name & a majority of the reason that more & more people are pulling away from Christianity. I never said that drinking & sex WEREN'T described as "bad" in the bible. there are lots of sins that are considered bad, but every human being sins, being Christian or not. I hope that no one takes this the wrong way, but it is really hard to describe what you are saying by simple words in which you can't express much reaction in. Christians are thought to have more disipline than non-Christians because they are more educated on the bible & the information the bible contains. But like I said before, everyone can be forgiven. The only unforgivable sin is blasphamey. Did that make any sence?
And by the way, you said that we have no "proof" that Jesus ever existed. I particially agree with that statement. Everyone has doubts but that is why Christians have to be faithful to their servant. The bible is partical "proof", as call it.

i agree

[cori-catastrophe]

drinking (consuming alcohol) isn't against the bible...abusing alcohol is though...

i mean, wine has alcohol in it yet jesus used it in the last supper...
i agree

Eh. I didn't word it right but I think I got my point across.

[voguelove]

the whole world is pretty much christian.

[cori-catastrophe]

the whole world is pretty much christian.

Not neseccerally. Atheiesm, Satanism, ect. religions are growing.

[Juris Khan]

Not neseccerally. Atheiesm, Satanism, ect. religions are growing.

but at the same time, in the U.S. anyway, there seems to be a mass surge of a growing christian movement...i think that sometime within the next hundred years, we could see the third great awakening

[AngelinaTaylor]

the whole world is pretty much christian.

o.O What about Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Judaism, and Atheism? Although it can be argued that Atheism isn't really a religion.

And those are just some of the major ones.

[cori-catastrophe]

I'm not sure if this will help any, but I thought it was pretty much what you were asking. It was taken from a teen Christian website.

Sex is bad. Sex is wrong. Sex is sinful. Blah, blah, blah… Do any of those sound familiar?
Being a Christian teen it seems you are always bombarded with ‘say no to sex’ advocates. A lot of you have been told that sex is bad, wrong and other negative things.
Well I am here to tell you that sex is NOT bad.
In fact sex is just the opposite. Sex is meant to be a great intimate experience that feels good and shows your love and commitment to each other.
And guess what else? God created sex!
Kind of crazy when you think about sex being a good thing and not the dirty thing it’s made out to be.
God designed sex for a husband and wife to share within marriage.
Teens are told to abstain from sex until marriage.

So basically, it's saying sex is good because God created it & it is meant to show love in marriage. If it is shared outside of marriage, it is a sin, but you CAN be forgiven, like every other sin that you have commited in your life.

[lumpy]

Im a Christian. I try to follow Christ as much as possible, althought its not always as easy as it seems, i still give it a shot.

[*x1227x*]

nope, im not christian. im actually a buddhist.

[Aerosoul]

drinking (consuming alcohol) isn't against the bible...abusing alcohol is though...

i mean, wine has alcohol in it yet jesus used it in the last supper...
i agree

actually drinking alcohol is not bad, but if you get drunk then you commited a sin, that's why its best to not even drink at all sense i can be addicting or you could get drunk, (ps the bible also talks about "dont get addicted to something" im not sure i read it in the bible somewhere...

Actually, I doubt more than a few people are making up stuff to impress people. Honestly, no one really reads through "Are you a virgin" threads like that, unless you have this crazy ass story about how you lost your virginity which is highly unlikely. It's just very, VERY, VERRYYYY common for teenagers to have already lost their virginity before they even enter college these days. And I wouldn't say they would be "punished". Being a Christian is about making mistakes, repenting and asking for forgiveness. If you f**k up and have pre-marital sex, you can decide to be abstinent from that point on and ask God for forgiveness.
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Jerico Drum - Preach it man. I think I love you.
I agree with everything you say from the 2nd paragraph to the end

what the heck! dude no!! Christianity is not about making mistakes and asking for forgiveness if you keep making those same mistakes it shows you dont really care! Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with Christ, Christianity is about loving him and knowing he died and accept that he was reserected. You shouldn't say something you don't know that's true about a religion, because there might be someone out there ready to make you look like a fool, not saying that im trying to just saying it because it could happen.

[Jerico Drum]

actually drinking alcohol is not bad, but if you get drunk then you commited a sin, that's why its best to not even drink at all sense i can be addicting or you could get drunk, (ps the bible also talks about "dont get addicted to something" im not sure i read it in the bible somewhere...
what the heck! dude no!! Christianity is not about making mistakes and asking for forgiveness if you keep making those same mistakes it shows you dont really care! Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with Christ, Christianity is about loving him and knowing he died and accept that he was reserected. You shouldn't say something you don't know that's true about a religion, because there might be someone out there ready to make you look like a fool, not saying that im trying to just saying it because it could happen.

To go alng with the whole its a sin to get drunk thing, the Bible also talks about our body being God's temple and that we should take care of it. So drinking too much or using any drug to much is sin. In fact anything that makes your body unhealthy is sin. Same as overeating. God gave us wonderfull bodies and I think he wants us to keep them in good condition. I know this sounds a bit "extreme" but think of it this way: You spent a lot of energy making the perfect present for someone and they just mess it up. You would be kinda mad and feel disrespected. Well God spent some energy to make these bodies and he put a lot of thought into it, is it right for us to reck it.

And Christianity is based on f**king up. Think about it. If Jesus didn't die on the cross then there would be no christian believe. it would be more like Judaism. Jesus died on the cross because of our f**k ups. Therefor, no f**k ups, no christain. The whole point was that when we mess up we can go to him for forgiveness. Not sure if I said this all right (I have a problem with putting things in my head into words) but I think you might get the point.

P.S. Thanks Brownsugar. You don't know what it means to me to have people agree with me again. In my church I was said to be kinda "radical" so people didn't listen to me after a while.

[Aerosoul]

To go alng with the whole its a sin to get drunk thing, the Bible also talks about our body being God's temple and that we should take care of it. So drinking too much or using any drug to much is sin. In fact anything that makes your body unhealthy is sin. Same as overeating. God gave us wonderfull bodies and I think he wants us to keep them in good condition. I know this sounds a bit "extreme" but think of it this way: You spent a lot of energy making the perfect present for someone and they just mess it up. You would be kinda mad and feel disrespected. Well God spent some energy to make these bodies and he put a lot of thought into it, is it right for us to reck it.

And Christianity is based on f**king up. Think about it. If Jesus didn't die on the cross then there would be no christian believe. it would be more like Judaism. Jesus died on the cross because of our f**k ups. Therefor, no f**k ups, no christain. The whole point was that when we mess up we can go to him for forgiveness. Not sure if I said this all right (I have a problem with putting things in my head into words) but I think you might get the point.

P.S. Thanks Brownsugar. You don't know what it means to me to have people agree with me again. In my church I was said to be kinda "radical" so people didn't listen to me after a while.

I can now see why, please dont use that language around me, im not fond of it and if you do it anyways you are not worthy to be talked to. and no Christianity is not about making mistakes. you however don't seem to know the least bit of what it really means. Anyways you arent proving a point and arent making any sense.

[Jerico Drum]

I can now see why, please dont use that language around me, im not fond of it and if you do it anyways you are not worthy to be talked to. and no Christianity is not about making mistakes. you however don't seem to know the least bit of what it really means. Anyways you arent proving a point and arent making any sense.

God never said don't use the word f**k. Or shit. Or any other curse word. The Bible basicly says not to use words to hurt people. It is not sin for me to say, "f**k that hurt". I am not trying to offend anyone or hurt anyone. But if I say, "f**k you" then thats sin because I say it to hurt you. A lot of christains say the word crap as a sub for shit. But that stupid because crap and shit mean the same thing no matter what way you use it. If we go by most christian logic then crap, heck, ow, darn, etc are all sin language. I curse in a way that is not sin by God (usually), if it is bad to you and other christians, well thats your problem.

[*I Shot JFK*]

go with it, and do what comes natural.

don't worry too much abou tother people.. it'll all work out in the end

[Aerosoul]

God never said don't use the word f**k. Or shit. Or any other curse word. The Bible basicly says not to use words to hurt people. It is not sin for me to say, "f**k that hurt". I am not trying to offend anyone or hurt anyone. But if I say, "f**k you" then thats sin because I say it to hurt you. A lot of christains say the word crap as a sub for shit. But that stupid because crap and shit mean the same thing no matter what way you use it. If we go by most christian logic then crap, heck, ow, darn, etc are all sin language. I curse in a way that is not sin by God (usually), if it is bad to you and other christians, well thats your problem.

Haha if you actually read the bible it says in

James 3:9-12

9With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. 10Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. 11Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.


enough said

Who was talking about the same mistakes? If you read my post I used abstinence as an example. I said making a mistake, asking for forgiveness and being abstinent from that point on. That's called a change.

Plus you can't generalize what Christianity is all about. I can't either. It means different things to different people, just like you can read the bible 10 times and get a different meaning from it every time. There is no definition for Christianity, you define it yourself. Everyone is at a different point in their lives.
Please take your own advice.
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And Aerosoul, you are like the Christian stereotype. The one who thinks they know everything and have it all figured out, so you discriminate on other religions/other ways of thinking. You don't know everything, that's why you have God to help you figure it all out.
You're welcome :)

Great thanks for judging me for your information I do not know it all, and for you to say that I am like a stereotype means that you know it all sense you don't even know me at all. Does that make any sense?

[Juris Khan]

I can now see why, please dont use that language around me, im not fond of it and if you do it anyways you are not worthy to be talked to. and no Christianity is not about making mistakes. you however don't seem to know the least bit of what it really means. Anyways you arent proving a point and arent making any sense.

come on, this isnt the way either. christ was about love. i mean, look at who he hung out with: prostitutes, lepers, and all the other "dregs of society" that no one else would even look at. and he loved on them. he didnt hang out with the "upper crust" he didnt hang out with the priests...he even called the priests, the ones who were supposed to be the most respected and revered, "white-washed walls" and i dont know if you know what the reference is, but when there were celebrations, and one had to be clean to attend, they would go out paint the tombs and graves white so that everyone coming would not accidentally touch a dead body and become unclean...so basically, the priests were good looking on the outside, but rotting on the inside...and these were the people who were supposed to represent God. but they did nothing of the sort. christ showed that we are supposed to love everyone, so if there could be only one word to describe christianity, it would have to be love. second to love would be not sinning...because love would bring that change...love would be the change...anyway, i think i've ranted enough...

[Aerosoul]

You judged me first, haha.

But back to the topic...

When did i judge you first?

come on, this isnt the way either. christ was about love. i mean, look at who he hung out with: prostitutes, lepers, and all the other "dregs of society" that no one else would even look at. and he loved on them. he didnt hang out with the "upper crust" he didnt hang out with the priests...he even called the priests, the ones who were supposed to be the most respected and revered, "white-washed walls" and i dont know if you know what the reference is, but when there were celebrations, and one had to be clean to attend, they would go out paint the tombs and graves white so that everyone coming would not accidentally touch a dead body and become unclean...so basically, the priests were good looking on the outside, but rotting on the inside...and these were the people who were supposed to represent God. but they did nothing of the sort. christ showed that we are supposed to love everyone, so if there could be only one word to describe christianity, it would have to be love. second to love would be not sinning...because love would bring that change...love would be the change...anyway, i think i've ranted enough...

Well that's true but my youth leader said their's no point in arguing, or talking to someone who doesnt really understand God, or doesn't even care for him, he's heard the word and it's his move to go for the goal or not. Do you know what I mean?

[NoSex]

is anybody here a Christian, and if so, do you really believe and follow Christ, because with all these posts about having sex and whatnot, it doesn't necessarily sound like it...but i don't want to be judgmental and say that you're not...

F U C K Y O U.

[Juris Khan]

F U C K Y O U.

really, now, huh? what's this about? what did i do to offend you?

[Jerico Drum]

Haha if you actually read the bible it says in

James 3:9-12

9With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. 10Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. 11Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.
enough said
Great thanks for judging me for your information I do not know it all, and for you to say that I am like a stereotype means that you know it all sense you don't even know me at all. Does that make any sense?

*sigh* Dude, I know what the Bible says (though I will admit I normally don't remember the exact verse) but what I am saying that when the Bible mentions cursing it is talking about words that hurt people. It doesn't say "don't say f**k, shit, etc" . If I hurt my toe and say "f**k that hurt" how am I cursing man? I am not yelling at you. I am yelling at whatever I hit my toe on. Does it offend you if I yell at a chair? I hope not. Now if I said "You stepped on my toe motherf**ker", that is cursing men. Until you can show me a verse that says we should not use certain words to express pain or sadness then don't waste your time trying to counter what I said.

And like I said earlier, and the verse proves it, any words used to curse man is sin. Like calling someone jerk. What is the diff between calling someone an a-hole or jerk? Nothing at all. So if we go by your logic then that must mean that all words that express pain are curse words too. So let me get this straight: Ow is a curse word? Because if all you say is true, then that too is truth. I know it all sounds mixed up, but really think about it and I hope you see what I mean.

[*I Shot JFK*]

^ that's fun logic

[mmhmichelle]

I'm christian :]
and why is everyone getting so pissed about this topic?
pa leeezzzz grow UP.

[bat19]

I'd have to say I'm not a christian though I do believe in God. I just don't like him. I hope that when the judgement day comes, Jesus comes down and he's chinese. That way everybody's wrong. Better yet, a black Asian who is uncircumcised. People will freak out. Then he says something like "I've got a box of puppies for ya. They're all DEAD!!! And starts throwing puppy corpses everywhere. Then people will be running and screaming bloody murder because Blasian Jesus threw dead puppies out of a box labeled J.C. Then God will show up and say, "Yeah son, hit those Mo Fos!!" Then Satan will come up with Black Spiked up hair and wrist bandages on saying "Wow, this is depressing. Life is so meaningless. I wish I was alive. Then I could Die..." Yup. Thats why I dont like God.

[*Uronacid*]

I'd have to say I'm not a christian though I do believe in God. I just don't like him. I hope that when the judgement day comes, Jesus comes down and he's chinese. That way everybody's wrong. Better yet, a black Asian who is uncircumcised. People will freak out. Then he says something like "I've got a box of puppies for ya. They're all DEAD!!! And starts throwing puppy corpses everywhere. Then people will be running and screaming bloody murder because Blasian Jesus threw dead puppies out of a box labeled J.C. Then God will show up and say, "Yeah son, hit those Mo Fos!!" Then Satan will come up with Black Spiked up hair and wrist bandages on saying "Wow, this is depressing. Life is so meaningless. I wish I was alive. Then I could Die..." Yup. Thats why I dont like God.

Omg, thats so f**ked up that Idon't know what to say.. *jaw drops...*