Religion, Why must ppl insist on debating it? Options

[EmeraldKnight]

Everyone has their own beliefs, some belief in a deity, some do not.. I dont see the point of all these debates regarding religion...

I mean.. the ppl are clearly very religious, they're not going to change their minds about their religion, and it seems like the nonbelievers arent willing to either.. the religious debates going on in this forum are battles of stubborness that I dont see the point of.. obvious neither side is willing to concede and neither side has evidence the other will accept, so why bother continuing? I suppose if you think its fun, then go right ahead.. but i'm just tired of all the emphasis on theology

[Spirited Away]

Religion has been one of the biggest controversies in history. Wars were fought over it since... well... since civilization.

Why not continue the trend?

I know I'm being silly, but it's sort of true. As long as Man feels the need to conform, he will continue to persuade others into think the same way as he.

[IIO__oII]

its an important topic to discuss. alot of ppl have questions about it...

[EmeraldKnight]

*shrug* its just not a very viable topic, lots of the same things are being repeated over and over again and progress isnt being made.. but I suppose I'm just frustrated that everyone's focusing on religion and not the other topics, lol

[Spirited Away]

*shrug* its just not a very viable topic, lots of the same things are being repeated over and over again and progress isnt being made.. but I suppose I'm just frustrated that everyone's focusing on religion and not the other topics, lol

You're frustrated? I've been the only one arguing for the non-believers' side for... almost a page or two now.

[IIO__oII]

You're frustrated? I've been the only one arguing for the non-believers' side for... almost a page or two now.

ure frustrated? im trying to show ppl that christianity is true...

[EmeraldKnight]

You're frustrated? I've been the only one arguing for the non-believers' side for... almost a page or two now. 

Well see, I realized that Christians arent going to renounce their faith, so why bother trying to prove them wrong? all that'll happen is me wasting my energy

And plus I know nothing about religion other than the fact that I cant comprehend why so many ppl believe

[Spirited Away]

I see what you mean. But I see it as only that: a debate.

Nothing people may say will sway me from what I already believe in. But it's nice to gain more knowledge about why people believe in things they do. It's sort of a psychological rush for me.

Knowledge is power.

[EmeraldKnight]

Hehe. well put well, have at it I guess, I'll just wait till ppl post in the nontheological posts

[strice]

yeah, arguing religion is like describing blue to stevie wonder.

[angel-roh]

its an important topic to discuss. alot of ppl have questions about it...

it's not that important... like whoever made this topic is kinda right... we wont change our religion so wats the point of arguing about the other religions? and plus... why they asking questions? like wat kind of questions? who is God? which religion is the best?....x_x... it's best to keep like wat we are... we cant tell and describe the meaning of our lives and if God did something for us... we're not Jesus or anything...why shud we complain bot other religionz...ok me go dizzy

[EmeraldKnight]

it's not that important... like whoever made this topic is kinda right... we wont change our religion so wats the point of arguing about the other religions? and plus... why they asking questions? like wat kind of questions? who is God? which religion is the best?....x_x... it's best to keep like wat we are... we cant tell and describe the meaning of our lives and if God did something for us... we're not Jesus or anything...why shud we complain bot other religionz...ok me go dizzy 

In answering that, more religion was brought up.. the whole point is, that obviously, no one will change their views about their own religion, the believers wont renounce their beliefs and accept that God doesnt exist, so the onli possible scenario is that the nonbelievers will give in and accept God, and last time I checked, this is NOT the place to gain converts

[onenonly101]

People aren't tryign to gain converts because the person who started the topic is a non-believer. People were asking questions and bring up senarios which actually weren't relevent to the topic ebcause the only question was do you believe in God then it turned to prove His existence. I realized that their was no point in me arguing ebcause it wasn't going to change what I believe. I also realized I don't have to prove God to anyone, that is His job. Nothing to disprove Him so why try to disprove Him and also why try to prove Him to people who don't believe because they obviously have their mindset on not believing. But then again it doesn't hurt to try.

[EmeraldKnight]

People aren't tryign to gain converts because the person who started the topic is a non-believer. People were asking questions and bring up senarios which actually weren't relevent to the topic ebcause the only question was do you believe in God then it turned to prove His existence. I realized that their was no point in me arguing ebcause it wasn't going to change what I believe. I also realized I don't have to prove God to anyone, that is His job. Nothing to disprove Him so why try to disprove Him and also why try to prove Him to people who don't believe because they obviously have their mindset on not believing. But then again it doesn't hurt to try.

Thank you, I said it from a nonbeliever's point of view, you said it from a believer's, now if more ppl read this and realize, we can focus on other topics where a concession can actually be made

[Spirited Away]

I suppose you have a point about how senseless it is to argue something like religion because it's almost impossible to reach a standpoint where both can agree on.

But I still think it's kind of fun. It's the only one thing that I can argue and be sure of myelf because it's testing how well I know my own beliefs/myself, and it sometimes proves how some other are not so sure about themselves. Which is kind of sad.

Religion makes people lower their self worth. Everything good they do, they will attribute it to a higher being instead of praising themselves for being strong. (Possible debate anyone?)

[EmeraldKnight]

Religion makes people lower their self worth. Everything good they do, they will attribute it to a higher being instead of praising themselves for being strong. (Possible debate anyone?)

That's a realli good point, and I agree with you all the way.. now we just wait for the believers to come and refute this..

[*Kathleen*]

Eh, I agree with you, but you can't prove much on either side. Yes, there seems to be more hard evidence on the nonbelievers' side, but you must realize that so many people become enlightened and their eyes become open to a lot of the stuff people bring up, you know?

[EmeraldKnight]

Eh, I agree with you, but you can't prove much on either side. Yes, there seems to be more hard evidence on the nonbelievers' side, but you must realize that so many people become enlightened and their eyes become open to a lot of the stuff people bring up, you know?

On the nonbeliever's side yes, but people are just going to renounce their religion, and most, as we've seen stubbornly stick to their side, and repetition proliferates

[onenonly101]

Religion makes people lower their self worth. Everything good they do, they will attribute it to a higher being instead of praising themselves for being strong. (Possible debate anyone?)

Why should we praise ourselves? We didn't come here on our own. We should give God the glory because He gave us the abilities to accomplish what we have done. So i don't see why I should praise myself. There is nothing wrong with saying yeah i did a good job, but in syaing i did this myself, it was me, me, me.

Yes, there seems to be more hard evidence on the nonbelievers' side

i don't think there is more evidence for nonbelievers. They base what they belive on faith and speculation, belivers base it on faith and speculation

[IIO__oII]

hmm and also maybe for the christians... they want to talk ppl into thinking about all this God stuff.. u knoe... if he IS true.. if he DOES exist... they just want sum answers to their questions. i'd like to lead sumone into Christ here

[Spirited Away]

Why should we praise ourselves? We didn't come here on our own. We should give God the glory because He gave us the abilities to accomplish what we have done. So i don't see why I should praise myself. There is nothing wrong with saying yeah i did a good job, but in syaing i did this myself, it was me, me, me.

The above is the perfect example of what I mean. Hehe.

I've never thanked God for anything I've done for myself in my life, and trust me, I've done a lot of things for myself. I never even thought about God's existence until 3 years ago when my cousin asked me to join her Church.

I get myself through hard times, I've never once thought about God. I depend on my own strength to get me through the day.

For believers, you may say that your God helped you, but please, respect that other people have learned that the will to live is more important than the will to serve someone else.

There's nothing wrong with saying "me me me" either. If you've been to Hell and back, if you've suffered and risen through all, then you have the right to say what you want. You deserve that much.

[WildGriffin]

*Gasp*

Fae is a humanist.

Suprise of the century.

Same here, thank yourself and your strength for the good moments. Thank God for allowing the bad ones.

[ryfitaDF]

religion causes difference, difference causes conflict, conflict causes violence, violence is wrong. theirfore i can easily conclude that religion is wrong

if people would stop making up mesiaahas to blame and kill people for this world would be a better place.

brainwash 100 people and it's called a cult. brainwash 1,000,000,000 people and it's called religion.

[juliar]

Everyone has their own beliefs, some belief in a deity, some do not.. I dont see the point of all these debates regarding religion...

How exactly were thousands of people converted into religion?

religion causes difference, difference causes conflict, conflict causes violence, violence is wrong. theirfore i can easily conclude that religion is wrong

Agreed. Wholeheartedly.

[onenonly101]

The above is the perfect example of what I mean. Hehe.

I've never thanked God for anything I've done for myself in my life, and trust me, I've done a lot of things for myself. I never even thought about God's existence until 3 years ago when my cousin asked me to join her Church.

I get myself through hard times, I've never once thought about God. I depend on my own strength to get me through the day.

For believers, you may say that your God helped you, but please, respect that other people have learned that the will to live is more important than the will to serve someone else.

There's nothing wrong with saying "me me me" either. If you've been to Hell and back, if you've suffered and risen through all, then you have the right to say what you want. You deserve that much.

Just because you don't think about God doesn't mean He doesn't think about you. You are His creation whether you recognize Him as being the reason you are here He is.

Being self reliant is sort of like an athlete allowing the coach to give him advice only when he wants it. before too long the athlete will start to deteriorate in talent and the eyes of the coach. in the same way we need to depend on God to lead us. And we should do what he says. God wants us always to try to do our best. We shoudl never do anything halfway. but there's a difference between doing our best and allowing God to do his best through us.
taking credit for everything we do is called pride a very dangerous thing. there is a good type of pride that comes from doing something well. Perhaps we've worked so hard at something and everything had come out great. we feel good about ourselves, and that's ok. the problem comes from when we take all the credit. that is the wrong kind of pride. God wants us to realize that he gave us our life and our talents. This shows humility and a deep respect for God.