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 May 24 2004, 03:30 PM
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 Dark Lord of McCandless  Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761  |
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 24 2004, 3:27 PM) I second that. What's good about the American name? Even before Bush, some countries already bore ill will against American life style. Yes but back then it wasn't most of Europe. |
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May 24 2004, 03:38 PM
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 Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 24 2004, 3:30 PM) Yes but back then it wasn't most of Europe. They only liked us when we were giving them money and supporting their economy, now that they can stand on their own with the Euro, they started to have an opinion. Great. |
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May 24 2004, 03:42 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 24 2004, 3:38 PM) They only liked us when we were giving them money and supporting their economy, now that they can stand on their own with the Euro, they started to have an opinion. Great. We stopped giving them lots of money in the 60s... |
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May 24 2004, 03:44 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 24 2004, 3:42 PM) We stopped giving them lots of money in the 60s... But we were still helping their economy and we were (are) one of their biggest trade partners. Like I said, ever since that Euro... *tsk tsk*. Not that the Euro is a bad thing, I think it's great, except for that it gave most of Europe the idea of forming 'opinions' about America. |
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May 24 2004, 03:45 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 24 2004, 3:44 PM) But we were still helping their economy and we were (are) one of their biggest trade partners. Like I said, ever since that Euro... *tsk tsk*. Not that the Euro is a bad thing, I think it's great, except for that it gave most of Europe the idea of forming 'opinions' about America. Europe had a standing economy long before the Euro... |
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May 24 2004, 03:47 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 24 2004, 3:45 PM) Europe had a standing economy long before the Euro... Yes, and we were one of their biggest trading partners. We had a hand in helping them build that strong economy. |
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May 24 2004, 04:00 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 24 2004, 3:47 PM) Yes, and we were one of their biggest trading partners. We had a hand in helping them build that strong economy. And they are one of our biggest trading partners, who helped us build our economy. So? |
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May 24 2004, 04:05 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 24 2004, 4:00 PM) And they are one of our biggest trading partners, who helped us build our economy. So? We still gave them the money it took to build an economy worth trading with. |
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May 24 2004, 04:07 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 24 2004, 4:05 PM) We still gave them the money it took to build an economy worth trading with. No we didn't. Up until after WWI, their economy was much stronger than ours. Europe founded America. That's a historical fact. |
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May 24 2004, 04:08 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 24 2004, 4:07 PM) No we didn't. Up until after WWI, their economy was much stronger than ours. Europe founded America. That's a historical fact. Right, but after the WWs we gave them a HUGE sum of money to help restore the damages. After a while they got back on their feet became a worthy trade partner. |
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May 24 2004, 04:09 PM
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Why are we discussing world trade?
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May 24 2004, 04:10 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 24 2004, 4:08 PM) Right, but after the WWs we gave them a HUGE sum of money to help restore the damages. After a while they got back on their feet became a worthy trade partner. They would've rebuilt their economy anyway without our aid, it would've just taken longer. Moreover, they were a viable trading partner right out of WWII. Most of France and England were still intact. Spain had a stronger eceonomy after the war. Italy likewise was mostly in tact. The only NATO country to have been utterly devastated by WWII was West Germany. |
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May 24 2004, 04:11 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 24 2004, 4:10 PM) They would've rebuilt their economy anyway without our aid, it would've just taken longer. Moreover, they were a viable trading partner right out of WWII. Most of France and England were still intact. Spain had a stronger eceonomy after the war. Italy likewise was mostly in tact. The only NATO country to have been utterly devastated by WWII was West Germany. Agreed, but they still took the money that we provided. Edit: and happily too, I might add. |
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May 24 2004, 04:12 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 24 2004, 4:11 PM) Agreed, but they still took the money that we provided. Edit: and happily too, I might add. Wouldn't you be happy if someone gave you $5 billion? |
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May 24 2004, 04:13 PM
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Erm.. alright.. I'll just step aside and watch this I guess..
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May 24 2004, 04:15 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 24 2004, 4:12 PM) Wouldn't you be happy if someone gave you $5 billion? Sure, AND I would be appreciative of the effort. QUOTE Erm.. alright.. I'll just step aside and watch this I guess..  Step in anytime buddy.
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May 24 2004, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 24 2004, 4:15 PM) Sure, AND I would be appreciative of the effort. Step in anytime buddy.They appreciated it for 40 years. The Marshal Plan wasn't intended to make Europe our client states. There's a difference between gratitude and vassalage. |
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May 24 2004, 04:17 PM
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How does all this pertain to Bush? This is quite a tangent you two are taking..
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May 24 2004, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 4:17 PM) How does all this pertain to Bush? This is quite a tangent you two are taking.. I like tangents. You can take the slope of a tangent line to the curve by finding the first derivative, dy/dx, of said curve. Discuss. |
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May 24 2004, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE You can take the slope of a tangent line to the curve by finding the first derivative, dy/dx, of said curve. Discuss Bleh.. no more of this.. i just came from precalc and we discussed this.. enough.. BACK TO THE TOPIC |
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May 24 2004, 04:19 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 24 2004, 4:16 PM) They appreciated it for 40 years. The Marshal Plan wasn't intended to make Europe our client states. There's a difference between gratitude and vassalage. So going back to my original idea. We gave them a helping hand, and they took it. What have they done for us that can tantamount our 'help'? Now they're being insolent. (joking). |
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May 24 2004, 04:20 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 4:19 PM) Bleh.. no more of this.. i just came from precalc and we discussed this.. enough.. BACK TO THE TOPIC Erm, okay.... Bush only suck because he stepped in office at the wrong time. The economy wasn't in his favor. |
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May 24 2004, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE Bush only suck because he stepped in office at the wrong time. The economy wasn't in his favor. But he still contributed to it.. seriously.. bad economy.. then he goes and declares a war, and then adds in tax cuts.. what else could possibly happen? a worse economy.. Minda, be nice to me...
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May 24 2004, 04:26 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 4:23 PM) But he still contributed to it.. seriously.. bad economy.. then he goes and declares a war, and then adds in tax cuts.. what else could possibly happen? a worse economy.. Minda, be nice to me... But it wouldn't seem that much serious if the economy was agreeable in the first place. The war then, wouldn't be that serious economic wise. |
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May 24 2004, 04:27 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 4:23 PM) But he still contributed to it.. seriously.. bad economy.. then he goes and declares a war, and then adds in tax cuts.. what else could possibly happen? a worse economy.. Minda, be nice to me... The Tax Cuts didn't hurt the economy, it was the massive raises in spending. An economic theory is only as good as the time frame it's applied to. This is the global economy. Keynesianism doesn't work any more. The War on Iraq was undoubtedly bad for teh economy, because of the instability it caused in the Mid East and with oil. War takes productive goods that could have been spent on capital improvements and destroys them... bad for economy. It only creates an illusion of temporary economic benefit because of patriot fervor. |
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