bible/religion as fact Options

[Spirited Away]

Tamacracker, I am very open minded, even though I'm not too fond of Muslims, I don't go attacking them, never have and never will ALTHOUGH Muslims like you make me 'hate' Muslims / Islam even more. You're condemning Christians which is wrong. This is a VERY wrong approach. You're only giving Islam a bad name, even though it never had a good name (in my opinion).

I have a Turkish friend who happens to be a Muslim, she's aware that I'm not too fond of Muslims but heck she's VERY open minded. She's the reason why I'm trying to get over this 'Hate Muslims / Islam' mindset. But the fact is, you're making things worse.

Fine, you love Islam, you're 100 % Muslim but that doesn't give you the right to attack ANY religion. I am not a Christian but I don't go insulting Christianism. I was raised in a racist family which I am not proud of but rather, I say it out loud. I am the most open minded person in my family, I try to think well of everyone but people like you make it difficult.
That was TOTALLY un-called for. The Qu'ran has no flaws? 90 % of suicied bombers / terrorrists are Muslims and apparently (according to someone, I might not be accurate but who cares) they get their 'inspiration' from the Qu'ran. What kind of a book supports shit like that?

A couple of weeks ago, I saw a documentry on CNN on the life of Osama Bin Laden, he's a true Muslim but can you understand his state of mind? He's a terrorrist for the love of Satan!
Also, apparently your dearest Mohammed was a pedophile: http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/muhtpammed.htm and don't attack me, I didn't write it. Besides, that's not the only source, there are many of them.

I know I came off as 'aggressive' and whatnot, I apologize but all I'm asking of you is a little bit of an open spirit. How old are you? To me, you're just a typical Muslim but I might be wrong.

Just to make things clear, I do not hate all Muslims, just most of you, especially when you try to convert me / people to your Religion by condemning another.

I'm surprised that with a Muslim friend, you don't understand the religion. My best friend knows I have no affinity for religion and she, like your friend, is a Muslim. By not understanding, I mean that you are blaming Islam for terrorists. You must understand that there are radicals and fundamentalists in almost every religion, for example, the Klu Klux Klan supports a white, Christian nation. And, believe it or not, the KKK uses the Bible to support of their reason for hate.

Just because a holy scripture of one religion is used for hate does not mean that the Scripture is hate. When you say that the Qu'ran is flawed because it is an inspiration for hate to suicide bombers, you might as well say that the Bible is an inspiration for hate to the KKK.

You're saying that being Muslim does not give the right for Tama to attack any religion, but you are have been attacking his religion in turn. You guys are really birds of the same feather, or haven't you noticed?

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That was TOTALLY un-called for. The Qu'ran has no flaws? 90 % of suicied bombers / terrorrists are Muslims and apparently (according to someone, I might not be accurate but who cares) they get their 'inspiration' from the Qu'ran. What kind of a book supports shit like that?

Wow... 90% of Suicidal bombers/terrorists are Muslims and they get inspired by the Qur'an?

First off, prove that pathetic statistic by non Western Civilization media, actually you can use whatever source you'd like.

2nd of all, you're an American, right? I'd take the time to read up on your AMERICAN history and figure out how many terrorist we had in this nation that weren't Muslim, in fact most were known to be atheist.

3rd of all... the Qur'an teaching hate and terrorismt? Prove it... give me a HADITH or atleast a Qur'anic quote/scripture, I see through you and how much ignorance you truely have... And I don't sympathize for people who shoot ignorance and hate and then pretend to be "open minded" while making a disgusting fictional post.


A couple of weeks ago, I saw a documentry on CNN on the life of Osama Bin Laden, he's a true Muslim but can you understand his state of mind? He's a terrorrist for the love of Satan!
Also, apparently your dearest Mohammed was a pedophile: http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/muhtpammed.htm and don't attack me, I didn't write it. Besides, that's not the only source, there are many of them.

CNN? THat's all you have to say, TNT, FoxNews, Washington Post, New TImes, Los Angeles TImes, CNN, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, all claim to be fair and balanced media, when in reality their corperations are racist, money hungry, LIARS on a mission.

And Osama Bin Laden? Give me a break, he's not even freakin Islamic... he's a fake. He was a CIA tactician.. yeah that's right, OUR Government paid his income... I advise you to read and stop listening to everything that peopel tell you... believe in yourself, read, and learn the facts.

Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile? LOL You don't even know the facts, that's all that right wing, Christian, neo-con, zionist, and republican propaganda... you're lookin reeeeeal foolish, in fact I'm debating if I should just stop here.

I know I came off as 'aggressive' and whatnot, I apologize but all I'm asking of you is a little bit of an open spirit. How old are you? To me, you're just a typical Muslim but I might be wrong.

Just to make things clear, I do not hate all Muslims, just most of you, especially when you try to convert me / people to your Religion by condemning another.

We don't need to convert you... we don't care about converting. Yes it's nice to convert because Allah rewards you. But Islam can careless for conversions...
I'm a typical Muslim? You're such a disgusting biggot, if you said that in my face.... lol Oh man you're funny. Talk that hatred outside of your house there little boy. Unless you live in Texas or one of those midwest states, then it wouldn't matter, you're all the same. See how this works? You wanna generalize my religion? I can generalize you right back where it hurts.... "small pecker". (that's for disrespecting Prophet Muhammad)

But you know what? You again showed proof of racism/hatred...

[*I Shot JFK*]

^ She is a girl, she lives in Belgium, and there is only one 'g' in biggot.

That aside, Sandra, you attitude is partly resonsible for the Islamic people who DO become suicide bombers. A little more understanding, and a little less boom.

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Ah that explains her hatred... just like them twin Hitler loving pop rock girls lol... I'm done debating on this thread until someone intellectual has something to say.

Oh as my mispelling.. it's gonna happen when it's a letter too much or a little short... I tend to type at 107-110wpm.

[*I Shot JFK*]

Oh, i have the worst typing skills in the world, i just have a compulsive need to correct people. dont mind me

and also, i wouldnt peg sandra as a white supremist particularly, as she is black, but i see your reasoning. and i've now forgotten what the thread is actually about.

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[quote name='Tamacracker' post='2274315' date='Sep 8 2006, 2:01 AM']
Jesus is God so there goes that. Now, I asked in another thread. How can Jesus be considered such a great man if he claimed to be God?

Jesus Christ (pbuh) is a man, Messenger of God, and the Messiah, who will return to destroy the anti-Christ, very soon.

He was born of Virgin Birth, son of the Virgin Mary, but his mission was that of a Prophet, like every Prophet before and after him, and he taught the SAME doctrine of salvation as all of God's other Prophets: that salvation is through God alone, and NOT through any one of His creations. He is distinguished by his virgin birth, the sign of the Messiah.

Read more here:[/quote]

I know who Jesus was, there is no reason to give me his story.

[quote]The NT claims that Christ personally claimed to be God. He said "I and my Father are one" "He that hath seen me, hath seen the Father" "I am the way the truth & the life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me"

Jesus (pbuh) didn't write that sentence there, he didn't even take a look at it and authenticate it. These passages were written after he ascended to Heaven, YEARS after, and remained a huge controversy among Christians for up to 300 years after his ascension.

Some writers of the NT put words in Jesus' mouth. THEY are the liars, and Jesus said nothing but the Truth. He was neither God NOR a Heretic. The liars among the writers of the NT were the heretics.

Most Christians are told that Jesus' (pbuh) true apostles, i.e. the men that Jesus (pbuh) considered his apostles, are the writers of the NT. This is a major misconception.

The Qur'an talks about Jesus' desciples, that they are trusted and pious men, but there is simply no evidence that ALL the writers of the NT are the men that Jesus (pbuh) himself CONSIDERED his apostles.[/quote]

How do you know they are the liars and that the NT is false? Who told you, Muhammad? If so, why did God wait so long to send someone? Why wasn't he pre-announced like Jesus was?

[quote]WORSHIPPING ANYTHING OR ANYONE in ASSOCIATION with God, in any way shape or form, is the UGLIEST sin imaginable in the sight of God. In fact, God says:

Surely Allah does not forgive that anything should be associated with Him, and forgives what is besides that to whomsoever He pleases; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he devises indeed a great sin. (Qur'an 4:48)

That means if the Christian Missionary lived his life for JESUS (pbuh) instead of GOD, the LORD OF JESUS (pbuh), he is in SERIOUS trouble.

The Prophet (pbuh) said: "By Him in whose Hand is the life of Muhammad, anyone of this community, Jew or Christian, who hears of me and then dies without believing in me, will be among the inhabitants of the Hellfire."

That's a VERY serious warning. Again, that does not imply ETERNAL Hell, but it definitely means that you can spend a LIFETIME doing good for other than God, and it won't count ANYTHING towards your salvation.[/quote]

How many times do I have to tell you? Catholics do NOT worship the Saints! Never have, never will.

You're constantly saying that I know nothing about Islam, but you're always getting stuff wrong about Catholicism, even though I've told you three times. In fact, some of the things you've said have come into conflict with what I've been taught about Islam.

[quote]You're being emotionally led to believe that disbelieving that the NT is 100% the accurately transmitted words of Jesus (pbuh) is somehow akin to disbelieving in Jesus (pbuh) himself, or his apostles. ALL of these emotional appeals take as granted the assumption that the NT is something Jesus (pbuh) dictated or verified as true on his authority.[/quote]

Again, you're making assumptions about me. And the same could be said about Muhammad and the Quran.

[quote]By the way, even among Christians there is no consensus that the Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John were actually written solely by those individuals.[/quote]

Make a new thread outlining these inconsistencies. I do not mind answering them, AS LONG AS YOU READ THEM IN THE BIBLE YOURSELF, THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE THE CONTEXT THEY ARE IN, INSTEAD OF JUST CUTTING AND PASTING FROM SOME WEBSITE. (understand why I'm emphasing that point).

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The tradition has been to presume this, though there is little scholarly proof that even these books were written by Jesus' (pbuh) apostles.

If you don't believe me, go to some prominant Christian websites and see what they say about the "authors of the New Testament". They are often pretty frank about it.
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Proof of Jesus getting crucified? Pliny's letter to Trajan? The Muslims under Saladin stealing the Cross? Shroud of Turin?

Muslims believe that God saved Jesus (pbuh) from being crucified. They don't believe that his mission was to be crucified, but to deliver the message of God, like all prophets (pbut).

All Muslims agree that the Jews did not succeed in killing him, though they sure tried to. Some seem to think that he was not even placed on the cross. I consider that he was placed on the cross, but did not die on it. The word "salaba" in Arabic refers to "death on a cross", not mere placement on it.[/quote]

Great, thanks for telling me what Muslims believe. But you've done nothing to debunk what I've said.

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And because of their disbelief and of their speaking against Mary a tremendous calumny;

And because of their saying in boast, "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God"; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise; - (Qur'an 4:157-158)

It would follow that the Qur'an is repeating itself: "and they did not kill him, nor did they kill him on the cross."

This would violate the Qur'anic principle of mughayara or semantic differentiation. If the Qur'an states "A and B" then A is necessarily different from B according to mughayara. It is a good idea to approach Qur'anic interpretation through the sciences and rules that were developed to help us achieve it.

A second proof against the above misinterpretation posed in the question is that the whole point of the denial is that Allah did not let his Prophet be subjected to infamy. The latter does not reside in being killed -- as other Prophets were killed -- but in the modality of being displayed on a pole like a criminal. Lapidation (stoning) is ruled out for the same reason.

A third proof is that, to my knowledge, the imams of commentary have not mentioned the hypothesis that `Isa himself was placed on the cross as a possibility, although they left no stone unturned in collecting narrations and going over the various scenarios. So the statement that "Some seem to think that he was not even placed on the cross" is disinformation posing as a statistical remark. The real statement would be that some seem to think that he was actually placed on the cross.

A fourth proof is that in Arabic usage salb or crucifixion does not denote death on a cross -- contrary to what is being claimed above -- but only hoisting or being hoisted up on a cross or plank or pole for the purpose of defamation and humiliation.

Abu Nu`aym in Hilya al-Awliya' (1985 ed. 10:154=1997 ed. 10:161) narrates with his chain that when al-Daylami -- one of the early Sufis -- was captured by the Byzantines "he was crucified" (fa salabuh), and "when the Muslims saw him crucified (fa lamma ra'ahu al-Muslimuna masluban) they freed him after a raid and brought him down alive. He came down and asked for water, etc."

Al-Tabari in his history Tarikh al-Muluk wa al-Umam (1987 ed. 5:414) in the chapter of the year 252 describes the events of `Abdan ibn al-Muwaffaq's demise: "He was crucified alive (fa suliba hayyan)... and was left crucified (turika masluban) until the midafternoon prayer. Then he was thrown into jail and remained there for two days. He died on the third. It was ordered that he be crucified again..."

There are also examples using the term salaba or crucify for defamation-displays taking place _after_ the death of the crucified, as alluded to in the Qur'anic sequence: "They never killed him, and they never crucified him."

When Caesar's governor over Amman at the time of the Prophet Farwa ibn `Amr al-Judhami declared his Islam, he was imprisoned until he died. After his death, he was crucified. Narrated by Ibn Sa`d, Tabaqat (7:435) May Allah be well-pleased with him, he believed in the Prophet (pbuh) in the Prophet's time, yet never met him, like Uways al-Qarani.

In the hadith of Salman al-Farisi about the corrupt episcopus of the Syrian church who died, then it was discovered that he had amassed a treasure out of the people's alms, Salman narrates: "They said we shall never bury him. Then they crucified him on a plank and stoned him." Narrated by Ibn Sa`d, Tabaqat (4:77), al-Khatib in Tarikh Baghdad (1:167) and Ibn Kathir in al-Bidaya wa al-Nihaya (2:311).

In 231 Imam Ahmad ibn Nasr al-Khuza`i -- may Allah be well-pleased with him -- was decapitated in Samarra. "When his head was brought to the authorities [in Baghdad], they [literally] crucified it (salabuh)." Al-Khatib, Tarikh Baghdad (5:179). It is evident that the meaning here is "They displayed it on top of a pole."

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I take the time to type up my posts, I ask that you do the same for yours. Don't just copy and paste, or at least if you do, make it brief and highlight your points. What your doing is not arguing, it is the equivalent of of an evangelist driving a dumptrucking and dumping pamphlets and Bibles on the person he wants to proselytize.

Can you be a little more specific on this?

The Kaaba was a pagan worship site, then Muhammad just incoporated it into Islam.

[quote]Christianity did NOT become a major religion with only the spilling of Jesus' blood… you need to come back to reality. You have the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, and the Roman Empire.[/quote]

Constantine was baptized in the 300s, effectively making Christianity a major religion. Before that, Christians were persecuted. Don't tell me the Christians were going around killing people. They worshipped in underground societies, don't tell me they were raping or pillaging before at least the year 300.

Islam on the other hand was born out of war.

[quote]Then you have those missionaries who go to other countries and tell the poor, hungry, and sick that if they convert to Christianity, they'll get medical attention, food, and financial help. Those who do not accept, get left to die. Oh about killing those who are not of their religion? Didn't a "Church" help the Nazis? Weren't most of the Nazi regime Christians of all sorts of sects? Then you have the KKK… actually here, learn some of your Christology from past to current Christian terrorist organizations, who oppress those who are different under the name of "Lord Jesus":
Learn a little aspect of your Christology
You see how this works?

By the way go back to around 1470… pretty brutal around that time, whatever happened to peace and loving religion? I dunno.[/quote]

If you're calling Christianity a violent religion because its followers were violent, then that gives everyone the right to call Islam a violent religion because of what has happen not just nowadays, but throughout its history. Put it this way, Jesus didn't go around fighting and stealing from people, Muhammad did. Perhaps some of his followers later on did not do good things, but that hardly is grounds for calling Christian ideology bad.

And if you're talking about the Crusades, the Christians were fighting defensively because none other than the Muslims were invading.

[quote]
Islam didn't spread by the sword… or in other words through oppression. There's bad people and there's good people, there's a person like yourself who claims to be a humble Christian and there's the KKK and Neo-Nazis. True people of God will see heaven and deviant people who thought they were people of God will be sent straight to where they belong… and that's not heaven. Islam does not oppress, but it defends. So why would the people of God go around converting people by force? They would disobey the Laws of God… for what reason? Islam is not about forcing conversions.[/quote]

Didn't Muhammad lead a war against the Meccans? Do you know the history of the Arab states?



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[quote]Also you mentioned something about a Christian convert that's set to die? Well as for the Christian convert, apostasy is considered a crime in Islam and is punished by death. The same rules were practiced by Christians and Jews in the past. Those rules never changed, the people did as they modified their religions. Islam doesn't change its rules.[/b][/quote]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Show me where in Christian and Jewish law it says this.

So I guess Islam isn't very welcoming to other ideologies then?

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Well if you agree that only God can forgive sins… then why confess to another human being? What makes them special or as worthy as God? [/quote]

Confessing your sins to someone doesn't make them as worthy as God.

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Also about the 2nd Commandment with engravings, pictures, drawings, sculpting etc which leads to idolizing...

Drawing and sculpting living things have always been illegal in Islam. [b]
Drawing or sculpting God, his heavens, prophets, angels etc.. is prohibited, but now describing them textually is permitted.

And the funniest argument I heard about drawing, engravings, and sculpting when it comes down to Muslims is they "used" to do it… So what? It has ALWAYS been illegal in Islam. Some people also used to drink and still do. That doesn't mean it is PERMISSIBLE.[/quote]

Good for you?

[quote][b]The Messenger of God (pbuh) said:

"Those who will be most severely punished are those who imitate the creation of God Almighty"
The companion of the Prophet (pbuh) added: If you insist on making pictures I advise you to make pictures of trees and any other unanimated objects.

I'm still wondering why your religion worships someone depicted in pictures and windows in your churches, if it goes against the Law of God.

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WE DON'T WORSHIP IDOLS. Am I making myself clear?

By the way Tama, please learn to use the quote tags. It makes it a lot easier.

[Nymphetamine]

I'm surprised that with a Muslim friend, you don't understand the religion. My best friend knows I have no affinity for religion and she, like your friend, is a Muslim. By not understanding, I mean that you are blaming Islam for terrorists. You must understand that there are radicals and fundamentalists in almost every religion, for example, the Klu Klux Klan supports a white, Christian nation. And, believe it or not, the KKK uses the Bible to support of their reason for hate.

Just because a holy scripture of one religion is used for hate does not mean that the Scripture is hate. When you say that the Qu'ran is flawed because it is an inspiration for hate to suicide bombers, you might as well say that the Bible is an inspiration for hate to the KKK.

You're saying that being Muslim does not give the right for Tama to attack any religion, but you are have been attacking his religion in turn. You guys are really birds of the same feather, or haven't you noticed?

You're getting me wrong, I am in NO way blaming Islam for terrorrism. My response was to his statement saying

The Qur'an is more authentic than the Bible... and Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Qur'an as well. Plus the Bible is one big book of contradictions anyways, where as the Qur'an has no flaws.

I didn't come off as an attacking bitch like he did. It was simply retaliation. If a Christian should have said that the Bible was a book with no flaws, I would have used the KKK example. I am not a Christian, I am not a Muslim, I'm Agnostic. It seems that you do not understand. I will not apologize to Tamacracker for anything I have said. I do admit that I think the Bible has got some contradictions but that doesn't give me the right to 'insult' it the way Tamacracker is doing.

Let me make myself clear; if a CHRISTIAN was acting like Tamacracker (like an idiot) I would defend Islam. I find it to be STUPID when believers think their way is the only way. It's repulsive, you know why? They're all in the same boat, Islam / Christianism / whatever.

I am not like Tamacracker, thank you. I've got a brain.

We don't need to convert you... we don't care about converting. Yes it's nice to convert because Allah rewards you. But Islam can careless for conversions...
I'm a typical Muslim? You're such a disgusting biggot, if you said that in my face.... lol Oh man you're funny. Talk that hatred outside of your house there little boy. Unless you live in Texas or one of those midwest states, then it wouldn't matter, you're all the same. See how this works? You wanna generalize my religion? I can generalize you right back where it hurts.... "small pecker". (that's for disrespecting Prophet Muhammad)

But you know what? You again showed proof of racism/hatred...

Why don't you shut the f-ck up? You're all almost the same (f-cking believers who think that your Religion is better that other Religions). And you think you can 'hurt' me? Hahaha, Osama, this is the internet, you can do NOTHING, idiot. I am a girl, I live in Belgium, come find me fool.
It would be SO much fun when you find out there's no God.

That aside, Sandra, you attitude is partly resonsible for the Islamic people who DO become suicide bombers. A little more understanding, and a little less boom.

How intelligent James. Blame me / people like me for suicide bombing. That statement is pure nonesence. A little more understanding for what?

In my opinion, Religion = hate. Be it Christianism / Islam.

[*I Shot JFK*]

Well, I DO blame the attitudes of people who attack islam for alienating islamic people. and alienation is the first step to becoming an extremist.

a little more understandic of moderate islam, and the role which the vast majority of muslims play in society. It was a perfectly intelligent statement.

i dont care for religion either, but i have more sense than to dislike those who do.

[Nymphetamine]

I am perfectly aware that it doesn't say in the Qu'ran: You all should be suicide bombers. Or did it?
James, you still don't get my point. My mom is a Christian, I would NEVER tell her in her face that the Bible is full of contradictions or whatever bullshit. It's called RESPECT!

Oh yeah, blame me for the Suicide bombers in Iraq, damn I feel responsible! Why don't you blame me for the KKK? Honestly, it wasn't intelligent.

Tamacracker, you think I only hate Islam? Ha! My mom doesn't like Muslims, she's worse than me but most of the time we argue because I am ALWAYS defending Islam and Homosexuality (she hates both). Like I said, if a Christian should act the way you're acting, I would defend Muslims.
I don't see why you should judge Christianism when your Religion isn't exactly perfect either.

[*I Shot JFK*]

I am not solely blaming you, stop being melodramatic. I am telling you that attitudes like those you expressed are partially responsible for muslim alienation, which is in turn responsible for muslim extremism.

and stop misusing the word intelligent, as what you are really saying is that you dont agree with me. Nothing i have said has lacked coherence, or a base in logic. Saying that it is unitelligent is merely you being defensive, and is not helping.

[Nymphetamine]

Ha! Sarcasm isn't your strongest point James. Attitudes like mine are partly the reason why there are suicide bombers? WTF?
This is the first time I've ever come out openly about my disgust for Religions.

Seriously, you're making less sense James.

[*I Shot JFK*]

There wasn't any sarcasm involved in the last post, so reading comprehension clearly isnt your strongest point.

As for it being the first time that you have discussed religion, that would be why i said specifically that i was refering to attitudes like yours, and that i wasn't saying that you personally were responsible for suicide bombers.

Now, i could type the same argument for the third time, but i have no reason to believe that you will miraculously understand the very, very simple concept which i am outlining to you, so i will merely encourage you to read what i've written again. Because, i promise you, it DOES make sense, provided you understand words.

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I am perfectly aware that it doesn't say in the Qu'ran: You all should be suicide bombers. Or did it?
James, you still don't get my point. My mom is a Christian, I would NEVER tell her in her face that the Bible is full of contradictions or whatever bullshit. It's called RESPECT!

Oh yeah, blame me for the Suicide bombers in Iraq, damn I feel responsible! Why don't you blame me for the KKK? Honestly, it wasn't intelligent.

Tamacracker, you think I only hate Islam? Ha! My mom doesn't like Muslims, she's worse than me but most of the time we argue because I am ALWAYS defending Islam and Homosexuality (she hates both). Like I said, if a Christian should act the way you're acting, I would defend Muslims.
I don't see why you should judge Christianism when your Religion isn't exactly perfect either.

You're makin no sense, you hate Islam but you defend it against your mom... your mom is Christian yet she hates in general alot more than you do? Thanks, that's something I already knew about your people... but you don't hear or see me braggin bout your people's hatred for God's creations.

Just study Christology... don't even have to use the Bible to study the religion during the time Jesus was alive and after he died... Christology>Holy Bible/New Testament

[Nymphetamine]

There wasn't any sarcasm involved in the last post, so reading comprehension clearly isnt your strongest point.

Actually, reading comprehension isn't your strongest point because I was referring to my post.

As for it being the first time that you have discussed religion, that would be why i said specifically that i was refering to attitudes like yours, and that i wasn't saying that you personally were responsible for suicide bombers.

That was were I was being sarcastic, James.

Now, i could type the same argument for the third time, but i have no reason to believe that you will miraculously understand the very, very simple concept which i am outlining to you, so i will merely encourage you to read what i've written again. Because, i promise you, it DOES make sense, provided you understand words.

Seriously, spare me the effort. You do not understand my point of view. I won't waste my time reading crap, seriously, I've got important stuff to do, so just stop.

Tamacracker:

You're makin no sense, you hate Islam but you defend it against your mom...

I hate Christianism yet I'm defending it.

your mom is Christian yet she hates in general alot more than you do?

There are Christian racists, moron.

Thanks, that's something I already knew about your people... but you don't hear or see me braggin bout your people's hatred for God's creations.

You're just talking crap. You detest Christianism, deny it or not. You're trying to make your religon seem perfect! Honestly, you're doing a VERY crappy job.

Just study Christology... don't even have to use the Bible to study the religion during the time Jesus was alive and after he died... Christology>Holy Bible/New Testament

Why would I do that?

Let me clear things out kiddo, I am not fond of Religions. It's like the kettle calling the pot black! That's EXACTLY what you're doing.
About Mohammed being a pedophile, I don't believe it. Know why? I don't believe Mohammed ever existed. I merely pointed it out to show you that there are contracdictions / weird stuff in the Qu'ran too. You saying that the Qu'ran has no flaws is BULL SHIT. I am sorry. Even Mohammed wasn't perfect.
I didn't mean to insult you when I posted that link, like I said, I used it as a reference, nothing more.

Anyways, I discussed this whole issue with my Muslim friend who happens to be one of my bestfriends. I am not a Racist, if I was, I wouldn't have a Muslim / Asian Friend. I got brainwashed as a kid by my dad. I am trying to get past this prejudism (is that a word) ? But when I see people acting like you, it makes me . . . you know.

Do you remember when Denmark published an article about the Prophet Mohammed, the Christians in my school were in support of it, I wasn't. We had a debate about it in Class and I was in support of the Muslims. Don't take my hatred to be personal Tamacracker, it switches from time to time. I detest Christians who think their Religion has got no flaws, same goes for Muslims.
It's like a whore calling another girl a whore. You're both whores!

There's no perfect / best Religion. You're all in the same boat.

[Spirited Away]

You're getting me wrong, I am in NO way blaming Islam for terrorrism. My response was to his statement saying
I didn't come off as an attacking bitch like he did. It was simply retaliation. If a Christian should have said that the Bible was a book with no flaws, I would have used the KKK example. I am not a Christian, I am not a Muslim, I'm Agnostic. It seems that you do not understand. I will not apologize to Tamacracker for anything I have said. I do admit that I think the Bible has got some contradictions but that doesn't give me the right to 'insult' it the way Tamacracker is doing.

Let me make myself clear; if a CHRISTIAN was acting like Tamacracker (like an idiot) I would defend Islam. I find it to be STUPID when believers think their way is the only way. It's repulsive, you know why? They're all in the same boat, Islam / Christianism / whatever.

I am not like Tamacracker, thank you. I've got a brain.
Why don't you shut the f-ck up? You're all almost the same (f-cking believers who think that your Religion is better that other Religions). And you think you can 'hurt' me? Hahaha, Osama, this is the internet, you can do NOTHING, idiot. I am a girl, I live in Belgium, come find me fool.
It would be SO much fun when you find out there's no God.
How intelligent James. Blame me / people like me for suicide bombing. That statement is pure nonesence. A little more understanding for what?

In my opinion, Religion = hate. Be it Christianism / Islam.

I'm only getting you wrong, Sandra, because you gave me a wrong impression of yourself when you use the same kind of insult tatic he did. That's where the proverbial birds of a feather comes into play.

As for Tama, if he doesn't understand that his kind of "argument" (more like insults to me) is the crux of why people are attacking Islam in this forum, I have nothing further to contribute.

[Nymphetamine]

I came off as a Racist (I just read my posts) which I'm not. I only acted like Tamacracker, like a fool I mean. I find it to be extremely insulting when he condemns another Religion. He's portraying Islam to be the perfect Religion which bugs me.

About the pedophile thing, like I explained earlier, it's a bowl of shit, I don't believe Mohammed ever existed.

Anyways, I'm sorry if I gave you the wrong impression of me.

[Spirited Away]

I know what you mean and it's okay now that you clear yourself up. I'm not Christian either and I was a little offended as well, but I was also offended by what you said about Islam in anger. Against these kinds of people, it's best to let them bark whatever they want so they'll shut up sooner, in my opinion. Ils sont fous et nous négligeons des gens fous, n'est-ce pas?

[Nymphetamine]

Oui, t'as raison. Ils sont fous. Wow, I say crap when I'm angry.

Anyways, I don't know why people write in tiny-size, bright pink or green color fonts either.

[*kryogenix*]

Against these kinds of people, it's best to let them bark whatever they want so they'll shut up sooner, in my opinion. Ils sont fous et nous négligeons des gens fous, n'est-ce pas?

When you say this, you don't mean me, do you?

[EddieV]

All this argument is why I should bring in my religious belief. Potenium. It's not what side you choose, it's how you interpret what you're taught, and what way you use it that makes you good or evil.

[Nymphetamine]

Eddie, you're evil.

[Spirited Away]

No, James, of course I don't mean you. You I can stand. I meant the kinds of insults Tama has been throwing left and right. When you and I debate, at least we're civil and respectful even though we are on opposite ends religion wise.

[EddieV]

Eddie, you're evil.

Clouded your mind is, the darkside I sense in you! Give in to your hate! It will only make you stronger!

[Nymphetamine]

When you say this, you don't mean me, do you?

I'm sure she didn't.

EDIT//
EDDIEEE! Stop hypnotizing me!!

[EddieV]

It's really working? I thought I can only influence the weak minded...