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We should all be allowed to be naked
Paul M. is baaac...
post Sep 17 2006, 02:12 PM
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But they still aren't going around completely naked, exposing sexual organs.

If we're all allowed to be naked, tapping omebody on the shoulder in okay, so wouldn't that make tapping somebody's penis okay, too? or going up to a girl and telling her she needs to come her...area?
 
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post Sep 17 2006, 03:17 PM
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^ comb. the word is comb. or, possibly you mean something else, which makes little sense to english speakers.

yes... but if nudity were the social norm, a penis wouldnt be taboo. and, why WOULD someone tap someone on the penis instead of the shoulder? they could tap someone's crotch NOW if they wanted to... all of these scenarios are pure conjecture
 
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post Sep 18 2006, 12:25 AM
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ew. i wouldn't want people to see my private parts. pinch.gif
but it would be nice if we could inside our houses. happy.gif
 
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post Sep 18 2006, 12:55 AM
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QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Sep 16 2006, 10:01 AM) *
You're just blaming childrens perceptions of their bodies on shame. What about all the people who live normal lives. Those who aren't ashamed of other people seeing them? Do you think those people, excluded from the disorders, were brought up to not be ashamed of their bodies?

Perhaps, or perhaps they came to respect their bodies in other ways; at any rate, I think a person who is satisfied with her body type was taught, somewhere along the line, that shape is not important.
QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Sep 16 2006, 10:01 AM) *
Celebrities set off a certain image, that some people would find immodest. Yet there are celebrities that have eating disorders and such.

Indeed. This emphasizes my point that certain images—thin, for example—are taught to be "good", and many people are driven to attempt to attain these "good" body types at any cost.
 
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post Sep 18 2006, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Sep 17 2006, 3:17 PM) *
^ comb. the word is comb. or, possibly you mean something else, which makes little sense to english speakers.

yes... but if nudity were the social norm, a penis wouldnt be taboo. and, why WOULD someone tap someone on the penis instead of the shoulder? they could tap someone's crotch NOW if they wanted to... all of these scenarios are pure conjecture


You wouldn't know that until it happens.
 
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post Sep 18 2006, 11:21 AM
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Nikki, do you know why it isn't common? Because it isn't normal, it'll never be.
 
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post Sep 18 2006, 01:24 PM
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^ Nicki*

Paul, that isnt particularly helpful, because you dont know either way, so it doesnt strengthen your stance, poarticularly.
 
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post Sep 18 2006, 01:33 PM
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You know, I actually typed Nicki but erased it. Haha.
 
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post Sep 18 2006, 02:00 PM
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Nikki, do you know why it isn't common? Because it isn't normal, it'll never be.

That...makes no sense. Who exactly do you think defines the norm? And common practices are the norm, so in that sense, they're transient, and it means nothing to say that something isn't common because it isn't normal. Years ago, women wearing pants wasn't common because it wasn't the norm, but that doesn't mean things can't change.
 
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post Sep 19 2006, 10:39 AM
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Enough blabbing. Why don't you start it eh? There, problem solved.
 
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post Sep 19 2006, 01:15 PM
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When in doubt, resort to immaturity.
 
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post Sep 19 2006, 02:29 PM
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You do realize that all people do in a debate is blab, really? And that I could perfectly well be naked right now for all you know, and it would make absolutely no difference to you?
 
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post Sep 19 2006, 03:01 PM
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This debate brings up a deeper issue. The word "should" makes it dependent on the question of what is moral, or what is right and wrong. This inevitably leads to the discussion of whether what is "right" is that which is defined by society to be correct behavior (right and wrong are relative and transient), or whether what is "right" can be determined from an innate code embedded in every human "spirit" (right and wrong are absolute and permanent).

Now, this debate could be taken either direction. Assuming "right" is relative, transient and defined by society, if current standards are taken as being what is "right and wrong," being nude in public shouldn't be allowed. This is simply because it most often makes others uncomfortable, and doing as such is discouraged by said standards.

However, in taking a wider view of the issue from the perspective that morality is relative, one can ask "What should societal standards of behavior be?" When evaluating this, I would conclude that societal standards of behavior should be formulated so as to allow for the smoothest operation of said society while simultaneously allowing the greatest range of personal freedom, so long as it does not infringe upon the operation of said society's functionality (opinion). This leads me to believe that societal standards should change so as to allow public nudity, as this would allow for more personal freedom and would not infringe upon said society's functionality once a societal equilibrium where nudity has been accepted into the norm has arrived.

I am not going to tackle the "right and wrong are absolute" side, as my experience says that this idea is incorrect, but I encourage anyone who feels so inclined to go for it :)
 
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post Sep 20 2006, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Sep 19 2006, 8:15 PM) *
When in doubt, resort to immaturity.

It's funny how you think it's immaturity. Then again, you have a degree when it comes to that.

QUOTE(Statues/Shadows @ Sep 19 2006, 9:29 PM) *
You do realize that all people do in a debate is blab, really? And that I could perfectly well be naked right now for all you know, and it would make absolutely no difference to you?

Bla! I meant it as in both of us, enough blabbing from both of us. I'm quite certain that you aren't naked Nikki.

Just to clarify things, I am a semi nudist. I walk around in panties and bra or sometimes, I walk naked (when alone or with my boyfriend). I am not against the idea, I'm just saying that right now, it's practically impossible. There are just to many pervs (myself including). Even though there are more cons than pros, I'd love to see my gym teacher naked. Or my pastor.

*drools*
 
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post Sep 27 2006, 01:39 AM
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lol.. guess you guys all imagine hot girls/guys walking around the streets naked huh?

all you'll get is a bunch of fat old men walking around in all their glory.. just like a lot of the nude beaches
 
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post Oct 6 2006, 07:55 PM
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ok, public nudity would make people comfortable naked with other people. but then again that would also encourage sex at a younger age wouldn't it?
 
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post Oct 7 2006, 02:33 AM
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Guys, compare to the Greek's century and ours.

Our society is different now, time changes. Is there something wrong wearing clothes?

In this society, being naked in the public is not appropriate. Why? Time changes. We don’t live in the Greek's century. The influences around us are different. Being publicly naked would be disturbing and make other feel ugly. I mean, c’mon … a buff guy and a skinny guy.
 
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post Oct 7 2006, 07:27 AM
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^ as a skinny guy, i can tell you that i dont really care, but cool.

the point is, the conception that nudity is wrong is a result of people covering up, not the other way around. if people DID begin walking round naked en masse, it could become a social norm, like any other popular phenomenon
 
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post Oct 7 2006, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Oct 7 2006, 5:27 AM) *
^ as a skinny guy, i can tell you that i dont really care, but cool.

the point is, the conception that nudity is wrong is a result of people covering up, not the other way around. if people DID begin walking round naked en masse, it could become a social norm, like any other popular phenomenon




I'm skinny too. Haha. My metabolism is fast.



I understand your point, but this society is different. I’m assuming, people wouldn’t want to be publicly naked. People are so use to wearing clothes and to look pretty. This is what makes our society different. We can’t turn back into the past. We can’t be naked again. How would people feel, when their children see a naked person in a group of people with clothes on?[size="3"][/size]
 
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^ well whether or not people choose to be naked as individuals is not he issue. the point being is that it shouldnt be taboo
 
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post Oct 8 2006, 01:19 PM
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we were all born that way i get it but we grew up thinking hey put this on. we grew up with protection. I dont think it will be smart if we didnt wear clothes. they protect us from a lot of things. I really dont care if someone gets excited about someone walking around naked, but clothes are there for protection.

and what if you see some hot girl/guy then you will be like eww they look ugly without their clothes then you wouldnt go out and persue the chase, you wouldnt go out and ask anybody out cuase you would see an imperfection.
 
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and what if you see some hot girl/guy then you will be like eww they look ugly without their clothes then you wouldnt go out and persue the chase, you wouldnt go out and ask anybody out cuase you would see an imperfection.

If you look hard enough, you'll find an imperfection anywhere. First of all, it's superficial to be "turned off" from someone for a small physical imperfection. When I think of the girls I have dated, none of them had perfect physical features, and you know what? It didn't matter. Expecting people to be flawless is going to make relationships very hard. Besides, clothes may cover up some physical imperfections, but certainly not all (especially given the rather revealing style sof today). For example, I'm pretty short, and no amount of clothing can hide that; but I'd be disappointed if someone refused to date me based simply on that reason (although, given women's obessions with the height of their mates, it wouldn't be surprising—but alas, I digress).

Secondly, I really don't think people "pursue the chase" based solely on physical features. All of the young women I have dated have had other attractions. Sure, I might hook up with someone based mostly (or entirely) on looks, but if I'm just hooking up with someone for a night, I'm not going to "pursue the chase" anyway. It takes more than looks to keep someone's attention.

And thirdly, on a more pragmatic note, it's pretty much impossible to hide your unclothed body from your partner when it comes to romantic relationships, anyway.
 
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post Oct 10 2006, 09:49 AM
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nakedness wud b cool....i think we shud be allowed to b but it shudn't b mandatory....then agn if it wasnt mandatory noone wud do it.
 
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post Oct 17 2006, 12:16 PM
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i think it would be for the better of society...back before civilization started..thats how people went around - naked ..and there was no such thing as being offended by it because it was perfectly normal...and also i think if we all just go around naked..there wouldn't be such a big deal over censored images and such and a big fuss over "omg i saw her nipple or his penis!" or wtvr itd make things way less complicated
 
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post Oct 19 2006, 06:52 PM
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Well, I think most people object to nudity because of society standards. We were taught that nudity is wrong & disgusting. I think the person makes a very interesting point in saying that we were born nude, so we should be free to be nude daily. So I guess it all comes down to: What are your morals? What do you view as right and wrong?

Though I'm not a big fan of undiscrete nudity, I just think it's an interesting point _smile.gif
 

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