Was the moon landing forreal? Options

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

While I find the universe to be quite interesting, I honestly DO NOT see ANY point in the "Space Race" except to fufill human curiosity. Whatever we find out isn't going to affect us in any way, and I don't understand why we have to put so much money into it. If anything, if we really went to the moon, the reason - "beating" the Russians - was completely stupid.

The Cold War. A war without any real fighting. Just actions. That's why. Americans wanted to "win" the Cold War.
There are several other motives for faking the moon landing too.

And it doesn't necesairly have to be a complete hoax..

1. Complete hoax—The idea that the entire human landing program was faked. Various sources argue that the technology to send men to the Moon was insufficient and/or that the Van Allen radiation belts made such a trip impossible.
2. Partial hoax / Unmanned landings— Bart Sibrel argues that Apollo 11 and subsequent astronauts had faked their orbit around the Moon and their walk on its surface by trick photography, and that they never got more than halfway to the Moon. A subset of this proposal is advocated by those who concede the existence of laser mirrors and other observable human-made objects on the Moon. Marcus Allen represented this argument when he said "I would be the first to accept what [telescope images of the landing site] find as powerful evidence that something was placed on the Moon by man." He goes on to say that photographs of the lander would not prove that America put men on the Moon. "Getting to the Moon really isn't much of a problem—the Russians did that in 1959, the big problem is getting people there." His argument focuses around NASA sending robot missions because radiation levels in space were lethal to humans. Another variant on this is the idea that NASA and its contractors did not recover quickly enough from the Apollo 1 fire, and so all the early Apollo missions were faked, with Apollo 14 or 15 being the first authentic mission.[4]
3. Manned landings, with backup stagings— Dr. Brian O'Leary once suggested that, as a hypothetical situation, NASA could have falsified some portion of the video and photographs of the moon landings to replace those damaged or lost during the actual mission. Hoax proponent David Percy apparently took O'Leary's hypothetical as a sincere belief. O'Leary has since reasserted the idea as merely hypothetical..[5]
4. Manned landings, with cover-ups—William Brian and others believe that, while astronauts did land on the Moon, they covered up what they found, whether it was gravitational anomalies, alien artifacts, or alien encounters.[6] Phillip Lheureux, in Lumieres sur la Lune (Lights on the Moon), said that astronauts did land on the Moon, but that, in order to prevent other nations from benefiting from scientific information in the real photos, NASA published fake images.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_L...oax_accusations

[timeflies51]

The Cold War. A war without any real fighting. Just actions. That's why. Americans wanted to "win" the Cold War.

Yeah, I know all about the Cold War and all that, but I think the reason behind the Cold War was kind of iffy, too...

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

Yeah, I know all about the Cold War and all that, but I think the reason behind the Cold War was kind of iffy, too...

WHAT?! So you think the fight against communism and the Soviet Union and the Cuban Missile Crisis was "iffy"?

[kimmytree]

I think it's because there's no wind on the moon. (Which is supposedly why the astronauts' footprints are still there, so they say.)



While I find the universe to be quite interesting, I honestly DO NOT see ANY point in the "Space Race" except to fufill human curiosity. Whatever we find out isn't going to affect us in any way, and I don't understand why we have to put so much money into it. If anything, if we really went to the moon, the reason - "beating" the Russians - was completely stupid.

Anyways, that's my rant on that. As for the mission being faked, perhaps. I mean, people saw the spaceship liftoff and everything, didn't they? So you're saying that they had to plan a secret place for the spaceship to land and everything?

If this is true, then that is sad, wasting so much money only to get Americans' spirits up just a bit higher. How incredibly pathetic.

I really hope the government and NASA were not that stupid.

I forgot about the whole foot print thing.

I dont really see the point in trying to return to the moon. Theres no way we could colonize up there or anything.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

I forgot about the whole foot print thing.

I dont really see the point in trying to return to the moon. Theres no way we could colonize up there or anything.

DO NOT START WITH ME ON THAT! My dream is to colonize/terraform Mars someday. First, we have to start with the moon.
Steven will agree with me on this one.. There is definitely a way to colonize/terraform Mars, so there is definitely a way to do so for the moon. All you need is water, oxygen, sunlight, and organic compounds and you've got the basic building blocks of life. There is a way to colonize the moon/Mars. All we need is a little research.

Besides, for now, returning to the moon is to just research how the Earth formed.

[*xcaitlinx*]

i think that this theory is completely ridiculous...

i had to answer some questions about it in chemistry for a problem of the week. lunar moon rocks were brought back from the apollo flights, and they contained materials completely different from those on earth.

The lunar soil samples consist of angular agglutinates and glass beads with nearly a total absence of quartz. The lunar soil samples show no evidence of iron (III) oxide, which is formed when iron oxidizes or rusts. Iron titanium oxide or ilmenite is found in the lunar soil and is black in appearance. Lunar soil also contains plagioclase feldspars which appear white, olivine, green, or as a yellowish-brown mineral. All three sets of lunar samples are similar in chemistry and mineralogy.

Soil and rock samples from Earth are composed of rounded grains, primarily of quartz. Many samples contain some iron (III) oxide that gives the soil a red, yellow, or brown coloration.

(http://glencoe.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0078664187/student_view0/chapter1/problem_of_the_week.html)

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

I heard something about the moon rocks having the same composition as some rocks found at the poles. I'll go find it.

Hoax proponents argue that Wernher von Braun's trip to Antarctica in 1967 (two years prior to the Apollo missions) was in order to study and / or collect lunar meteorite rocks to be used as fake Moon rocks. Because von Braun was a former SS officer, it is suggested by hoax proponents (including Aron Ranen),[55] he would have been susceptible to pressure to agree to the conspiracy in order to protect himself from recriminations over the past.

And the rocks collected in the Apollo missions are still being analyzed by scientists. So far they've said that the rocks haven't been on the Earth and are older than any other lunaites found on Earth.
But it's possible that they set the rocks in an environment similar to that of the moon's and sped up the carbon decay process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_l...ions#Moon_rocks

[kimmytree]

I didnt mean that colonizing is impossible, I just dont see it happening any time soon. Theres gotta be another planet out there somewhere, thats more capable of sustaning life.

heard something about the moon rocks having the same composition as some rocks found at the poles. I'll go find it.

I've heard the exact same thing.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

I didnt mean that colonizing is impossible, I just dont see it happening any time soon. Theres gotta be another planet out there somewhere, thats more capable of sustaning life.

That'd be too far away and would take too long to reach. I mean, it'd probably be a few more decades until we can even have a manned mission past the asteriod belt!

I believe that the colonization of the moon/Mars will be in the time of this century. At the speed technology is going, we could probably have some people living on the moon in 20 years!
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[kimmytree]

Not necessarily. I dont think we'll need to colonize somewhere else within the next 100 years. Heh I think it'll be a little longer than a few decades to get past the asteroid belt, especially if we've got a flight to the moon planned for 2020.

I guess thats possible, but we havent even made it to Mars yet. The conditions may not even be appropriate to do so. Living on the moon in 20 years? How would that even be humanly possible?

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

Not necessarily. I dont think we'll need to colonize somewhere else within the next 100 years. Heh I think it'll be a little longer than a few decades to get past the asteroid belt, especially if we've got a flight to the moon planned for 2020.

Well, actually.. I was wrong. The Cassini missions have gone to Saturn.. And the New Horizons. which was launched this July, is supposed to fly by Pluto and Ceres and other dwarf planets/planets.
A manned mission, however, will definitely take a while.

And we might have to colonize Mars soon. At the rate global warming is going, Earth's future is dim.

I guess thats possible, but we havent even made it to Mars yet. The conditions may not even be appropriate to do so. Living on the moon in 20 years? How would that even be humanly possible?

That's what terraforming is for.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=d...G=Google+Search

And humans haven't been on Mars, but several unmanned rover missions have. And the moon.. Well, we're supposed to be debating that right now.

[kimmytree]

And we might have to colonize Mars soon. At the rate global warming is going, Earth's future is dim.

Thats very true. With warmer temperatures, and the ice caps melting. Hopefully that wont happen in our lifetimes though.

Could you imagine though what i'd be like? I wonder most of the civilized world would go, or just a select few to repopulate?

Have you heard the theories that we used to inhabit another planet? I forget which one... but there's like a statue or something there that closely resembles something in Egypt. I guess I should research that.

[timeflies51]

WHAT?! So you think the fight against communism and the Soviet Union and the Cuban Missile Crisis was "iffy"?

I think the fact that we just hated the Soviets at first only because they were communist was a weak reason. Now, when they started invading and making satellite countries and threatening us with nuclear weapons, yeah, then there was a reason.

But the main reason why it started? Because they were communist. Hatred evolved into the things later.

People have their opinions. Just because we have ours doesn't make it universally correct.

[demolished]

Thats very true. With warmer temperatures, and the ice caps melting. Hopefully that wont happen in our lifetimes though.

Could you imagine though what i'd be like? I wonder most of the civilized world would go, or just a select few to repopulate?

Have you heard the theories that we used to inhabit another planet? I forget which one... but there's like a statue or something there that closely resembles something in Egypt. I guess I should research that.

Oh wtf. Are you ... serious? I had never thought of that.



But, I don’t think it's true. During Egypt’s time, their technology wasn’t as great as today. I mean, they didn’t have their own spaceship. Speaking of alchemy, it might have happen, but alchemy had not been proved yet.

[think!IMAGINARIL...]

Have you heard the theories that we used to inhabit another planet? I forget which one... but there's like a statue or something there that closely resembles something in Egypt. I guess I should research that.

It sounds like.. Something from Alien Vs Predator.
I googled it and found nothing.

And how would they be able to see a statue on another planet? I don't think it's possible. We didn't even see Mars' surface clearly until we had the rovers, let alone another planet's.

Uhh, getting off topic here..