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 Nov 9 2006, 02:35 AM
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QUOTE(salcha4u @ Nov 7 2006, 10:41 PM)  I wasn't talking about YOU, I was talking about people in general without adobe programs since you stated that fact before. Moderators have to follow CERTAIN RULES for approval, most of those pictures don't even FIT and are USELESS. QUOTE SWA, if you don't have an adobe program, then don't make graphics. Also, I've seen amazing things made on paint.  Um. Okay. I understand that.
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| *a painefull euphoria* |
Nov 9 2006, 03:11 AM
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you cant be that biased against ms paint.
there are many things you can do with paint. i have paint shop pro 8 and photoshop but i do use ms paint. and have come to learn that some of the features are really nice i made my siggy and avatar using ms paint |and many people are suprised about that  |the only thing i didon photoshop was the fire brush and the text. i understand the point being made but the real concern should be that when using paint you should actualy try hard on paint not make crappy single colored backgrounds and contrasting shapes.yeah that shit take 2 seconds.or my personal favorite the rainbow stripes. that might have takne a person 2 mins longer.  but if it really looks like you gave a shit and actualy earned your way as a official graffic designer why not use paint? |
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Nov 9 2006, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(a painefull euphoria @ Nov 9 2006, 12:11 AM) you cant be that biased against ms paint. there are many things you can do with paint. i have paint shop pro 8 and photoshop but i do use ms paint. and have come to learn that some of the features are really nice i made my siggy and avatar using ms paint |and many people are suprised about that |the only thing i didon photoshop was the fire brush and the text. i understand the point being made but the real concern should be that when using paint you should actualy try hard on paint not make crappy single colored backgrounds and contrasting shapes.yeah that shit take 2 seconds.or my personal favorite the rainbow stripes. that might have takne a person 2 mins longer. but if it really looks like you gave a shit and actualy earned your way as a official graffic designer why not use paint? I have never evereverever said anything against MS Paint. I use that program to do a lot of editing too, hence why I said that it is not impossible to make good graphics on MS Paint. Making three lines = 1 minute. |
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| *digital.fragrance* |
Nov 9 2006, 09:30 PM
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MS Paint can be stretched to the limit, and like she said, I haven't seen anythign against it, either. It just seems that a lot of graphics made in it aren't very hard at all... and really really really simple.
So basically, this is a against-really-simple-graphics thread, not an against-MS Paint thread. |
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Nov 10 2006, 08:10 AM
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 say maydayism. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,447 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 26,344 |
IN REFERENCE TO TOYA'S POST:
Actually, the Graphics Resources subforum was recently set up, right? Well, I don't really understand clearly what can be posted in the forum or not. So perhaps, a few more guidelines/rules should be set there. Just a suggestion. And also, I understand your viewpoint. However, I think these simple backgrounds should only count as 1/2 a graphic when it comes to official designer application. Why? Although some people may have spent a lot of time on making these backgrounds, I think the complicated banners/vectors/etc. people submit should deserve more respect than simpler graphics. We all know how much more effort people need to put in them. Hence, mods really need to be careful on this matter. Maybe what I meant by "something everyone can make" was not clear enough. I didn't mean that we should eliminate photos/icons. I was talking about banners and more of the complicated graphics. I take banners as an example. Everyone can open MS Paint, fill in the background and add some simple text onto a banner-sized graphic. You hardly need any effort to create this "banner". Hence, I don't think such simple graphics deserve to be on cB resources at all. I emphasize once more, that, cB should offer the best (or at least fairly good) graphics on the Internet. Graphics that just look decent and not ugly are not good enough. I thought we tried to upper cB's resources standard a little bit during the last house-cleaning session? I hope we're not going back to where we started off. I do not wish to see cB becoming a typical, average blog resources site. |
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Nov 10 2006, 11:41 AM
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^ On the designer application - it has to be 50 Unique Graphics... when we made that rule a long time ago, we made it "50" to account for how easy it to many certain things, and the "unique-ness" so that they all aren't simple backgrounds.
Bu eh,  I agree about the simple backgrounds... Actually, I really don't think we need them. |
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Nov 10 2006, 11:46 AM
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t-t-t-toyaaa Group: Official Member Posts: 19,821 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 11,270 |
QUOTE And also, I understand your viewpoint. However, I think these simple backgrounds should only count as 1/2 a graphic when it comes to official designer application. Why? Although some people may have spent a lot of time on making these backgrounds, I think the complicated banners/vectors/etc. people submit should deserve more respect than simpler graphics. We all know how much more effort people need to put in them. Hence, mods really need to be careful on this matter. I don't have anything against that. QUOTE Maybe what I meant by "something everyone can make" was not clear enough. I didn't mean that we should eliminate photos/icons. I was talking about banners and more of the complicated graphics. I take banners as an example. Everyone can open MS Paint, fill in the background and add some simple text onto a banner-sized graphic. You hardly need any effort to create this "banner". Hence, I don't think such simple graphics deserve to be on cB resources at all. But all I'm saying is this some look like they don't have much effort to them, and trust me the times I do go through the graphics I don't accept them, but then some that are accepted look simple but some people actually try to make them etc. Banners like simple text, etc , I completely agree with you. I was going on to more blend type banners with just some simple text. mmhmm. QUOTE I thought we tried to upper cB's resources standard a little bit during the last house-cleaning session? Well that was the goal for layouts and graphics , but as I even began to notice some are just being accepted. I'm totally up for another house cleaning thing anyway. But I don't see a problem if we wait a few weeks or a month before doing it.. |
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Nov 10 2006, 04:24 PM
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t-t-t-toyaaa Group: Official Member Posts: 19,821 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 11,270 |
Different mods have different opinions. So if you feel that way, thats well interesting. But all I can say is if you want to know why your stuff is denied you have the right to ask.
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Nov 10 2006, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(salcha4u @ Nov 8 2006, 6:53 PM) Maybe you should just give feedback for layouts but not graphics. Why? Everyone needs feedback, don't you think?
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Nov 10 2006, 06:00 PM
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Hmmm... working on that ;D
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Nov 10 2006, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE(Madame C @ Nov 10 2006, 2:15 PM) Why? Everyone needs feedback, don't you think? Layouts take more time to make. I'm sure a lot of people can figure out what's wrong with their graphics just by looking at the submission guidelines. Would you guys (as mods) want to give feedback on every graphic anyway? |
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Nov 10 2006, 06:07 PM
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Perhaps a routine house cleaning or review of graphics should happen. There are so many graphics that are submitted and different moderators are going through the queue at different times and each might have a unique interpretation regarding what should and should not be accepted. Typically (and Mona suggested this at one point, I believe) when someone is going through the queue they should have a window up with the graphics queue and another window up with the submission guidelines. Go through it like it was a checklist. The rest is/can be subjective.
If we have a periodic review then perhaps another pair of eyes (or a few) can see a graphic that ought not have been accepted in the first place and clean house a bit. |
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Nov 10 2006, 07:01 PM
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t-t-t-toyaaa Group: Official Member Posts: 19,821 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 11,270 |
QUOTE(salcha4u @ Nov 10 2006, 3:06 PM) Layouts take more time to make. I'm sure a lot of people can figure out what's wrong with their graphics just by looking at the submission guidelines. Would you guys (as mods) want to give feedback on every graphic anyway? Everyone wants feedback. I think there are topics in here with people complaining that they don't get feedback. Everyone wants there feedback. If we don't give it , we still get all these pms asking why we didn't in the first place. So we have to go back , and tell them why. Its much easier giving it then. |
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Nov 10 2006, 09:10 PM
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Tell them to suck it up.
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Nov 10 2006, 10:16 PM
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why not have everyone that can accept graphics go through and rate it on a scale of one to ten. all those failing to reach a certain number on average gets rejected. you dont have to do it when its accepted, but as a house cleaning thing.
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Nov 11 2006, 01:32 AM
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Do you have any idea how many graphics go through everyday? How tedious would that be? And even then, you would have to wait for everyone else to rate it.
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Nov 11 2006, 09:25 AM
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 Starving Artist Group: Official Designer Posts: 444 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 437,344 |
QUOTE(toyo loco @ Nov 10 2006, 6:01 PM) Everyone wants feedback. I think there are topics in here with people complaining that they don't get feedback. Everyone wants there feedback. If we don't give it , we still get all these pms asking why we didn't in the first place. So we have to go back , and tell them why. Its much easier giving it then. I've tried submitting both layouts and icons, and gotten both rejected. I've never gotten feedback on either type, just that little form message, but quite frankly I'd rather see feedback on layouts than the icons. Icons are basically what I do when I get bored or have some time to kill, so if they get accepted, great, if not, oh well. (I know everyone else is probably different, but that's my take on it.) But like someone up there mentioned, layouts take a while to make, and I'd really like to know why they were rejected. Not because I'm mad that they were, I'd just like to know what I need to be working on so I can make them better. |
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Nov 11 2006, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(salcha4u @ Nov 11 2006, 12:32 AM) Do you have any idea how many graphics go through everyday? How tedious would that be? And even then, you would have to wait for everyone else to rate it. well then, we could just keep complaining. 
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Nov 11 2006, 05:57 PM
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Or find a more efficient idea.
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Nov 11 2006, 06:02 PM
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Why reject the stripes and dots?
I mean, isn't that what the graphic category of Minimal is for? |
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Nov 11 2006, 06:12 PM
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they are hideous
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Nov 11 2006, 06:15 PM
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^ Wow, and what qualifies you to say this?
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Nov 11 2006, 06:36 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 145 Joined: May 2006 Member No: 416,166 |
QUOTE(salcha4u @ Nov 11 2006, 4:57 PM) Or find a more efficient idea. well, no one else has come up with one so let's start back at square one and bitch some more.
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Nov 11 2006, 06:40 PM
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^And what exactly is that going to do?
There's nothing that the staff can do, except for work harder and know what is against the rules and what isn't against them. And also for members to start reading the guidlines and not submit things that go against the rules. So if you guys just bitch more and more then nothing is going to happen except cause more internet drama to the suitation which is something no one wants. |
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