gay marriages, UHHHH!! Options

[sarahcastro]

I think gay marrige is wrong its not the way god created the world and it sets a bad example foramericas youth what if they grow up think that same sex marrige is the way the world is supposed to be?

[xXYouMeBedNowXx]

^ As if Marriage could not be thought of as something that isn't "supposed to be."

[BrokenDream]

In my religion, it's a sin (Christian).

When God created the world, he wanted to repopulated the world. That's when Adam and Eve were created, and God wanted them to repopulate.

I agree with you,
I'd thought that gay marriages were allowed, the population would lower.

I'm against it. That's just what I think. Don't get fussy. :\

[*mipadi*]

I'd thought that gay marriages were allowed, the population would lower.

I dispute that the legalization of gay marriage would result in a significantly lower population, but assuming that it would, that's not necessarily a bad thing. The earth has reached or is beginning to reach the maximum amount of life it can sustain, and overpopulation is causing a host of problems worldwide. Reducing our population would benefit all of mankind.

[*yrrnotelekktric*]

^i so agree.

i`m for it.

[*I Shot JFK*]

In my religion, it's a sin (Christian).

When God created the world, he wanted to repopulated the world. That's when Adam and Eve were created, and God wanted them to repopulate.

I agree with you,
I'd thought that gay marriages were allowed, the population would lower.

I'm against it. That's just what I think. Don't get fussy. :\

that is the most ridiculous piece of false logic that i have ever heard. well, no, it isnt, but it's WAY up there.

you do realize that the legalization of gay marriage would in no way prevent heterosexual marriage, right?

[AngelinaTaylor]

In my religion, it's a sin (Christian).

When God created the world, he wanted to repopulated the world. That's when Adam and Eve were created, and God wanted them to repopulate.

I agree with you,
I'd thought that gay marriages were allowed, the population would lower.

I'm against it. That's just what I think. Don't get fussy. :\

So if God created the world, he created homosexuals as well. They were born this way. So they'll go to hell because they're the way he made them?

Seems a little illogical to me.

And it would be a GOOD thing, as many said, if the population lowers.

[*disco infiltrator*]

The population would not fluxuate due to the legalization of homosexual marriages. Just because homosexual couples are not allowed to wed does not mean that they do not exist. They are still together, living together, adopting children - doing everything that normal couples do besides marrying. The same amount of people would be having children after legalization of gay marriage as are right now. There would be no difference whatsoever. It is quite silly to think that the population would drop, because there will be gay people being with other gay people whether they are allowed to be married or not. The same amount of people will be having children and the same amount of people will not be having children.

[*Uronacid*]

So if God created the world, he created homosexuals as well. They were born this way. So they'll go to hell because they're the way he made them?

Seems a little illogical to me.

And it would be a GOOD thing, as many said, if the population lowers.

God created all poeple and gave them to ability to make choices. People arn't born gay. I believe they choose to be gay. Whether they do it subconciously, or conciously it is their descision. He didn't design people to goto hell.

This falls under the "did God create sin?" catagory.

I don't think that humans would even be able to comprehend love if they were perfect. God created humans without sin, but gave us the ability to do it. Love cannot exist if you do not have a choice. If you loved everyone, and everything was perfect could love really exist? Love is a sacrifice. Love is doing whats best for others. Love is putting others needs above your own. You love by making a choice to love. If sin or hell didn't exist, then love would not exist either. God created sin so He could demonstrate love to us, and also give us the ability to demonstrate love Him/other.

I don't believe all homosexuals goto hell, but I do believe that homosexuality is wrong (very wrong). As a christian homosexuality is just like any other sin. It is a sin, and God will judge you for it. The bible clearly states it. This doesn't mean you are going to hell. Everyone will be judge before they enter the gates of heaven.

The only way you can argue homosexuality being morally right or wrong is from a christian stand piont. For all you people who don't believe in God, it is your choice to do as you please. I can't tell you what is right or wrong, and I can see why what you believe in would be apealing. There are no strings attached to your life. It doesn't really matter what you do as-long-as it feels good and you aren't hurting anyone. I cannot convince you to believe that homosexuality is wrong if you don't believe in a religion. What's the piont, but I can debate people who say things about God.

XD

[AngelinaTaylor]

God created all poeple and gave them to ability to make choices. People arn't born gay. I believe they choose to be gay. Whether they do it subconciously, or conciously it is their descision. He didn't design people to goto hell.

This falls under the "did God create sin?" catagory.

I don't think that humans would even be able to comprehend love if they were perfect. God created humans without sin, but gave us the ability to do it. Love cannot exist if you do not have a choice. If you loved everyone, and everything was perfect could love really exist? Love is a sacrifice. Love is doing whats best for others. Love is putting others needs above your own. You love by making a choice to love. If sin or hell didn't exist, then love would not exist either. God created sin so He could demonstrate love to us, and also give us the ability to demonstrate love Him/other.

I don't believe all homosexuals goto hell, but I do believe that homosexuality is wrong (very wrong). As a christian homosexuality is just like any other sin. It is a sin, and God will judge you for it. The bible clearly states it. This doesn't mean you are going to hell. Everyone will be judge before they enter the gates of heaven.

The only way you can argue homosexuality being morally right or wrong is from a christian stand piont. For all you people who don't believe in God, it is your choice to do as you please. I can't tell you what is right or wrong, and I can see why what you believe in would be apealing. There are no strings attached to your life. It doesn't really matter what you do as-long-as it feels good and you aren't hurting anyone. I cannot convince you to believe that homosexuality is wrong if you don't believe in a religion. What's the piont, but I can debate people who say things about God.

XD

Actually, yes they are born gay. It's been proven that their chromosomes aren't the same like other people's.

And please, don't talk to me about God and the bible.. Because in MY opinion (don't get fussy), the bible is full of shit.

But that's just me. If you think it's wrong, don't be a homosexual. But don't hate on people, because they have no choice.

[*T0rmented_Soul*]

yeah just as everyone was saying, you may not like the fact that gay people are getting married, but you also can't deny the fact that people are born gay, since their born gay does that make them any less of a human? Gay people aren't mean, alot of them are nice. Yeah maybe some of them have real hard problems coming out, and resolve to suicide. That's because they feel as if their not welcomed or that their sexuality, will always be against them, thus questioning why god has made them gay.

[*I Shot JFK*]

can i just ask, why would someone CHOOSE to be something which opens them up to other eople's narrow mindedness the way homosexuality does?

god created sin so that people could love him... how shallow...

[NoSex]

can i just ask, why would someone CHOOSE to be something which opens them up to other eople's narrow mindedness the way homosexuality does?

god created sin so that people could love him... how shallow...

Completely agree. But, as this seems to be going into the direction of a debate on this specific question, "Is Homosexuality a Choice?" I would love to direct our debators to this old topic.

"Are people born gay?"

As for this discussion, I can see how the fact that people are actually born gay could strengthen a pro-gay-marriage position. However, I think that it is largely irrelevant. The main issue I have, and what I believe to be the most pervasive argument for gay marriages, is freedom.

We live in a country which prescribes itself as free. If this is true, people should be free to make their choices. Freedom should be self-sustaining in the sense that we are free to the degree in which we hold a duty to protect the freedoms of our neighbors. This self-sustaining freedom results in the existence of rights. With our structure of government, we pay taxes as an agreement with our country to ensure our rights and liberties. Granted that a homosexual couple pays the same taxes as us, they are, by the virtue of freedom, their human rights, and the constitution of the United States, guaranteed the prospect of marriage recognized and under the state. We can not call ourselves free unless this is true.

Ontop of this, the reality of a gay marriage does not, in any way, shape or form, do harm to anyone, in an reasonable sense. Because of that, I find no serious objection to the right of a homosexual to marry his or her own gender.

[*T0rmented_Soul*]

Completely agree. But, as this seems to be going into the direction of a debate on this specific question, "Is Homosexuality a Choice?" I would love to direct our debators to this old topic.

"Are people born gay?"

As for this discussion, I can see how the fact that people are actually born gay could strengthen a pro-gay-marriage position. However, I think that it is largely irrelevant. The main issue I have, and what I believe to be the most pervasive argument for gay marriages, is freedom.

We live in a country which prescribes itself as free. If this is true, people should be free to make their choices. Freedom should be self-sustaining in the sense that we are free to the degree in which we hold a duty to protect the freedoms of our neighbors. This self-sustaining freedom results in the existence of rights. With our structure of government, we we pay taxes as an agreement with our country to ensure our rights and liberties. Granted that a homosexual couple pays the same taxes as us, they are, by the virtue of freedom, their human rights, and the constitution of the United States, guaranteed the prospect of marriage recognized and under the state. We can not call ourselves free unless this is true.

Ontop of this, the reality of a gay marriage does not, in any way, shape or form, do harm to anyone, in an reasonable sense. Because of that, I find no serious objection to the right of a homosexual to marry his or her own gender.

damn dude, thats deep and true itself. Genetically wise, I find it true to believe that Gay run in some family genes. as for My uncles some of them are gay about the chances are the youngest become gay, in family's case though. My little brother out of 3 figured out he was gay, and was scared to tell anyone thinking that we'd neglect him. But as you said, JFK why would someone choose to be something that would fall upon the narrow mindness of people as in homosexuality. Sure they have the choice to tell about their sexuality, but why would they keep something inside them and not tell anyone, while they are subjected to like Women, but thats not being them selves is it? My brother chose to tell us that he was gay, he didn't like hiding behind a peronality that wasn't him, and if the freedom of human rights stand true, they he had no reason to be scared to tell us, I think not less of him, but he still my brother. I think that's why people choose to open up to the narrow mindedness of people, Because everyone is different, not many people can be what you want them to be, or wish they can be.

[.Just.A.Dream.]

What it all comes down to is that it's their life and they can do what they want. Besides, what's wrong with marrying someone of the same gender if you're in love? Passing a law that says they can't is just plain wrong. For all of you saying that it's gross: how would you like it if you weren't allowed to marry who you wanted?
Sorry, I'm getting intense again...

[AngelinaTaylor]

Completely agree. But, as this seems to be going into the direction of a debate on this specific question, "Is Homosexuality a Choice?" I would love to direct our debators to this old topic.

"Are people born gay?"

As for this discussion, I can see how the fact that people are actually born gay could strengthen a pro-gay-marriage position. However, I think that it is largely irrelevant. The main issue I have, and what I believe to be the most pervasive argument for gay marriages, is freedom.

We live in a country which prescribes itself as free. If this is true, people should be free to make their choices. Freedom should be self-sustaining in the sense that we are free to the degree in which we hold a duty to protect the freedoms of our neighbors. This self-sustaining freedom results in the existence of rights. With our structure of government, we pay taxes as an agreement with our country to ensure our rights and liberties. Granted that a homosexual couple pays the same taxes as us, they are, by the virtue of freedom, their human rights, and the constitution of the United States, guaranteed the prospect of marriage recognized and under the state. We can not call ourselves free unless this is true.

Ontop of this, the reality of a gay marriage does not, in any way, shape or form, do harm to anyone, in an reasonable sense. Because of that, I find no serious objection to the right of a homosexual to marry his or her own gender.

I love you

[*Uronacid*]

Actually, yes they are born gay. It's been proven that their chromosomes aren't the same like other people's.

And please, don't talk to me about God and the bible.. Because in MY opinion (don't get fussy), the bible is full of shit.

But that's just me. If you think it's wrong, don't be a homosexual. But don't hate on people, because they have no choice.

If you don't want people to talk about God, then don't refer to God in your posts. I know it's your opinion. Why should I be offended by it... :P I clearly stated that homosexiaulity is a religious issue. If you are christian or belong to a religion that doesn't support gay marraige than you have a reason not to support gay marriage, and If you arn't a christian then you are discriminating.

damn dude, thats deep and true itself. Genetically wise, I find it true to believe that Gay run in some family genes. as for My uncles some of them are gay about the chances are the youngest become gay, in family's case though. My little brother out of 3 figured out he was gay, and was scared to tell anyone thinking that we'd neglect him. But as you said, JFK why would someone choose to be something that would fall upon the narrow mindness of people as in homosexuality. Sure they have the choice to tell about their sexuality, but why would they keep something inside them and not tell anyone, while they are subjected to like Women, but thats not being them selves is it? My brother chose to tell us that he was gay, he didn't like hiding behind a peronality that wasn't him, and if the freedom of human rights stand true, they he had no reason to be scared to tell us, I think not less of him, but he still my brother. I think that's why people choose to open up to the narrow mindedness of people, Because everyone is different, not many people can be what you want them to be, or wish they can be.

Well, I don't believe that you can be born gay. Just because homosexuality can run in a family, doesn't mean that you are born gay. People who have parents that are criminals often become crimals themselves. Does this mean that there is a crimial gene? No, it just means they take after and learn fomr the people that they are close to.

People do deserve their freedom... is it possible that people should give eachother the right to sin just as God gave us the right to sin? (if you don't percieve it as a sin, then you have to look at it from my p.o.v as a christian.)

[*I Shot JFK*]

If you don't want people to talk about God, then don't refer to God in your posts. I know it's your opinion. Why should I be offended by it... :P I clearly stated that homosexiaulity is a religious issue. If you are christian or belong to a religion that doesn't support gay marraige than you have a reason not to support gay marriage, and If you arn't a christian then you are discriminating.
Well, I don't believe that you can be born gay. Just because homosexuality can run in a family, doesn't mean that you are born gay. People who have parents that are criminals often become crimals themselves. Does this mean that there is a crimial gene? No, it just means they take after and learn fomr the people that they are close to.

People do deserve their freedom... is it possible that people should give eachother the right to sin just as God gave us the right to sin? (if you don't percieve it as a sin, then you have to look at it from my p.o.v as a christian.)

no.. actually if you're christian, and you use it as an argument against gay marriage, that would still be discrimination... you just happen to have a really old book on your side.

your point of view AS A CHRISTIAN is entirely irrelevant, given that no religious law governs the united states. if you can give some justification for your views OTHER than the fact that an unproven diety doesnt like it, THEN you will become relevant. there is no reason to see anything from a christian pov when debating a legislative issue.

[AngelinaTaylor]

[quote name='Uronacid' date='Aug 11 2006, 11:52 AM' post='2229372']
If you don't want people to talk about God, then don't refer to God in your posts. I know it's your opinion. Why should I be offended by it... :P I clearly stated that homosexiaulity is a religious issue. If you are christian or belong to a religion that doesn't support gay marraige than you have a reason not to support gay marriage, and If you arn't a christian then you are discriminating. [/quote]

Um. I was replying to a post, which involved god. Simple as that.

And please explain to my how exactly I am discriminating, because I'm failing to follow your logic. Just because I'm an athetist, I'm discriminating? How? Against who?

[qupte]Well, I don't believe that you can be born gay. Just because homosexuality can run in a family, doesn't mean that you are born gay. People who have parents that are criminals often become crimals themselves. Does this mean that there is a crimial gene? No, it just means they take after and learn fomr the people that they are close to.[/quote]

It's nothing to believe. I'm pretty sure it's been proven. It's not genetic, but there is a biological explanation for it. By the way. How many gay/lesbian people have you met? A few of my close friends are lesbians, and I really, really don't think they've "chosen" to be that way.

Also, there was a guy on Dr. Phil a while ago, and the show caught my interest, because he said he's extremely religious and he's tried EVERYTHING to change, but it just doesn't happen. He said he absolutely did NOT want to be this way.

Why is he like that, then, if it's true that gay people "choose" to be gay?

[quote]People do deserve their freedom... is it possible that people should give eachother the right to sin just as God gave us the right to sin? (if you don't percieve it as a sin, then you have to look at it from my p.o.v as a christian.)
[/quote]

I don't see how it can possibly be a sin to be homosexual. People are born this way, and if I were christian, I'd think that god created them that way. Since he created everything ;)

[*Uronacid*]

no.. actually if you're christian, and you use it as an argument against gay marriage, that would still be discrimination... you just happen to have a really old book on your side.

your point of view AS A CHRISTIAN is entirely irrelevant, given that no religious law governs the united states. if you can give some justification for your views OTHER than the fact that an unproven diety doesnt like it, THEN you will become relevant. there is no reason to see anything from a christian pov when debating a legislative issue.

It's only discrimination from your piont of view. To us we are doing the right thing. To you it's a really old book because you do't believe in i, but to us it's more than just a book.

You are wrong. Many religuos laws govern the united states because so many people believe in God. It may be indirect, but it's still true. The majority of people in the united states are christians, and make many descitions when they vote basede upon their morals given to them by the bible.

Also, the debate of homosexual marriages is a moral issue. For many, the only reason gay marraige is apposed is becuase it is agianst their morals. Telling someone who works their God into every area of their life to totally disregard him in making a descition like this is not going to happen.

Um. I was replying to a post, which involved god. Simple as that.

And please explain to my how exactly I am discriminating, because I'm failing to follow your logic. Just because I'm an athetist, I'm discriminating? How? Against who?

You didn't understand what I was saying about discrimination. If you aren't a christian you are discriminating if you do not give homosexuals the right to marry because you would have no reason to vote against it.

[font=Comic Sans Ms]It's nothing to believe. I'm pretty sure it's been proven. It's not genetic, but there is a biological explanation for it. By the way. How many gay/lesbian people have you met? A few of my close friends are lesbians, and I really, really don't think they've "chosen" to be that way.

Also, there was a guy on Dr. Phil a while ago, and the show caught my interest, because he said he's extremely religious and he's tried EVERYTHING to change, but it just doesn't happen. He said he absolutely did NOT want to be this way.

Why is he like that, then, if it's true that gay people "choose" to be gay?

give me a web site or something that say it's been proven... People have theories. Like you said, "I'm pretty sure it's been proven ", It doesn't sound like you are 100% sure. People make choices subconciously, and do things that they feel they cannot help doing all the time. Nothing has been proven, and if it has... prove me wrong.

I don't see how it can possibly be a sin to be homosexual. People are born this way, and if I were christian, I'd think that god created them that way. Since he created everything ;)

Hey, I can see where you would have an argument if people were born gay... but I don't believe people are born gay.

[oXMuhNirvanaXo]

I'm not opposed to it because...
1. I don't care
2. If you don't like the idea, then don't think about it.
3. It's their lives, not ours...

Agreed!

[*I Shot JFK*]

1)It's only discrimination from your piont of view. To us we are doing the right thing. To you it's a really old book because you do't believe in i, but to us it's more than just a book.

2)You are wrong. Many religuos laws govern the united states because so many people believe in God. It may be indirect, but it's still true. The majority of people in the united states are christians, and make many descitions when they vote basede upon their morals given to them by the bible.

3)Also, the debate of homosexual marriages is a moral issue. For many, the only reason gay marraige is apposed is becuase it is agianst their morals. Telling someone who works their God into every area of their life to totally disregard him in making a descition like this is not going to happen.
4) You didn't understand what I was saying about discrimination. If you aren't a christian you are discriminating if you do not give homosexuals the right to marry because you would have no reason to vote against it.
give me a web site or something that say it's been proven... People have theories. Like you said, "I'm pretty sure it's been proven ", It doesn't sound like you are 100% sure. People make choices subconciously, and do things that they feel they cannot help doing all the time. Nothing has been proven, and if it has... prove me wrong.
Hey, I can see where you would have an argument if people were born gay... but I don't believe people are born gay.

1) wrong. it is STILL DISCRIMINATION. the difference is that you believe it is the right thing. denying someone equal rights IS dicrimination, whether or not you're deluded enough to think it is for their own good or not. Tricking yourself into thinking your on the moral highground is not particularly useful to anyone.

2) Perfectly true. However, the debate is about whether or not gay marriage SHOULD BE legal, and if the only justification people can give is their religion, then it MUST NOT be allowed to cloud the government's judgment. Freedom from religion, kiddo.

3) Well, if someone cannot distance themselves from something so personal as their religion in making this kind of decision, then they have no business making said decisions.

4) See point 1 Re: Delusions. And also, I have a feeling that she understood what you said, but is sart enough to see that you are kidding yourself.

[AngelinaTaylor]

You didn't understand what I was saying about discrimination. If you aren't a christian you are discriminating if you do not give homosexuals the right to marry because you would have no reason to vote against it.

First of all - I'm not against it. Second of all, that's completely untrue because people do have other reasons to be against it EVEN IF they are not Christian. Some people see it morally wrong. Some people just don't think it's normal. I still don't get your logic here. Or the point you're trying to prove ...

People have theories.

Just like the evolution theory. I understand that the "born gay" issue hasn't been completely proved, but it's a pretty good theory. In time, I'm sure they'll prove it.

You still didn't answer/comment on some of my questions:

By the way. How many gay/lesbian people have you met? A few of my close friends are lesbians, and I really, really don't think they've "chosen" to be that way.

Also, there was a guy on Dr. Phil a while ago, and the show caught my interest, because he said he's extremely religious and he's tried EVERYTHING to change, but it just doesn't happen. He said he absolutely did NOT want to be this way.

Why is he like that, then, if it's true that gay people "choose" to be gay?

[*I Shot JFK*]

First of all - I'm not against it. Second of all, that's completely untrue because people do have other reasons to be against it EVEN IF they are not Christian. Some people see it morally wrong. Some people just don't think it's normal. I still don't get your logic here. Or the point you're trying to prove ...

to reinforce that, a friend of mine is the most rabidly homophobic person i have ever met, and also a complete athiest.

[AngelinaTaylor]

to reinforce that, a friend of mine is the most rabidly homophobic person i have ever met, and also a complete athiest.

Exactly.