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 May 24 2004, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE We're not cloning all from ONE prototype person... We would be cloning from many different people... and besides there would still be people who would engage in traditiaonal reproduction for the hell of it But then that leads to Gattaca.. the traditional ppl would be inferior to the cloned ppl |
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May 24 2004, 07:50 PM
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 Tommy Lee Bones Group: Member Posts: 218 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 9,916 |
Personally I believe we should abolish clones. And twins. They confuse the hell out of me. Which ones which? Which one is evil? See? When you look at the facts, clones and twins are just plain stupid.
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May 24 2004, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE Personally I believe we should abolish clones. And twins. They confuse the hell out of me. Which ones which? Which one is evil? See? When you look at the facts, clones and twins are just plain stupid. haha *waits for Minda's rebuttal* 
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May 24 2004, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(machinoman @ May 24 2004, 7:50 PM) Personally I believe we should abolish clones. And twins. They confuse the hell out of me. Which ones which? Which one is evil? See? When you look at the facts, clones and twins are just plain stupid. HOW would you abolish twins? |
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May 24 2004, 07:55 PM
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Minda.. you ignored my argument.. you can't be giving up, can you?
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May 24 2004, 07:57 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 7:55 PM) Minda.. you ignored my argument.. you can't be giving up, can you? Oh the traditional and cloned people? Some people are ALREADY naturally better than others. They might be stronger, smarter, etc. It already hapepns. If anything, cloning will allow people who are genetically predisposed to a survival disadvantage to improve. |
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May 24 2004, 07:58 PM
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Tommy Lee Bones Group: Member Posts: 218 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 9,916 |
Twins can be terminated as soon as they are discovered in the womb. Or, in the overpopulated and under-fed future, the methods proposed in An Honest Proposal could be used. As they say, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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May 24 2004, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE Some people are ALREADY naturally better than others. They might be stronger, smarter, etc. It already hapepns. If anything, cloning will allow people who are genetically predisposed to a survival disadvantage to improve. BUT nobody's perfect.. eveyrone has their weaknesses, and cloning would just make those weaknesses more susceptible if more ppl possessed the exact same weaknesses |
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May 24 2004, 08:01 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 7:59 PM) BUT nobody's perfect.. eveyrone has their weaknesses, and cloning would just make those weaknesses more susceptible if more ppl possessed the exact same weaknesses Or they could use genetic engineering to fix that weakness. It's a nonunqie harm. |
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May 24 2004, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE Or they could use genetic engineering to fix that weakness. It's a nonunqie harm Genetic engineering.. which leadsd to Gatacca.. an immense gap between those that can afford it, and those that can't; and plus, we currently dont have to technology to do that |
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May 24 2004, 08:05 PM
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Tommy Lee Bones Group: Member Posts: 218 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 9,916 |
QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 8:02 PM) Genetic engineering.. which leadsd to Gatacca.. an immense gap between those that can afford it, and those that can't; and plus, we currently dont have to technology to do that But the disadvantaged could use the tricks used by the main character in Gataca to make themselves equal. So they could join the space program. btw why did the guy in gataca roast himself at the end? how dreadfully painfull it must have been! |
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May 24 2004, 08:09 PM
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QUOTE But the disadvantaged could use the tricks used by the main character in Gataca to make themselves equal. So they could join the space program. But that doesnt happen very often QUOTE btw why did the guy in gataca roast himself at the end? how dreadfully painfull it must have been! and he roasted himself because he was born so gifted, but he never had a dream or put his talent to good use |
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May 24 2004, 08:10 PM
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Tommy Lee Bones Group: Member Posts: 218 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 9,916 |
QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 8:09 PM) But that doesnt happen very often and he roasted himself because he was born so gifted, but he never had a dream or put his talent to good use but roast? ROAST? |
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May 24 2004, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE but roast? ROAST? *shrug* he needed some way to kill himself and I guess that was most convenient Minda.. I hope you're not dead or anything..
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May 24 2004, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 8:02 PM) Genetic engineering.. which leadsd to Gatacca.. an immense gap between those that can afford it, and those that can't; and plus, we currently dont have to technology to do that We CAN do genetic engineering now. I've done it in my AP Biology Class on bacteria. And once it becomes more widely used, the price goes DOWN and more people can afford it. |
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May 24 2004, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE We CAN do genetic engineering now. I've done it in my AP Biology Class on bacteria. And once it becomes more widely used, the price goes DOWN and more people can afford it. STill.. genetic engineering+cloning will create a genetic elite in the richer countries.. and plus.. what happens if some new disease appears and ravages the clones, who are not genetically engineered against it because it is new? |
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May 24 2004, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 8:19 PM) STill.. genetic engineering+cloning will create a genetic elite in the richer countries.. and plus.. what happens if some new disease appears and ravages the clones, who are not genetically engineered against it because it is new? That's not a unique harm... there can be new diseases even without cloning like AIDS. |
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May 24 2004, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE That's not a unique harm... there can be new diseases even without cloning like AIDS I dont see what you're talking about with uniqueness... i mean.. like an epidemic or something and the clones are all susceptible to |
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May 24 2004, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE(x_angawhomps @ May 12 2004, 1:35 AM) I'm against cloning. If there was cloning.. then what would be the point for the word "unique" ? Edit//  exactly... it would be so boring if everyone was the same |
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May 24 2004, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE exactly... it would be so boring if everyone was the same But that's not what they would use clones for...they'd use them for medical purposes. 
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May 24 2004, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE But that's not what they would use clones for...they'd use them for medical purposes.  Kathleen! How would you like to be a clone.. specifically created to be tested on for medical purposes? |
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May 24 2004, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 8:24 PM) I dont see what you're talking about with uniqueness... i mean.. like an epidemic or something and the clones are all susceptible to All the clones are still different from each other. A clone of me is different from a clone of you. Disease already wipe out large parts of the human race. It's not cloning-caused. |
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May 24 2004, 08:40 PM
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Tommy Lee Bones Group: Member Posts: 218 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 9,916 |
She won't be one. Thats all that matters. No sarcasm there. I mean we have nothing to worry about, so more power to cloning.
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May 24 2004, 08:40 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 1,795 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,421 |
QUOTE All the clones are still different from each other. A clone of me is different from a clone of you. Disease already wipe out large parts of the human race. It's not cloning-caused. Still.. why would you WANT to clone yourself? and how do we make sure ppl dont abduct someone and clone them? |
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May 24 2004, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE Kathleen! How would you like to be a clone.. specifically created to be tested on for medical purposes? Who said I was for it?  I was just saying, so that person would know we're not just making them for fun.
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