Abortion Options

[tkproduce]

Different places in the world have different laws on abortion. Some states allow abortion up to a certain age of the foetus, while others don't allow it at all.

So what do you think? Are you in favor of it or against it? When does the baby, which starts off as a ball consisting only of a few cells inside the womb, actually start to count as a human being? Please give some explanation behind your point of view, putting into consideration things such as unwanted pregnancies.

[Trau]

because a majority of this thread is about making abortion illegal

I haven't seen legality discussed in this thread and if it has been discussed, that context was left behind a while ago.

people's beliefs should be taken into account? Anyone's beliefs? or any specifics?

Why are you asking? Where are you going with this?

[*disco infiltrator*]

Actually, legality of abortion is and has been the point of this thread from the beginning...that's why people have been continuing to ask for a point opposing abortion other than the religious right (that or "it's living", because the scientific community has already proven that it is not, which I had shown a while back, but no one pays attention), because a religion's wishes (should) have no say in our country's laws.

[Trau]

Actually, legality of abortion is and has been the point of this thread from the beginning...that's why people have been continuing to ask for a point opposing abortion other than the religious right (that or "it's living", because the scientific community has already proven that it is not, which I had shown a while back, but no one pays attention), because a religion's wishes (should) have no say in our country's laws.

The opening post gives this prompt:

So what do you think? Are you in favor of it or against it? When does the baby, which starts off as a ball consisting only of a few cells inside the womb, actually start to count as a human being? Please give some explanation behind your point of view, putting into consideration things such as unwanted pregnancies.

The only mention of law is in its preface.

By the way, how has science shown that fetuses aren't living? Or that human embryos aren't living?

[sadolakced acid]

you'll see.

anyways, usually the opening post isn't that good. i haven't read this one lately, so i can't say, but tha'ts how it usually goes.

the pace is established in the first 3 pages or so.

[angel-roh]

I always thought abortion was bad, but to think of that. I was thinking it more clearly because there are people who can't have babies if they do they can die.

And I found out that if I have a baby, I might die. I got so scared hearing that. My stomach is THAT BAD.

So yeah if I got raped xD i have to of course do abortion. even if thats a sin.

i don't wana die

[Tyweezy]

Pro-life all da way. Life's life. You can't just take it away no matter what the circumstances. I can see how it's tough for rape victims, but they shouldn't take it out on the unborn child. The rape victim has already become a victim. Don't let the unborn child become a victim as well.

I sorta agree with you. But if its a rape the women should take the baby out if she dosent want itt. And theres always adoption.

[*ECD & C0*]

I sorta agree with you. But if its a rape the women should take the baby out if she dosent want itt. And theres always adoption.

if it rape yeah that sucks but at least let the kid live i mean god it wont kill you people will understand ADOPTION ALL THE WAY

[*AngelicEyz00*]

if it rape yeah that sucks but at least let the kid live i mean god it wont kill you people will understand ADOPTION ALL THE WAY

And it wouldn't kill you "people" to understand abortion.

[Trau]

And it wouldn't kill you "people" to understand abortion.

We understand it completely.

[BlueDevilMax007]

if a girl wants an abortion, go for it. i might be a little more against it, but (i know this sounds harsh) the world is getting overpopulated, so it doesnt make a whole lot of sense to force someone to have a kid.

[*RockizLife*]

if a girl wants an abortion, go for it. i might be a little more against it, but (i know this sounds harsh) the world is getting overpopulated, so it doesnt make a whole lot of sense to force someone to have a kid.

And so that enforces abortion?

Ok, this will sound really harsh but it's the facts. The reason we're overpopulating the world is because we're going against natural selection. We're keeping mentally retarded people alive well past ages that they should be. We're keeping people with diseases that should have been dead years ago alive. We're coming up with medicines to cure every problem in society. That's why we're overpopulated.

Now, don't get me wrong. That's not my personal opinion, that's just the facts. I have an aunt and a cousin who are both severely mentally ill and I love them both very much. They've helped us appreciate life a lot more. I know I do. Maybe that's why I don't support abortion.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

We understand it completely.

We understand adoption completely.

[AngelinaTaylor]

And it wouldn't kill you "people" to understand abortion.

Agreed.

Taylor``

[Ajmalhuuss]

We understand it completely.

The truth is that most people do not understand abortion at all. This is why we get comments like these:

if a girl wants an abortion, go for it. i might be a little more against it, but (i know this sounds harsh) the world is getting overpopulated, so it doesnt make a whole lot of sense to force someone to have a kid.

[Ington]

And so that enforces abortion?

Ok, this will sound really harsh but it's the facts. The reason we're overpopulating the world is because we're going against natural selection. We're keeping mentally retarded people alive well past ages that they should be. We're keeping people with diseases that should have been dead years ago alive. We're coming up with medicines to cure every problem in society. That's why we're overpopulated.

Now, don't get me wrong. That's not my personal opinion, that's just the facts. I have an aunt and a cousin who are both severely mentally ill and I love them both very much. They've helped us appreciate life a lot more. I know I do. Maybe that's why I don't support abortion.

...No?

We have quite a while left until the world becomes overpopulated. Some areas are overpopulated, but in general, the world is not overpopulated. We're nowhere near the resource limits.

[*RockizLife*]

...No?

We have quite a while left until the world becomes overpopulated. Some areas are overpopulated, but in general, the world is not overpopulated. We're nowhere near the resource limits.

I agree, but I think the person who I replied to was talking about the rate at which we are overpopulating. At least, that's what I think they meant. Notice how they said getting overpopulated.

[Ington]

At this stage of the growing population, abortions would not be a proper fight against overpopulation.

[Trau]

The truth is that most people do not understand abortion at all. This is why we get comments like these:

Very true.

[sadolakced acid]

it's time for a new thread.

[*RockizLife*]

At this stage of the growing population, abortions would not be a proper fight against overpopulation.

Yeahhh, that's kind of what I said. Just not as straight to the point.

[Comptine]

...No?

We have quite a while left until the world becomes overpopulated. Some areas are overpopulated, but in general, the world is not overpopulated. We're nowhere near the resource limits.

so is that suppose to mean that we can wait and do absolutely nothing till the world is overpopulated and we're facing even more food shortages (this time worldwide - not just third world countries) and high levels of displacement and pollution? i rather take measures now when the world is just getting overpopulated.

no, abortion is definitely not a way to control the world's population. but you have to agree, it would lower the amount of children being born, therefore, the amount of people. i just support pro-choice because without women's rights to abortion, the population of unwanted, and probably unloved, children will increase. this has a rippling affect because a neglected children can led to a higher crime rate, increased diagnosises of medical diseases, and many other things we want to protect children from ever growing up to be. i'm not saying it's going to happen 100% but the chances increase when you force someone to do something they desperately don't want to.

[*ECD & C0*]

if a girl wants an abortion, go for it. i might be a little more against it, but (i know this sounds harsh) the world is getting overpopulated, so it doesnt make a whole lot of sense to force someone to have a kid.

if we get overpopulated its our own fault for going and having sex not the childs fault dont kill the child

[sadolakced acid]

wow. that's groovy.

i just love your opinion.

it is worth the same as my opinion.

because mine is backed by logic and facts, and yours isn't.

i mean, we woudln't want to use facts or logic, would we?

then we'd be in danger of actuallly having a debate!

to think!

[Comptine]

if we get overpopulated its our own fault for going and having sex not the childs fault dont kill the child

there really is no blame to be put in the world's population. it's a natural (well... as natural as it can right now with such advancements in medicine) part of the world's civilizations. it's simple math. it started with the ancient civilizations and their success. their success made their population thrive and then the new generation thrives and have more families and then it continues. the world isn't 'overpopulated' or whatever because people are having rabid sex and popping babies out.

[NinjaxMageLayout...]

if a girl wants an abortion, go for it. i might be a little more against it, but (i know this sounds harsh) the world is getting overpopulated, so it doesnt make a whole lot of sense to force someone to have a kid.

thats the most dumist sh-t i ever read.