gay marriages, UHHHH!! Options

[*mipadi*]

Like it or not, marriage is no longer purely a religious ceremony—it is a government construct as well. People wishing to get married must obtain a license, and marriages are recognized by the government. Married couples receive many government perks.

As such, limiting marriage to a man and a woman is clearly discriminatory. Homosexuals are taxpayers, and as such, deserve the same benefits and protections as any other taxpayer. President Bush and other Congressional Republicans never say that a gay person's tax money isn't good enough to accept, so why should his wedding vows be any different?

[*swtcherriipie*]

Hmm good topic..

♥-Im Bisexual
♥-Im OPPOSED to gay ADOPTION not marrige.
♥-Who cares what people do with their lives..
♥-Who cares who has sex with who, as long as it dosent ivolve you then W/E.
♥-*MARRIGE IS ABOUT LOVE NOT how gay someone is or SEXUALITY.

[flc]

♥-Im OPPOSED to gay ADOPTION not marrige.

How come you're opposed to that?

And you really like big bold font.

[*Teenage Mutant Ninja Meg*]

I'm 100% for Gay Marriage and Gay Rights because it is their life, not ours and I believe nobody (not even a government) should have the right to decide who they can and can't be in love with.

iSupport

[CHiiCKENBUTT]

I'm not opposed to it because...
1. I don't care
2. If you don't like the idea, then don't think about it.
3. It's their lives, not ours...

I don't know what religion they would be married under... Jesus was 'accepts everyone for who they are' but some people don't-- and some people are assholes and would rebel against it.

^^ you're HECCA right !

[muffingirlsays]

I am TOTALLY for same sex marriages because:

1) There's nothing WRONG with it (ignore the Bible for the moment, please )
2) It's LOVE. Love can't be limited - that's not right!
3) I believe everyone has to have a decision on who to love, marry and stay with for the rest of their lives. If it somehow comes down to being a person of the same sex, then so be it.

I'm just really open about this - I have a lot of gay/les friends and I know that they're not doing anything 'wrong'. It's just a different view of the world. Saying "NO!" to same sex marriage is like "No, you're view on the world is wrong. Mine is. So shut the hell up and listen to what I have to say."

How hypocritical is THAT?

[mighty megan]

i am actually perfectly fine with it
like half of my good guy friends are gay another third are bi.. and all the rest act like it i guess you can say.. mostly most of me and my friends wouldnt be suprised if they came out
but i slso dont mind it because im bi and lean alot more towards the lez side
but heres my opinionabout why i think its okay

1.marrige is about love not gender, race or any of that junk
2.if you dont like it then dont think about it its there choice it shouldnt be affecting you
3.and you only live once you should live it to the fullest with who you love and marrige is a way of letting the world know your love =]

[*mipadi*]

In a desperate attempt to help his ailing poll numbers, Bush is once again proposing an amendment prohibiting gay marriage.

Of course, the amendment is highly unlikely to pass, and is just an attempt at playing politics as usual. I think Rep. Reid summed it up best:

"The reason for this debate is to divide our society, to pit one against another," Reid said in remarks prepared for delivery on the Senate floor. "This is another one of the president's efforts to frighten, to distort, to distract and to confuse America. It is this administration’s way of avoiding the tough, real problems that American citizens are confronted with each and every day."

Emphasis added, of course.

[sadolakced acid]

islamic fundamentalists, i believe, are against gays.

ergo, anyone against gays is a terrorist.

[NoSex]

In a desperate attempt to help his ailing poll numbers, Bush is once again proposing an amendment prohibiting gay marriage.

I watched the majority of that Senate discussion on C-SPAN today. It was pretty decent. Most of the republican ('Most' as in: Everyone's but Mccain) speeches that I saw were entire bullshit. It was pretty awful. But, there was a handful of really decent domocratic speeches.

Yeah, this is clearly political play. It's rather unfortunate.

[Comik-knerd]

Ok NO!! it is hurting ppl it's hurting sociaty and the people! it is not how it is intended to be! And Also When gay ppl "Do it" as you so lightly put it. that's how aids spread.. and aids was started becouse of "beastiality". and that is beastiality, Of course there still ppl and not worse then anyone else becouse we've all sinned. and of course God still loves them. but it's what there doing that God doesn't like.

and also Animals are never Gay becouse nature knows that's not the way it's sapposed to be.. Now i'm not talking about those animals that can be male and female that is TOTALLY differant and nobody can say otherwise.

so that's why i'm saying NO to gay marrieges..

[*mipadi*]

Ok NO!! it is hurting ppl it's hurting sociaty and the people! it is not how it is intended to be! And Also When gay ppl "Do it" as you so lightly put it. that's how aids spread.. and aids was started becouse of "beastiality". and that is beastiality, Of course there still ppl and not worse then anyone else becouse we've all sinned. and of course God still loves them. but it's what there doing that God doesn't like.

and also Animals are never Gay becouse nature knows that's not the way it's sapposed to be.. Now i'm not talking about those animals that can be male and female that is TOTALLY differant and nobody can say otherwise.

so that's why i'm saying NO to gay marrieges..

Your information is not only wrong in some significant areas, but completely unsourced as well.

It's great to form an intelligent opinion. It's not so great to form an opinion based on ignorance and misinformation. Here are a few facts that are incorrect or misleading:

1. The gay community is not completely to blame for spreading AIDS. Furthermore, by that logic, no one should have sex, as heterosexual partners can transmit hepatitis, gonorrhea, AIDS, and a whole host of other diseases.
2. Why do you say it's "hurting society"? Where's the evidence? Where's the proof that a gay couple that gets marriage is hurting society? And what of the fact that most marriages end in divorce—doesn't that do more to hurt society?
3. I'm not going to even touch the bestiality thing, because that's completely inaccurate. Check up on the history of AIDS.
4. Animals do exhibit homosexual behavior (see earlier posts in the thread for details). Whether that is "normal" or not is up for debate, but it does occur in the wild.

[Comik-knerd]

Your information is not only wrong in some significant areas, but completely unsourced as well.

It's great to form an intelligent opinion. It's not so great to form an opinion based on ignorance and misinformation. Here are a few facts that are incorrect or misleading:

1. The gay community is not completely to blame for spreading AIDS. Furthermore, by that logic, no one should have sex, as heterosexual partners can transmit hepatitis, gonorrhea, AIDS, and a whole host of other diseases.
2. Why do you say it's "hurting society"? Where's the evidence? Where's the proof that a gay couple that gets marriage is hurting society? And what of the fact that most marriages end in divorce—doesn't that do more to hurt society?
3. I'm not going to even touch the bestiality thing, because that's completely inaccurate. Check up on the history of AIDS.
4. Animals do exhibit homosexual behavior (see earlier posts in the thread for details). Whether that is "normal" or not is up for debate, but it does occur in the wild.

I did not say that The "GAY sommunity" was to blame for Aids. and it is hurting the Society, it is simply NOT how God or the earth intendid. and There is NO such thing as homesexual behavior in animals I would like to see your proof for that as well..

[*mipadi*]

I did not say that The "GAY sommunity" was to blame for Aids. and it is hurting the Society, it is simply NOT how God or the earth intendid. and There is NO such thing as homesexual behavior in animals I would like to see your proof for that as well..

How is it hurting society?

Here's your evidence of homosexuality in animals:

• Animal sexuality
• List of animals displaying homosexual behavior

And P.S., you said, "When gay people do it, that's how AIDS spreads."

[timeflies51]

I don't understand why Bush is focusing on a no-gay marriage amendment when there are a lot of much more important things to worry about...

I think it's interesting how marriage has turned from a purely-religious ceremony into something that the government gets involves in. But hey, it's not like religion hasn't been incorporated into government before. Just look at our currency...

Seriously. It's their life, not yours. Let them do what they want, it's not hurting you. When it comes to wanting to spend their life with somebody that they love by stating it through marriage, they should make that decision, not you.

As for gay adoption, tell me, what is worse? Two good, loving parents of the same sex, or two abusive, horrible parents of the opposite sex? No matter who the parents are, there is an equal chance that the child will either be brought up in a peaceful home or an abusive home. Therefore, I don't see why gay adoption is such a big deal.

And I hate it when people compare this to beastiality and such. Are you saying that gays, bisexuals, and lesbians are animals? Gee, thanks. They're people. There's a big difference between people and animals.

[Spirited Away]

I think it's interesting how marriage has turned from a purely-religious ceremony into something that the government gets involves in. But hey, it's not like religion hasn't been incorporated into government before. Just look at our currency...

... marriage was never "purely" religious. It is an institution established by tradition, government and religion combined.

[flc]

and aids was started becouse of "beastiality". and that is beastiality

Hun..

bes·ti·al·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bsch-l-t, bs-)
n. pl. bes·ti·al·i·ties
1. The quality or condition of being an animal or like an animal.
2. Conduct or an action marked by depravity or brutality.
3. Sexual relations between a human and an animal.

So last I heard, bestiality is sexual relations between a human & an organism of another species, & believe it or not, two gay men are human.

I don't understand why Bush is focusing on a no-gay marriage amendment when there are a lot of much more important things to worry about...

I think it's interesting how marriage has turned from a purely-religious ceremony into something that the government gets involves in.

Yeah. I think he's just trying to appeal to the small-town folks who couldn't care less about anything else except banning them damn homosexuals from marrying in their state.

Marriage never started off being purely-religious, but I think it's becoming that way now, as you can clearly see.

[fifthing]

I don't understand why Bush is focusing on a no-gay marriage amendment when there are a lot of much more important things to worry about...

Now, this may seem like a silly example, but the 5th book had a perfect example of this.

Now, Harry Potter and Dumbledore said Voldemort was back. The ministry did not want to deal with that, so they ignored it, and turned the attention instead to Sirius's escape, Dubledore's "senility," and Harry's "madness" in order to avoid actually dealing with the problems that were too big to handle, which would, of course, come back to bite them in the ass.

Essentially, they cover the points that hit most close to home for people to maintain/gain the popular support (though who the hell knows why people still think others' marriages actually concern them) so that the public forgets about the really issues at hand, because if they're pointed out, it points out that the government is not doing everything they can on more important issues. (No, I'm aware that wasn't the best explanation, but I'm tired, and a bit too emotionally involed in Harry Potter at the moment for my own good.)

[AngelinaTaylor]

Ok NO!! it is hurting ppl it's hurting sociaty and the people! it is not how it is intended to be! And Also When gay ppl "Do it" as you so lightly put it. that's how aids spread.. and aids was started becouse of "beastiality". and that is beastiality, Of course there still ppl and not worse then anyone else becouse we've all sinned. and of course God still loves them. but it's what there doing that God doesn't like.

and also Animals are never Gay becouse nature knows that's not the way it's sapposed to be.. Now i'm not talking about those animals that can be male and female that is TOTALLY differant and nobody can say otherwise.

so that's why i'm saying NO to gay marrieges..

1. How does it hurt society?
2. Who gives a f**k what god does or does not like? Christians do, which is the majority of Americans. Not everyone believes in him, and not everyone is christian. Keep that in mind.
3. Animals and humans aren't the same.
4. "bestiality" (which is the right spelling of the word) means humans having sex with animals.
5. How is it hurting people?
6. Why is it not intended to be? They were obviously born this way. So don't give me that idiotic excuse.
7. All of your arguments are bullshit.

Taylor``

[flc]

Ok NO!! it is hurting ppl it's hurting sociaty and the people! it is not how it is intended to be! And Also When gay ppl "Do it" as you so lightly put it. that's how aids spread.. and aids was started becouse of "beastiality". and that is beastiality, Of course there still ppl and not worse then anyone else becouse we've all sinned. and of course God still loves them. but it's what there doing that God doesn't like.

Also, since when did God suddenly rule every facet of this country? Just because America was started that way, doesn't mean it's supposed to be that way. Remember that the Puritans came here to practice their religion freely, so they wouldn't have to put up with the persecutions anymore. So why do we persecute people who aren't the same as us? Shit, you'd think with such things as the Holocaust, that we would learn from that. Therefore, I pretty much think your arguments are lame, since as I'm predicting, you probably won't be able to back yourself up without talking about God, & what God wants, & what God doesn't want or think is right.

I'm just really sick & tired of Christians trying to make the rules for everybody. They should be happy that people want to marry someone they love, even if they are of the same sex. I know that if I was gay, I sure as hell would rather marry a girl I was in love with instead of a guy that I didn't care for, just so everyone would shut the hell up.

& Why isn't it what he intended? If people are born that way & can't help who they love, it obviously can't be any other way. If God can see the future & see that this person that he supposedly created was going to be born gay, then he shouldn't say that this is not what he intended.

Since when did love become unnatural? Whether you like it or not, it is love. & It's kinda sad to think that God, the most loving being you could ever imagine, supposedly, would want to impede on a beautiful union of two people & stop it.

[priyas]

Its not my problem its theirs. so i dont really care. i think people who think that they should be illegal have problems. they should be more accpeting.

[Skyline Drive]

I came up with a solution for this today.



Let them marry and eat cake.


..except by law (and yadda yadda) it will be called "MERRY" and there will be a merriage ceremony for just gay people. straight people will not be aloud to get merried for obvious reasons.

oh and at merriages you get to have your wedding on an actual cake.

[sadolakced acid]

the flying spagetti monster said in his words "republicans are evil and shall never hold power"

his word shall be upheld.

[xXYouMeBedNowXx]

The fine points of the republican view of the amendment is simply to stir up political views of conservatives in America. By bringing up a controversial issue, the Bush Administration and other Republicans will galvinize and replenish their support for future elections. Their focus was not to bring about change for the benefit of society, but rather to control a rather egotistical agenda for better support in later issues.

Think about it, anyone that opposes the amendment will shoot down the Republican views; and anyone that is for it will side with the Republicans. Both of these views would create a rather ironside foundation for both parties. The reaction to the Same-Sex political issue is usually a direct "yes-or-no" response, and is hardly an "in-between". The Bush Administration believes that the majority of Americans are conservatives that will support a traditional (and if traditional, usually majority) view to rally support for upcoming issues.


On an ethical point of view, this is clear to me: I am in full support of gay marriage. I am a homosexual myself.

Rationally:
I am rather sure that homosexuality is of a much more biological nature than it is of any environmental nature. I don't recall waking up one day and making a conscious decision to become a homosexual. The biological attraction is what makes me homosexual. Much like any woman has an attraction to a man or vice-versa, it would seem biological, natural, and completely irresistable. It is the exact same for us. When I first felt feelings for someone else of the same gender, there was nothing that told me I should have an attraction to him, in fact I was rather drilled into my head that I shouldn't be having this attraction, but nonetheless I follow my gut instinct that I was born with.

People have asked me when I "figured out" when I was a homosexual. It did not occur to me at a certain time. When you first liked a boy or a girl, I hardly believe it was a conscious decision to suddenly do so. It would seem natural and nearly a blur I suppose. It is the same for us.

I lived a very good childhood. I was not abused, nor neglected. My family was wealthy, I lived in a good environment with a good score of education. I was brought up well and healthy. I am still a homosexual in spite of all of these facts. It is not a choice. The homosexual world is not a place that is easy or completely pleasurable to live through. There is always the prospect of finding others like yourself, and past those filtering those few to be the one person you wish to spend the rest of your life with. There is always the rejection of your family, your friends, your peers. There is always the glaring prospect of the AIDS epidemic. Why, I ask, would anyone in their right mind (which I certainly hope you deem me to be, I certainly do) actively and consciously choose to become a homosexual? It simply wouldn't make sense.

Morally:
I am not religious, at least, not in the conventional way. The only set of morals that I live by are the ones that I have set for myself, because the ones that I have done so for myself are only the ones that have been taught to me and I deem sensible and correct by my standards of good. In other words, I have only filtered my morals through a simple question: Whether or not is human by the standard I deem most sensible. Humanity to me is more important than any God that I know to exist: simply because I understand God to spawn from Humanity and as much as we may have drilled our own heads into believing, quite possibly not the other way around.

The Gods of our time were created by those of the past, and the ethics and morals of that past we now know were manifest into what we call Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, etc. Religion sets down a set system of ethics and morals that have simply been taught and retaught over and over again.

But some of these ethics and morals change.
Slavery was one of them.
Feminism was one of them.

I believe that any set of moral code that you set for yourself has the potential to become a religion, for that is what a religion is: a set of morals and ethics. Some systems of ethics are more popular than others, because they were inheritly taught from generation to generation. That's my view on religion. All religion does is set a general standard of ethics and morals.

These are mine: Equality should be granted to all people.

I think I'll come back to this later.

[ArmyKat]

My belief is God made marriage and sex...ect... for a man and a woman. I am not for gay marriages or for gays that aren’t married either. That is my belief but I'm not going all crazy on it because I could really care less about gays.

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