Can you prove that the Bible is authentic? That there's truely no Contradictions, If there even 1 contradiction, the Bible is not authentic. Options

[datass]

This is probably off topic.

But I've always thought Noah's Ark story was extremely ridiculous...(not trying to bash Christianity)

[chasingvictory]

i assume that you are muslim.. that website: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ has things on the QURAN too..... http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm So that whole thing about wrong stuff in the bible... well according to the website the quran as some wrong stuff too.

[kimmytree]

This is probably off topic.

But I've always thought Noah's Ark story was extremely ridiculous...(not trying to bash Christianity)

Me too. I believe in the Bible, for the most part, but why the heck would God have wanted to destroy the earth? The whole flood thing sounds ridiculous to me. And how would it have been possible to take two of each species on to the Ark? Wouldnt different breeds of animals be located in different parts of the world? What about the polar bears?

[Kontroll]

Who cares anymore. No one on this forum is smart enough to persuade any one else besides Acid Bath Slayer. Everyone else just says 'Yes that's true,' or 'No, that's complete crap.' Why bother even arguing about a subject or subjects that no one really know's much about?

[dustinisawesome]

ok, about the inconsistencie, (i spelled that sooo wrong!) a reason that everything doesn't flow exactly from one author to another is that each author was from a different place at different time periods all raised up differently. each verse, etc, written by each author is slightly different from another because each other would take a story and slighty exagerate in it like a legend or myth, and besides that, they would mix in parts about their own past experiences to emphasyze a point. just like books nowadays. you get some books. you guy a stephen king book and a goosebumps book. both books might tell the same story, but they're gonna be written differently because of the authors' writing style.
and you shouldn't bash faith, merely agree, disagree, or question it. but don't run it down. i have great respect with people who have faith. faith is believing something hard to believe in or believing in something that you don't really want to believe in.
but that was a very good point brough up earlier....if the bible contains such a great number of metaphors then how are we to believe the earth flooded or heaven and hell existed? that was a VERY good point! i don't think the bible should be taken completely litterally though, because some things in the bible are physically impossible....well...i guess if it deals with god then physics aren't an issue. but what i'm trying to say is that nobody's opinon of the bible is right or wrong because nobody truely knows who's right or not. I hate it when people say they KNOW the bible is real. i've got nothing against christians...but you do NOT in anyways know whether you're right or wrong about anything in this world. same goes for people that "KNOW" the bible is wrong too. no, you don't know anything.
anyways, i believe point made. and lots of typing.
so now i'mma stop.

[Spirited Away]

^ I'm glad someone think so. I've heard someone else, a Christian, mentioned that the Bible has metaphors, too, but that of course, lead to my current quandary. Though, if the Bible isn't taken literally, then the crux of the problem would be questioning how true the religion is set up as it is today.


JakeKKing, saying that Acid Bath Slayer, or Nate, is the only one who is smart enough to participate in these discussions reduce the rest of us to bumbling idiots. While I respect that Nate is intelligent and that he has made considerable contributions, I highly resent that comment.

[espressive]

Can you prove the Qur'an has absolutely no faults within itself? Can you prove the existance of Allah?

No, you can't. Religions are based on faith. Don't ask me to justify my faith when you can't even justify yours.

[vash1530]

^no one can justify faith...dur

[espressive]

^

The authentity of the Bible, I meant... if he can't even prove that the Qur'ran is authentic.

[QueenAkahsa]

Hmm..
I read this book, once.
About contradictions and proof.
I cannot remember much of it, or the author, but I'll look for it these days, and recommend it.
You'll see just how stupidly the Bible contradicts itself throughout the entire "story".
On countless occassions.

[kimmytree]

Hmm..
I read this book, once.
About contradictions and proof.
I cannot remember much of it, or the author, but I'll look for it these days, and recommend it.
You'll see just how stupidly the Bible contradicts itself throughout the entire "story".
On countless occassions.

Ooooh, please let us know what the book is called.



I'd love to read it.

[smoke]

^ As would I.

You'll see just how stupidly the Bible contradicts itself throughout the entire "story".
On countless occassions.

Mind providing some examples back up with fact? That's a pretty bold statment. (Haha, I bolded the bold... I'm sorry. I'll stop. )

[Simba]

^ Ha ha Brenden.

And yeah, I agree with Brenden.
Authors will try to get you to believe that what they say in their books is true. Unless you've had a good amount of prior knowledge about the subject, you may fall for what they say because of the "facts" (whether they be true or not) back it up well.

[EnderSSoGC]

I know we are supposed to debate ourselves rather than post links...but, I could not remember/do not have time to list the inconsistencies I know of and they're all here anyway. So, if you have time...here is a list of many inconsistencies that have been found in the Bible.
Bible Inconsistencies

One I'll point out is this:

And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
- Genesis 22:1

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
- James 1:13

"He's testing us," is always such a popular excuse for the bad things that happen in life. We all know God tested Abraham and Moses...and yet here he is saying he tests no man. I'd say that's a contradiction. So, yes there are contradictions. And I'm not sure authentic is exactly the word you're going for...but, I think it's safe to say these Biblical scholars were not told the Bible word for word from thier God. For God is omniscient and would therefore prevent these inconsistencies, yes?

And just for fun:
Qur'an Inconsistencies

[Spirited Away]

Authors will try to get you to believe that what they say in their books is true. Unless you've had a good amount of prior knowledge about the subject, you may fall for what they say because of the "facts" (whether they be true or not) back it up well.

I can say the same about the Bible, or any other holy texts that claim to be the only truth.

[Simba]

^ Exactly.

Which is why you have to be open-minded about everything else.

[NoSex]

^ Exactly.

Which is why you have to be open-minded about everything else.

Let's talk about a standard of evidence though.
When someone tells you a book contradicts itself, that is certainly something that is easily feasible.
When someone tells you that a man walked on water, healed the sick, rose the dead, turned water to wine, and raised himself from the dead, among other things, you tend to want to raise a brow.

Let's stay open minded, for serious.
How could we ever possibly prove that a man did all those things 2,000 years ago? What reason do we have to believe such nonsense over any other similiar nonsense? Open minds are great, but, once you start believing all that humbug you might want to check exactly how "open" your mind is.

[quinntastic]

People always argue this point about the Bible having contradictions. It's not like if someone proves to you Christianity is real and working in their life that you're automatically going to convert. People are going to believe what they want to believe regardless.

[kimmytree]

Let's talk about a standard of evidence though.
When someone tells you a book contradicts itself, that is certainly something that is easily feasible.
When someone tells you that a man walked on water, healed the sick, rose the dead, turned water to wine, and raised himself from the dead, among other things, you tend to want to raise a brow.

Let's stay open minded, for serious.
How could we ever possibly prove that a man did all those things 2,000 years ago? What reason do we have to believe such nonsense over any other similiar nonsense? Open minds are great, but, once you start believing all that humbug you might want to check exactly how "open" your mind is.

Very well said.

But, being at a Christian school, I'm being taught that I and anyone else who "chooses" not to believe is surely damned. Its not like people intentionaly choose not to believe for the heck of it. Its just all too far fetched to me.

So many people are taught that, and its really sad that people are being scared into believing that.

[vash1530]

this is funny because I recetly had a socratic seminar in a literature class with the main question centering around the belief and morals of religion. THis is funny because many of the kids that were programmed...urm...raised into believing in s religion, when told to discuss and think seriously about their religion, the questions (that sadly have no answers) started pouring out.just a random side note.

[AngelinaTaylor]

It's funny; the smartest people I know are mostly atheists and agnostics.

But anyway. One thing I've been thinking about:

Do you think knowledge is subject to change? Does Knowledge (capital K, since Knowledge and knowledge are different things) change? God is "omniscient", right? He knows everything. However, if Knowledge changes, how can god still be omniscient?

If you (for a lack of better word) believe that Knowledge changes, you can't possibly have a belief in god.

[sdingfelder]

Unfortunately, your logic's a bit flawed:
The "knowledge" (based on your use of capital "K") of man is definitely subject to change, but you're assuming that God's Knowledge changes. I can only assume that, since you don't believe in the God of the Bible, you believe nothing exists that has complete Knowledge.

Even the smartest people you know (the atheists and agnostics) hardly know anything in terms of all the possible things to know. Even if you give each of them the benefit of the doubt and say they know 1% of EVERYTHING there is to know, they'd have to admit that they are ignorant of FAR MORE than they're knowledgable of.

In the HUGE majority of what they don't know resides the singular Truth of God. If these smartest people you know took the time to read and honestly seek His Truth, they just might find it.

Here are some examples of how man's knowledge has changed and -- surprise -- it's aligned with God's Knowledge:
THE BIBLE (2,000–3,000 years ago) The earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22).
SCIENCE THEN The earth was a flat disk.
SCIENCE NOW The earth is a sphere.

THE BIBLE (2,000–3,000 years ago) Innumerable stars (Jeremiah 33:22).
SCIENCE THEN Only 1,100 stars.
SCIENCE NOW Innumerable stars.

THE BIBLE (2,000–3,000 years ago) Free float of earth in space (Job 26:7).
SCIENCE THEN Earth sat on a large animal.
SCIENCE NOW Free float of earth in space.

THE BIBLE (2,000–3,000 years ago) Creation made of invisible elements (Hebrews11:3).
SCIENCE THEN Science was ignorant on the subject.
SCIENCE NOW Creation made of invisible elements (atoms).

THE BIBLE (2,000–3,000 years ago) Each star is different (1 Corinthians 15:41).
SCIENCE THEN All stars were the same.
SCIENCE NOW Each star is different.

THE BIBLE (2,000–3,000 years ago) Light moves (Job 38:19,20).
SCIENCE THEN Light was fixed in place.
SCIENCE NOW Light moves.

THE BIBLE (2,000–3,000 years ago) Air has weight (Job 28:25).
SCIENCE THEN Air was weightless.
SCIENCE NOW Air has weight.

THE BIBLE (2,000–3,000 years ago) Winds blow in cyclones (Ecclesiastes 1:6).
SCIENCE THEN Winds blew straight.
SCIENCE NOW Winds blow in cyclones.

THE BIBLE (2,000–3,000 years ago) Blood is the source of life and health (Leviticus 17:11).
SCIENCE THEN Sick people must be bled.
SCIENCE NOW Blood is the source of life and health.

THE BIBLE (2,000–3,000 years ago) Ocean floor contains deep valleys and mountains (2 Samuel 22:16; Jonah 2:6).
SCIENCE THEN The ocean floor was flat.
SCIENCE NOW Ocean floor contains deep valleys and mountains.

THE BIBLE (2,000–3,000 years ago) Ocean contains springs (Job 38:16).
SCIENCE THEN Ocean fed only by rivers and rain.
SCIENCE NOW Ocean contains springs.

THE BIBLE (2,000–3,000 years ago) When dealing with disease, hands should be washed under running water (Leviticus 15:13).
SCIENCE THEN Hands washed in still water.
SCIENCE NOW When dealing with disease, hands should be washed under running water.

By the way, your agnostic friends really should come up with another name for themselves since the true meaning of the word "agnostic" ("a" meaning the lack of, and "gnosis" meaning knowledge) labels them immediately as having no knowledge. Very much like to "muse" on something means to ponder or to think, "amuse" means the lack of thinking. This is why they're called "amusement" parks...

[splitnightsky]

I guess we are taking this as
"is the Bible true to the point of Christianity and creationism"
so I will take it from there.

Christianity and Creationism = a theory.
theory = a conjecture put forth as a possible explanation of phenomena or relations,
which serves as a basis of argument or experimentation to reach the truth

but I cannot "prove" this to you scientifically,
because you can choose to dismiss it all as coincidence.
however, since it is a theory,
you cannot disprove it.

knowledge never changes.
our breach of knowledge changes, yes.
but as the person before me said;
the world has always been round.
we were just too dumb to know.
the sun is the center of the solar system.
it's always been true,
we as humans just didn't realize it.

after all, how much of our brain do we use?
the capacity is there.
however, the breach is not.
knowledge never changes.
we change our views on knowledge.

the end of my tyraid. whew.
I am so sorry if you don't agree.
but I didn't ever ask for anyone to

[sdingfelder]

I'm a bit confused. You say that you "believe the Bible can be a hard issue of fact." So, you believe it is true. You then say that each person has their own theory -- which implies that your belief in the Bible is mere theory.

Which is it ? Do you believe the Bible as truth or do you think it's just a theory to which you subscribe at this time in your life ??

Do you believe that there is such a thing as Absolute Truth ? Isn't it important to not only find it, but to help others to find it once you've found it yourself ?

[PandaKnight14]

I have an attached disproof of the flood, copied from some site or another by another message board poster, being passed on by me:

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