gay marriages, UHHHH!! Options

[strice]

i never said it was banned, i never said to stop. semantics. i said it was ironic that you argue immaturity in such an immature fashion. now this is beginning to follow that same path.

[Spirited Away]

i never said it was banned, i never said to stop. semantics. i said it was ironic that you argue immaturity in such an immature fashion. now this is beginning to follow that same path.

what was immature about arguing for immaturity? are you any more mature for bringing this up? Kind of contradticting yourself there my friend.

deal with it people. just because there are other point of views other than your own doesn't make the person immature.

how does this relate to gay marriages? beats me, but you started it. niner niner niner *rasberries*.

There you have it folks. Immaturity.

Anyway, so why am I immature? Because I'm against gay marriages? Considering that about half of the population (I'm guessing at the stastics here) disagree with gay marriages, there bound to be a lot of immature people walking around.

[strice]

no no no no you're doing it again! thats why i said we're going down the same path, you needn't be so defensive and move on about the bloody topic.

i said it was immature to argue such ridiculous things, not your lame opinions.

and there are a lot of immature people walking around. there's no denying that. our president for one.

[Spirited Away]

no no no no you're doing it again! thats why i said we're going down the same path, you needn't be so defensive and move on about the bloody topic.

i said it was immature to argue such ridiculous things, not your lame opinions.

and there are a lot of immature people walking around. there's no denying that. our president for one.

Very immature of you to point out the flaws of other people only to make yourself feel better.

My opinions about gay marriages are only lame because they go against your high and mighty and righteous ones. (Which I consider lame because you have nothing to back them up with *snickers*).

Who says that I have must be mature when arguing? I don't see you policing other immature people out there. Ah, I must be one of the special ones,

Edit:: Looks who's being 'irrelevent' now, bashing our trying President not in the 'president bashing' topic, but here! What a crime!

Once again, who made you an admin to regulate HOW people should argue? I don't tell you what to do, so it's best that you don't tell me what to do.

[strice]

it wasn't irrelevant, it was an example. i said it was ironic that it was immature. you were arguing immaturity in an immature fashion. ironic. ok? do you know what irony is? need me to explain it to you? hmm? I never told you what to do. you're just being ridiculous. anyways, theres no reason why gay marriages should be wrong besides that rubbish called the bible.

[Spirited Away]

it wasn't irrelevant, it was an example. i said it was ironic that it was immature. you were arguing immaturity in an immature fashion. ironic. ok? do you know what irony is? need me to explain it to you? hmm? I never told you what to do. you're just being ridiculous. anyways, theres no reason why gay marriages should be wrong besides that rubbish called the bible.

*sigh*.. and are you not arguing this immaturily, too, by bringing this whole irrelevant topic up?

Psshhhh, just so you know, pointing out someone's immaturity doesn't make you look very mature. So try to get over it before you make a bigger fool of yourself . At least I got my point across to the person I was arguing with, and you're just blowing hot air at me.

But I don't believe in the Bible, and I still think that it's wrong. Sue me.

[sammi rules you]

this also goes along with the 'whether you believe in God or not' one..

if God makes everyone, and he makes people gay or lesbian or not, then shouldnt they be allowed the same rights under God's eyes as any other person?

some people treat gay and lesbian people as white people treated african american people way back when (and some still do). does our Constitution not say "all men are created equal"? what, gay and lesbian people arent humans or something? all humans deserve the same rights no matter what they believe in.

gay and lesbian people cant help it if theyre gay or lesbian. its just what they are. just like a 3-year-old cant help it if he/she is 3 years old. you cant do anything about it. people should be able to be who they are.

[Spirited Away]

this also goes along with the 'whether you believe in God or not' one..

if God makes everyone, and he makes people gay or lesbian or not, then shouldnt they be allowed the same rights under God's eyes as any other person?

some people treat gay and lesbian people as white people treated african american people way back when (and some still do). does our Constitution not say "all men are created equal"? what, gay and lesbian people arent humans or something? all humans deserve the same rights no matter what they believe in.

gay and lesbian people cant help it if theyre gay or lesbian. its just what they are. just like a 3-year-old cant help it if he/she is 3 years old. you cant do anything about it. people should be able to be who they are.

Good point about the Constitution, but then if all men are created equal and if all men should recieve the same rights, then shouldn't all groups of people be allowed the same rights? Example: incest, the old and young, teachers and students?

[sammi rules you]

hrmm ... i guess im against it. its bad enough w. those straight couples that have this strong urge to display their attraction foh each other ... but i think it would be just downright gross if i had to see gay/lez people doin that ... its just wrong. and extremely inappropriate foh lil kids tah see ... >.< ... but i guess it injustice foh the gay couples that can't get married ... violation of their rights ... soo ... ehh ... im against it anywayz .....

sorry, just saw this one..

its wrong for little kids to see gay/lesbian people display attraction, but not straight people? what, the kids might be gay when they grow up? oh, what a tragedy.

[Spirited Away]

sorry, just saw this one..

its wrong for little kids to see gay/lesbian people display attraction, but not straight people? what, the kids might be gay when they grow up? oh, what a tragedy.

I get annoyed by all explicit display of affection, straight or not.

Kids shouldn't be subjected to those situations until they mature a bit more.

[sammi rules you]

Good point about the Constitution, but then if all men are created equal and if all men should recieve the same rights, then shouldn't all groups of people be allowed the same rights? Example: incest, the old and young, teachers and students?

the difference between the rights of the old and the young and stuff are not natural rights. getting married and such is a natural right that all should be able to enjoy. life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - natural rights as well. people limit children and such from things because it is for their safety. some things, such as driving and getting a job, arent natural rights.

[Spirited Away]

the difference between the rights of the old and the young and stuff are not natural rights. getting married and such is a natural right that all should be able to enjoy. life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - natural rights as well. people limit children and such from things because it is for their safety. some things, such as driving and getting a job, arent natural rights.

But are you saying that it's a natural right to marry or natural right to love?

Not all unions between old and young would be bad. How would we know if it's any safer for a 16 year old girl to marry mature 30 year old guy than the girl marrying someone her age? What if they are truly in love, like in the case with homosexual couples?

If driving and getting a job makes people happy, then it's in their 'natural right' to be happy driving or getting a job. Therefore, driving and getting a job is an indirect natural right.

[illyria]

Good point about the Constitution, but then if all men are created equal and if all men should recieve the same rights, then shouldn't all groups of people be allowed the same rights? Example: incest, the old and young, teachers and students?

that's completely differnent. we're talking about the sexuality of the person. which is the sole reason that all this discrimination is being based on. that a woman cannot marry another woman. and a man can't marry another man. but if gay marriages were legal your examples would still be illegal, an older sister could not marry a younger sister, a 30 year old woman could not marry a 16 year old girl, a male teacher could not date his boy student. it still applies the same way as it does now. your examples are not based on the sexuality of the person. whether they're homosexual or not. it has to do with age mostly and sharing the same blood. now that is getting off topic...

[Spirited Away]

that's completely differnent. we're talking about the sexuality of the person. which is the sole reason that all this discrimination is being based on. that a woman cannot marry another woman. and a man can't marry another man. but if gay marriages were legal your examples would still be illegal, an older sister could not marry a younger sister, a 30 year old woman could not marry a 16 year old girl, a male teacher could not date his boy student. it still applies the same way as it does now. your examples are not based on the sexuality of the person. whether they're homosexual or not. it has to do with age mostly and sharing the same blood. now that is getting off topic...

How is it off topic if we're talking about rights that are in the Constitution? If it's homosexual's right to marry, as most of you are saying, then shouldn't that right extend to all groups of people?

My examples do not have to be based on sexuality, because I can just based them on the rights of the people (generalize it). It's still very valid. You're just trying to rule it out because you have no antithesis for it. Don't be a kill joy.

[iheartsimba]

they can choose what they wanna do.
and you honestly can't help who you are attracted to.
some people are actually...well born gay belive it or not.

I don't find anyhting wrong with it and i agree with the first post, it will decrease the population and help with adoption because most gay couples like to adopt.

i don't think there is anything wrong with it, and i find it acutally beautiful



//edit//
"Please remember, not everyone thinks like you. People have their ways of thinking and perspectives. Let's respect each other's thoughts and responses. "

yes so lets please stop the fighting =/

[Spirited Away]

they can choose what they wanna do.
and you honestly can't help who you are attracted to.
some people are actually...well born gay belive it or not.

It's still not proven whether or not being gay is due to a biological cause.

It's true that you can't help who you are attracted. I will yield to that. But what about a young girl being attracted to an old man? Or a student in love with a teacher? Or a brother to a sister?

I don't find anyhting wrong with it and i agree with the first post, it will decrease the population and help with adoption because most gay couples like to adopt.

War also decreases the population, but not too many people agree with it (of course for the most obvious reasons).

and i find it acutally beautiful

Agreed. Love is a beautiful thing, so why let everyone love as they wish?

[sammi rules you]

But are you saying that it's a natural right to marry or natural right to love?

Not all unions between old and young would be bad. How would we know if it's any safer for a 16 year old girl to marry mature 30 year old guy than the girl marrying someone her age? What if they are truly in love, like in the case with homosexual couples?

If driving and getting a job makes people happy, then it's in their 'natural right' to be happy driving or getting a job. Therefore, driving and getting a job is an indirect natural right.

the limits put on those are to keep people safe. driving is not a natural right. many think that children are not responsible enough to drive. i, personally, think that people should be tested to see if they are responsible enough as soon as theyre tall enough, but thats off topic..

the big question im asking is why should straight people be allowed to get married, and not gay/lesbian people? both are people. what is the difference between a straight couple and a gay/lesbian couple? why is it wrong for gay/lesbian people to get married? what is the big problem?

I get annoyed by all explicit display of affection, straight or not.

Kids shouldn't be subjected to those situations until they mature a bit more.

i agree with you on that one. i was just commenting on that person saying its ok for kids to see straight people, but not gay/lesbian people.

[illyria]

they can choose what they wanna do.
and you honestly can't help who you are attracted to.
some people are actually...well born gay belive it or not.

I don't find anyhting wrong with it and i agree with the first post, it will decrease the population and help with adoption because most gay couples like to adopt.

i don't think there is anything wrong with it, and i find it acutally beautiful



//edit//
"Please remember, not everyone thinks like you. People have their ways of thinking and perspectives. Let's respect each other's thoughts and responses. "

yes so lets please stop the fighting =/

i totally agree!
i say mix the races! and mix the sexes!

[Spirited Away]

the limits put on those are to keep people safe. driving is not a natural right. many think that children are not responsible enough to drive. i, personally, think that people should be tested to see if they are responsible enough as soon as theyre tall enough, but thats off topic..

the big question im asking is why should straight people be allowed to get married, and not gay/lesbian people? both are people. what is the difference between a straight couple and a gay/lesbian couple? why is it wrong for gay/lesbian people to get married? what is the big problem?



i agree with you on that one. i was just commenting on that person saying its ok for kids to see straight people, but not gay/lesbian people.

I'm not going to argue that they shouldn't marry because it is indeed true that you cannot help who you love.

The only thing I'm aiming for now is justice. If one group of people can marry, why not another? Their love isn't so different as straight people or gay people.

<-- must work now. debate later. have a nice day peopel!!

[Spirited Away]

i totally agree!
i say mix the races! and mix the sexes!

look who's being off topic now? we're talking about sexes not races.

sorry i had to point that out, but being off topic once and a while is justify if it helps to get the point across.

[illyria]

It's still not proven whether or not being gay is due to a biological cause.
It's true that you can't help who you are attracted. I will yield to that. But what about a young girl being attracted to an old man? Or a student in love with a teacher? Or a brother to a sister?

how do you know you're straight? all you know is that when you hit puberty that you were attracted to boys/girls. (notrealsurewhatyouare. sorry.) it's really nothing you can explain. just a feeling from within that you have. a natural feeling. homosexuals cannot help who they are. all they kno is who they are attracted to. just like a boy knows that girls get him excited. well a girl growing up might realized that guys just don't do anything for her. but girls do.

War also decreases the population, but not too many people agree with it (of course for the most obvious reasons).

war kills people, doy doy. ooh yes let us decrease the population that way!!! it's a weak attempt to try and belittle iheartsimba's argument.

Agreed. Love is a beautiful thing, so why let everyone love as they wish?

okay. even i don't understand this one. you're gonna have to explain it to me... is there supposed to be a "not" in between the "why" and "let" yeah just not gettin it... ignorance is a wonderful thing

[illyria]

look who's being off topic now? we're talking about sexes not races.

sorry i had to point that out, but being off topic once and a while is justify if it helps to get the point across.

point made. point made.

[School_Boy]

Well being gay is kinda gross.....but i guess theres nothing wrong with it.....I mean it may not be normal......wait? Is it normal or not normal to be gay? N e ways......its nature......who cares if someones gay or not......well all im trying to say is that im not against it

[strice]

*sigh*.. and are you not arguing this immaturily, too, by bringing this whole irrelevant topic up?

Psshhhh, just so you know, pointing out someone's immaturity doesn't make you look very mature. So try to get over it before you make a bigger fool of yourself . At least I got my point across to the person I was arguing with, and you're just blowing hot air at me.

But I don't believe in the Bible, and I still think that it's wrong. Sue me.

ok dumbass, i said very clearly that we're going down the same damn path, but you just act liek you know what the hell you're talking about. maybe you should go make sure you get the dumb out before you come to these forums.

[Spirited Away]

ok dumbass, i said very clearly that we're going down the same damn path, but you just act liek you know what the hell you're talking about. maybe you should go make sure you get the dumb out before you come to these forums.

Okay Mr. Smart ass . At least I can argue, and all you know is to curse and whine. Maybe you you should grow up before coming to these forums.

Don't whine and call people names just because you can't get your point across. It's very 'immature'.

EDIT

how do you know you're straight? all you know is that when you hit puberty that you were attracted to boys/girls. (notrealsurewhatyouare. sorry.) it's really nothing you can explain. just a feeling from within that you have. a natural feeling. homosexuals cannot help who they are. all they kno is who they are attracted to. just like a boy knows that girls get him excited. well a girl growing up might realized that guys just don't do anything for her. but girls do.

That's fine with me. But then just like you said, you can't help who you love. Well, what if a 14 year old girl decided that she loves a man thrice her age? Or a brother decides that his sister is the world to him and cannot live without her? Same cases. They all love each other, and cannot help to be who they are. So why do we give right to one group of lovers and not the other?

If I'm being unfair for my disagreement with gay marriages, you guys are being unfair for not agreeing with love between other groups of people. We all discriminate. Not just me.

I'm open to your opinions because you all have convinced me that it is too true that one cannot choose who they love. But to say that homosexuals have more rights to love each other than a brother and sister do, that's not fair either.

war kills people, doy doy. ooh yes let us decrease the population that way!!!  it's a weak attempt to try and belittle iheartsimba's argument.

You just resonded to a rhetorical statement. Good for you. But next time, try to read the stuff in the paranthesis before saying something like that. It's a weak attempt to try and belittle my arguement.

okay. even i don't understand this one. you're gonna have to explain it to me...  is there supposed to be a "not" in between the "why" and "let"  yeah just not gettin it... ignorance is a wonderful thing

Right, you got me there. There is a 'not' between those words. Though, I thought that was obvious, too.