Pledge of Allegiance, bye bye "Under God" Options

[princess2113]

Actually, ehehe, they came here for the FREEDOM to serve God. Not under God's name. There's a difference.

I learn more about pilgrims than you'd think, but what do you know? They came here for the freedom to serve God as they wished.

And you're right, it is for religious freedom, but there were many different groups who wanted to serve God the way they wanted to. There were huguenots, quakers, puritans, and others. NOT just pilgrims, "babe".

And because of this religious freedom, you're facing the whole problem of atheists disagreeing about "Under God". They have a freedom not to pursue religious means just like you have a freedom to serve God.

There's two sides to every story, please respect that.

they came to freely worship God...i never specified a God...also pilgirms r...A religious devotee who journeys to a shrine or sacred place.
One who embarks on a quest for something conceived of as sacred.
A traveler.
Pilgrim One of the English Separatists who founded the colony of Plymouth in New England in 1620.
frum dictionary.com
no1 ever said a certain religion...n i dunt think im being disrespectful to either side so chill...this IS debate u know...just cause im rite doesnt mean ya need to get all ansy

[InfamousOwen]

Its not that different from people who sue others for some stupid reason. Its about the attention and bragging rights for putting the nation in an uproar. And they are of course in their rights to do it. Thats the whole point of this country. We are all protected under the same rights.

The under god thing is just like the constitution....it is pretty general so that as times change so do they. Our forefathers were pretty smart peoples :)

[Spirited Away]

Hehe, it's kind of funny that you say you're right.. but okay. An opinion's an opinion, that's all.

I can't help it but to say that you're historically... off. But anyway, you had to look up the definition of a pilgrim, and you're talking about them? Whoa.

Anyway, back to topic. Like I said, there are other sides, not just your side. Just because you believe in something, it doesn't make it "right". There's a freedom to say "under God" and there is a freedom to not say it.

Um, by the way, you only mentioned pilgrims, and not other religions, so I figured you favor one over the others. Please be specific next time.

Call me 'ansy' if you want, but i thought that was disrespectful.

[princess2113]

Hehe, it's kind of funny that you say you're right.. but okay. An opinion's an opinion, that's all.

I can't help it but to say that you're historically... off. But anyway, you had to look up the definition of a pilgrim, and you're talking about them? Whoa.

Anyway, back to topic. Like I said, there are other sides, not just your side. Just because you believe in something, it doesn't make it "right". There's a freedom to say "under God" and there is a freedom to not say it.

Um, by the way, you only mentioned pilgrims, and not other religions, so I figured you favor one over the others. Please be specific next time.

Call me 'ansy' if you want, but i thought that was disrespectful.

i looked up the definition to put a souce b/c it seems like every1 likes that. ur wrong n ur talking abt them...pilgirm isnt a religion...and i said the same thing abt freedom..i said u have a rite to say it but we dunt force ne1 they have a right to remain silent...i dunt FAVOR one over the other...n it wasnt disrespectful i have a right to my opinions...if u dunt like hearing them either deal with it or go to a differant section b/c ur in debate...n this is like the 3rd post where uve written extreamly rudely to me n i'd appriciate if u were nicer or dunt comment at all

[Spirited Away]

n it wasnt disrespectful i have a right to my opinions...

I wasn't the one who called someone 'ansy' because that person didn't believe the same thing as I. I believe that person was you. You're saying I'm rude, when I believe that you're rude. But that's okay.

Did I say that pilgrims is a religion? You're the one who brought it up.

I'm confused now...

Anyway, back to topic. There's nothing wrong with keeping "under God" in the pledge. I just hope that people who are religious do not think that this is some sort of victory over non-religious people.

[onenonly101]

You don't have to say the pledge so why take out "under God". if you don't like then don't say it.

[divinity_star]

I have just thought about something since we just finished Mock Trials...When a witness goes up to the stand the clerk asks them "Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God"... I wonder if people will try to have the word God removed from their too.

[whomps]

Whenever we stand up to recite the pledge of the allegiance at first period.. I just say "under God".. in fact, I don't even notice I'm saying it. It's just like "blah blah one nation under god indivisible with liberty and blah blah blah"

Yeah.
I kinda think it should be taken out..

[angel-roh]

heehee i forgot how to say it...lols HAHAHA i forgot how it goes-_-;;

[princess2113]

You don't have to say the pledge so why take out "under God". if you don't like then don't say it.

my point exactly

[cornflakes]

It doesn't belong there. It was added late in the 1900's I believe.
This nation should not sanction one religion, it is a government free from religion, or used to be.

btw:uninspiredfae you are very smart, sorry I said what I said in the other thread ;)

[ryfitaDF]

i have the right to not resite or stand for the pledge of allievgence and i take full advantage of it.

besides it was manifest destiny that told us to take over this hunk of dirt. why not mension god in the pledge?

[shawty_redd]

yes, i do.

ur moving because of the war?

[*Kathleen*]

It doesn't belong there. It was added late in the 1900's I believe.
This nation should not sanction one religion, it is a government free from religion, or used to be.

You don't have to say it if you don't want to, you know.

I think it should, just because of convention and that fact that its been here the same for so long... i mean, if it offends ppl, they shouldnt force everyone to say it, but i dont think that they should change it either... i mean.. realli, we shouldnt change the pledge of allegiance, which affects thousands of kids across America, just for a minority of ppl that might be offended by it... ppl choose whether to recite it or not, but dont change it for so many others

it has only been here for 54 years, and while we leave that in our PLEDGE which REPRESENTS! our country, why dont we just adopt religious laws??

You don't have to say it if you don't want to, you know.

sorry double posting but!!

okay new citizens, whom are mainly NOT CHRISTIAN! must recite the pledge to become a citizen, so basically they are pledging their allegegince "under god"

i am sorry but that just disturbes me..

[*Kathleen*]

So what do you suggest they do? Honestly, it makes me mad when anyone doesn't say the pledge. Okay, okay, if you're stubborn, fine, don't say "under God", but other than that, I think everyone should recite the pledge.

[ComradeRed]

So what do you suggest they do? Honestly, it makes me mad when anyone doesn't say the pledge. Okay, okay, if you're stubborn, fine, don't say "under God", but other than that, I think everyone should recite the pledge.

You can't force people to take an oath, except when asking for public office. It says so in the Constitution.

[Spirited Away]

Ahem, I was naturalized about 6 years ago, and I recited the pledge with pride, 'under god' and all, even though I'm not a Christian.

It is NOT promising allegiance to God, but rather, to a country that was founded by those who harbored a wish to have freedom (and for the majority of them, it was freedom of religion).

This country allows them to serve whatever religion they wish, saying 'under God' is an option.

[*Kathleen*]

Blah but I doubt the people that wrote the Constitution were thinking about all the people who are too lazy to say it, or the ones that are so incompetent they don't know why they're not saying it.

[orlando_bloom_lu...]

wow... i learn soo many new things everyday... i never knew that...... so instead of saying "under God" then what do we say?


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[Spirited Away]

wow... i learn soo many new things everyday... i never knew that...... so instead of saying "under God" then what do we say?


<------stupid

You don't say anything in its stead. You just don't say 'under God' in the pledge, you would skip it and continue with 'indivisable'.

Edit:: if you're willing to learn, you won't remain stupid...

But I don't think you're stupid.

[iloveudouloveme]

well you see. This topic came up rather shocking to me. I wonder if you read the entire article ?From my side and point of view, from the article I understood and read in history, this is a Supreme court case. It is not yet to be decided upon until mid June or so. An atheist father has brought his case to court and they have not ruled. The 'under God' part of the pledge is only banned in a select states, I recall nine or so. This is so because of the tied vote of the supreme court justices 4-4, and these certain states have their 'law' (I can't quite remember) that considers the tie decision a ruling unless the case is thrown out. Also under question is the athiest father's ability to even take this case into court, he wishes to not have his daughter's school say the pledge the original way. Although, the child's mother wishes to have her daughter say ' under God' in the pledge and has full custodial rights. So if the case is thrown out because of the father's questionable right, or another constitutional reason no matter, because this will no longer be an issue. Everyone who recites the pledge should say it right. with the words ' under God'. This is how our founding fathers recited it, this is how it shoud be read. The constitutional right in my mind of this father is absent.

[Retrogressive]

no! even if some people don't belive in god, it's a peice of america's history. why should our history be cut off? this country was founded on god and that pledge has been said proudly by our fore fathers. this country was founded on god, can't change that without a time machine...

[rabidsquirrels99]

This atheist just wants to piss off a bunch of religions to get attention.

I don't believe in god, but I believe in freedom. I recite all of the pledge except for the "under god" part. That way, I'm letting people say what they believe in, and keeping my beliefs. And I don't think the people who started this issue are trying to piss anyone off or get attention. They just have different opinions than your own and want to voice them, just like everyone else. I don't see anything wrong with that.