God Options

[*CEP*]

I think the reason we are all so differant is b/c an awesome God above created each of us special ((sound like a kindgergarden teacher... woahhh)) i mean the rest of it doesnt make sense to me....but God does....i mean He has power to do anything and everything so it makes sense that He could create us as indivduals....but i mean an explosion...the same thing must have happened rite to everyone that was "created" by it....so y is everyone not identical? yes i mean partly like genetics....so u say genes...i take u back further now...how did our ancestors get differant genese in the first place? if the explosion happened shuldnt they all b the same?

Okay, once again, the exlposion did NOT make us, our ancestors, or any life form before that. It created matter. That is all.
Hell, we can even take it a step further. Look at the planets, they are made from matter, are they not? They are different, are they not?

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[oOyunieOo]

So if he had that power, then why don't I believe in him?
Why does he persecute those who doesn't believe in him?
Didn't he have the power to control the way we were from the begining?
And I meant no offense from what I said earlier. Just trying to make a point. Thousand apologies if it offended you in any way, shape, or form.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

It's your personal choice.

He doesn't persecute them. He allows it to happen because he knows that it will make them stronger believers, or it will get them to heaven with him faster.. I don't know the mind of God (nobody does). Also, matyrs are great role models for Christians in how they lived there lives.

Sure he had the power. But he wanted us to choose. What kind of relationship would there be if we had no choice? It would be kind of like a dictatorship.

Hey it's alright..... no offense taken.

[oOyunieOo]

Then how would we even know we have those abilities if we never got a chance to discover them. As in, if I have the innate abilityswim real well, but I live in a desert all my life and had no access to a large body of water and learn this ability... what's the point

What's the point is right... gosh this isn't even on topic. But, whats the use of exploring "what ifs"... these can be debated for hours. And I have finals tomorrow, so I have to go in a few.

[*CEP*]

i answered u lol i said both...like if u wanna say genes then how come all genese rnt the same?? n if its individuality tell me its b/c u make ur own choices but how come all our brains dunt make the same ones if they r created differantly...n if its b/c we r taught differantly by parents or whom ever....how come all the teachers have differant ways off teaching?

See, your mother has her chromosomes and so does your father. Now, both chromosomes are different. Each contain instructions to how the baby will be made. And since your mom and dad just has SOOOOO many traits, not all of them will be included on your DNA. For example, your mom doesn't have asthma, your dad does. You might not have asthma, your sibling might. You see? We're not all created the same.

*b/c He gives you freewill
*The reason u go to hell is b/c God cant be near evil...on the cross Jesus said "my *Father why have You forsaken me" it was b/c God culdnt bear to see all that eveil cast upon His Son...
*yes, and He gave us freewill frum then...even in the garden...n He banned Adam n Eve b/c they went against His will...He punished them yet loved them

Okay, so he gives us free-will, but vows eternal damnation if we don't believe in him? Not much of a "free-will" now is it?

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[Spirited Away]

i answered u lol i said both...like if u wanna say genes then how come all genese rnt the same?? n if its individuality tell me its b/c u make ur own choices but how come all our brains dunt make the same ones if they r created differantly...n if its b/c we r taught differantly by parents or whom ever....how come all the teachers have differant ways off teaching?


b/c He gives you freewill
*The reason u go to hell is b/c God cant be near evil...on the cross Jesus said "my *Father why have You forsaken me" it was b/c God culdnt bear to see all that eveil cast upon His Son...
*yes, and He gave us freewill frum then...even in the garden...n He banned Adam n Eve b/c they went against His will...He punished them yet loved them

From what I do remember from biology, genes changes with every generation, as we inherit our genes from different ancestors. So, of course we'd be different.

Uh, what do you mean by different teachers have different ways of teaching? Because different teachers experience different results when using a certain teaching technique?

I don't understand what you're by asking 'how come all our brains dunt make the same ones if they r created differently'. We do make unique choices, if you haven't noticed.




About free will. It shouldn't be given so carelessly if He already expects us to believe in Him. It's like sending us to our doom.

It's like my parents gave me life, expecting me to be obedient to them in every way, and cut all ties with me if I happen to make a mistake.

[oOyunieOo]

Okay, so he gives us free-will, but vows eternal damnation if we don't believe in him? Not much of a "free-will" now is it?

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

He gives us a choice between heaven and hell. BUt, it all comes down to the fact of faith and belief.
He could have just sent us to hell. We have backlashed him and turned from him... gosh the things mankind has done in history. We really have been shown mercy and forgiveness that he doesn't kill us now.

[*CEP*]

It's your personal choice.

He doesn't persecute them. He allows it to happen because he knows that it will make them stronger believers, or it will get them to heaven with him faster.. I don't know the mind of God (nobody does). Also, matyrs are great role models for Christians in how they lived there lives.

Sure he had the power. But he wanted us to choose. What kind of relationship would there be if we had no choice? It would be kind of like a dictatorship.

Hey it's alright..... no offense taken.

But really now, isn't eternal damnation persecuting?
And if it's my personal choice, then why can't I go to heaven too? Why do I have to spend the rest of my after-life in hell?
You see, he's not giving me any choice at all. It's either believe in him or go to hell.
There's no argument about that.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[Spirited Away]

What's the point is right... gosh this isn't even on topic. But, whats the use of exploring "what ifs"... these can be debated for hours. And I have finals tomorrow, so I have to go in a few.

I don't understand what you mean by 'what ifs'. It's me who should be asking you that question.

If God had intended for me to have these abilities, then shouldn't I be able to discover them and use them? I mean, some people commit suicide because they think they're worthless. Did God gave them the ability to become worthless?

Good luck on finals... thank goodness mine is over.

[princess2113]

From what I do remember from biology, genes changes with every generation, as we inherit our genes from different ancestors. So, of course we'd be different.

Uh, what do you mean by different teachers have different ways of teaching? Because different teachers experience different results when using a certain teaching technique?

I don't understand what you're by asking 'how come all our brains dunt make the same ones if they r created differently'. We do make unique choices, if you haven't noticed.




About free will. It shouldn't be given so carelessly if He already expects us to believe in Him. It's like sending us to our doom.

It's like my parents gave me life, expecting me to be obedient to them in every way, and cut all ties with me if I happen to make a mistake.

*yes but y r all genese differant? n i meant even Christians believe we r all related sumehow but still....
*u said we r differant b/c our parents teach us differantly....so how differantly? n the reason b/c they have mind of their own....but what im saying is why....u say cuz we make choices....but y such totally differant choices if we all sumehow origniate to a theory that states that we r created by a massive explosion.....shuldnt we all think the same if thats the case?

[oOyunieOo]

About free will. It shouldn't be given so carelessly if He already expects us to believe in Him. It's like sending us to our doom.

It's like my parents gave me life, expecting me to be obedient to them in every way, and cut all ties with me if I happen to make a mistake.

But he doesn't cut off the ties after a mistake. He allows those as long as you have a heart for him. Forgiveness! Nno one is perfect, and if that was the standard (thank goodness it isn't) we would be doomed. But we're not.

[*CEP*]

He gives us a choice between heaven and hell. BUt, it all comes down to the fact of faith and belief.
He could have just sent us to hell. We have backlashed him and turned from him... gosh the things mankind has done in history. We really have been shown mercy and forgiveness that he doesn't kill us now.

But back to what you said earlier.
Didn't God make us into what we are? Why didn't he just put that we believe in him? That we should obey the Ten Commandments?
And about choices, when you're being made, what choice do you have?

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[oOyunieOo]

But really now, isn't eternal damnation persecuting?
And if it's my personal choice, then why can't I go to heaven too? Why do I have to spend the rest of my after-life in hell?
You see, he's not giving me any choice at all. It's either believe in him or go to hell.
There's no argument about that.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

You don't have to.. You sound like you belive HIm. If you do, why don't just make the choice that Jesus is your Savior, that you want to by used by God and you want him to be in control of your life? You wouldn't go to hell.

[oOyunieOo]

But back to what you said earlier.
Didn't God make us into what we are? Why didn't he just put that we believe in him? That we should obey the Ten Commandments?
And about choices, when you're being made, what choice do you have?

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

I'm not quite sure I understand... maybe you could rephrase that? or something. Thanx!

[princess2113]

You don't have to.. You sound like you belive HIm. If you do, why don't just make the choice that Jesus is your Savior, that you want to by used by God and you want him to be in control of your life? You wouldn't go to hell.

very well said

[*krnxswat*]

You see, he's not giving me any choice at all. It's either believe in him or go to hell.
There's no argument about that.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

Hm. Believe in him, or go to hell.

He gave you those choices.

[*CEP*]

*yes but y r all genese differant? n i meant even Christians believe we r all related sumehow but still....
*u said we r differant b/c our parents teach us differantly....so how differantly? n the reason b/c they have mind of their own....but what im saying is why....u say cuz we make choices....but y such totally differant choices if we all sumehow origniate to a theory that states that we r created by a massive explosion.....shuldnt we all think the same if thats the case?

Oh God, woman. Do you even read what we say?
Genes are different because each are made of different halves. Coming from different people. Now, concerning siblings, some info in each half may or may not be included in the final product. Which makes us different from each other.
So there you go. We're all different.
We're also different from each other, not because of our parents. It's about our environment in its whole. We all get different experiences, ergo, not all are the same.
And to answer your Big Bang question, being made from one thing doesn't affect how we think at all.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[oOyunieOo]

If God had intended for me to have these abilities, then shouldn't I be able to discover them and use them? I mean, some people commit suicide because they think they're worthless. Did God gave them the ability to become worthless?

You should and you will. People who commit suicide think that they are worthless. That is their personal opinion and their choice... personally i think it's a stupid thing to kill yourself, becuase it you aren't happy with the the way God made you, are you satisfied with God, then are you going to hell? Heck, I don't know.

[oOyunieOo]

Oh God, woman. Do you even read what we say?
Genes are different because each are made of different halves. Coming from different people. Now, concerning siblings, some info in each half may or may not be included in the final product. Which makes us different from each other.
So there you go. We're all different.
We're also different from each other, not because of our parents. It's about our environment in its whole. We all get different experiences, ergo, not all are the same.
And to answer your Big Bang question, being made from one thing doesn't affect how we think at all.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

This seems as if it should be taken to the Creation vs. Evolution debate

[Spirited Away]

*yes but y r all genese differant? n i meant even Christians believe we r all related sumehow but still....
*u said we r differant b/c our parents teach us differantly....so how differantly? n the reason b/c they have mind of their own....but what im saying is why....u say cuz we make choices....but y such totally differant choices if we all sumehow origniate to a theory that states that we r created by a massive explosion.....shuldnt we all think the same if thats the case?

I don't know how science works, but I think my answer was right. Genes are different because you inherited them from different people.

Believe me when I say that I do not believe in the Big Bang Theory as it has too many flaws.

As for the rest of your questions... I don't get them. Sorry?

But he doesn't cut off the ties after a mistake. He allows those as long as you have a heart for him. Forgiveness! Nno one is perfect, and if that was the standard (thank goodness it isn't) we would be doomed. But we're not.

So just as Mr Jose has been saying. It's a choice, but we're damned if we don't and damned if we do.

Why? Because if we don't believe in Him, we'll go to Hell. But if we do believe in Him, it's only because He threatens us with eternal pain, and that takes away our free will.

Why? Because it's not free will if we're forced to choose to believe.

[princess2113]

Oh God, woman. Do you even read what we say?
Genes are different because each are made of different halves. Coming from different people. Now, concerning siblings, some info in each half may or may not be included in the final product. Which makes us different from each other.
So there you go. We're all different.
We're also different from each other, not because of our parents. It's about our environment in its whole. We all get different experiences, ergo, not all are the same.
And to answer your Big Bang question, being made from one thing doesn't affect how we think at all.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

read yes...does it make sense to me? usually no

[IIO__oII]

So just as Mr Jose has been saying. It's a choice, but we're damned if we don't and damned if we do.

Why? Because if we don't believe in Him, we'll go to Hell. But if we do believe in Him, it's only because He threatens us with eternal pain, and that takes away our free will.

Why? Because it's not free will if we're forced to choose to believe.

well.. if u put it THAT way...
haha thats like in a "negative" way to say it.,..
but...

[Spirited Away]

read yes...does it make sense to me? usually no

Just like how God works doesn't make sense to us.


EDIT::

well.. if u put it THAT way...
haha thats like in a "negative" way to say it.,..
but...

It's a negative way, but I'm not a person who's naive to think positive all the time.

[princess2113]

Just like how God works doesn't make sense to us.

lol yesh i learned this.....BUT((i alwayz have to say sumething sry)) if u let Him speak to u...u wuld understand....u dunt believe in anyone speaking so when i open up to it....nobody comes n tells me ur right

[IIO__oII]

What's the point is right... gosh this isn't even on topic. But, whats the use of exploring "what ifs"... these can be debated for hours. And I have finals tomorrow, so I have to go in a few.

byeeeeee good luck on ure finalsss!

[*CEP*]

I'm not quite sure I understand... maybe you could rephrase that? or something. Thanx!

Okay.
You said God made you into who you are.
So I say, Why didnt he just make us so that we believe in him and whatnot?
And I also said that you really can't make any choices when you're being made.

Hm. Believe in him, or go to hell.

He gave you those choices.

Okay, fine, you got me on that one, but what kind of choices are those?
That's like taking a poll where you'll be put to death if you don't answer what the creator wants everyone to answer.

You don't have to.. You sound like you belive HIm. If you do, why don't just make the choice that Jesus is your Savior, that you want to by used by God and you want him to be in control of your life? You wouldn't go to hell.

Yeah, well, according to the circumstances involved, I'm pretty sure I have to.
And no, I don't believe in him. I'm sorry, but I don't like the idea that I was created solely for the purpose to obey my creator. Makes me feel like I'm a slave or something.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi