physical education, requirements too high Options

[sprezzatura]

PE is the most hated class in my school because we do lots of running and stretching. The standards of passing that class with an A is too high that only one or two students from the whole class of 50 something people could fulfill.
Push-ups are a killer to all students. Many student's strength aren't strong enough to do 15 push-ups to get an A. Most people could only do 2-3 push-ups.
Running is harsh too. For the mile run, the passing grade is 8 minutes (guys) and 10 minutes (girls). Same thing, almost nobody can make it on time.
Sadly, George W. Bush is the one who set those standards.

Should the standards of PE be a bit lower (or at least based on effort, not how physically strong you are) so that everybody can fulfill it?

Most students at the school could only meet the "C" requirementsfor PE. And the "A" in high school is really important for students who wanted to get into a good university.
IT MATTERS. MANY HONORS STUDENTS (like me) GET STRAIGHT A's EXCEPT FOR PE. Academic and social abilities are much more important than physical strength (you don't need to run fast/do push-ups in order to get into a good college, but of course, we need exercisng, but we can decide on how much running/push-ups we can do based on our strength).

People from my school take AP courses because they want to bring up their GPAs due to PE.

I try my very best in PE, but still my grade isn't good at all.

PE grade should be based on your effort, not your physical strength.

This post has been edited by peggysturr: Oct 1 2005, 09:33 PM

[Gigi]

Maybe your school is harder. Our school believes in students getting the recommended 20 minutes of cardio a day and for them to try their best at stuff. Skill is only worth something like 5 percent of a mark. Participation, effort, etc, are huge chunks of the course.

So when I suck at something (er...everything), I pretend like I'm working hard to try ny best. All 3 years of high school, I've gotten 90 and above averages.

Yeah. Our system makes more sense to me.

[*xcaitlinx*]

in my school we have to run 3/4 of a mile every friday...and if we don't get under 10 minutes then we get a zero. i think it's unfair because there are some overweight/out of shape people that can't physically run it that fast...and that shouldn't affect their grade. it should be about the EFFORT, not how FAST they are.

[*mipadi*]

Well, first of all, there's no reason that everyone should get an A; an A represents a group of students at the top of their class, which isn't everyone.

Secondly, the requirements don't seem that high. 15 push-ups? That's certainly not an unreasonable amount. If someone can only do 2-3, then he should be working hard in order to increase that.

8 minute mile, or 10 for girls? That's a bit strenuous--it is a pace of 7-1/2 miles per hour--but it's not overly difficult for just one mile.

[sprezzatura]

Well, first of all, there's no reason that everyone should get an A; an A represents a group of students at the top of their class, which isn't everyone.

Secondly, the requirements don't seem that high. 15 push-ups? That's certainly not an unreasonable amount. If someone can only do 2-3, then he should be working hard in order to increase that.

8 minute mile, or 10 for girls? That's a bit strenuous--it is a pace of 7-1/2 miles per hour--but it's not overly difficult for just one mile.

Most students at the school could only meet the "C" requirementsfor PE. And the "A" in high school is really important for students who wanted to get into a good university.


IT MATTERS. MANY HONORS STUDENTS (like me) GET STRAIGHT A's EXCEPT FOR PE. Academic and social abilities are much more important than physical strength (you don't need to run fast/do push-ups in order to get into a good college, but of course, we need exercisng, but we can decide on how much running/push-ups we can do based on our strength).

People from my school take AP courses because they want to bring up their GPAs due to PE.

I try my very best in PE, but still my grade isn't good at all.

PE grade should be based on your effort, not your physical strength.

This post has been edited by peggysturr: Oct 1 2005, 09:31 PM

[*mipadi*]

Most students at the school could only meet the "C" requirementsfor PE. And the "A" in high school is really important for students who wanted to get into a good university.

An A in high school PE isn't a huge deal to colleges; at any rate, the excuse "students need A's to get into college" is what makes grade inflation at high schools such a problem. In the end, an A means very little.

Like it or not, a C is average, and there's no reason everyone should get an A in every class for doing a mediocre amount of work--including physical education. Getting top grades means putting some work into something; if you can't do 15 pushups or can't run an 8-minute mile but need the grade, start doing pushups every day or running a mile everyday for practice. You shouldn't get an A for doing no work outside of class, just because you need it to get into a good college. A school or teacher is not obligated to give you an A, just so you get into the college of your dreams.

[silver-rain]

Ehh, I don't think those requirements are too hard...My school doesn't really have requirements, and a 10 minute mile isn't that hard to do.
And, like mipadi said, colleges don't really care about your PE grade, it doesn't even factor into my school's transcript averages.

[Gigi]

Here, we get to pick 5 courses to be averaged for colleges.

Oh, and we get 20 minutes to run a few blocks. XD

[HongKongDong]

PE is the most hated class in my school because we do lots of running and stretching. The standards of passing that class with an A is too high that only one or two students from the whole class of 50 something people could fulfill.
Push-ups are a killer to all students. Many student's strength aren't strong enough to do 15 push-ups to get an A. Most people could only do 2-3 push-ups.
Running is harsh too. For the mile run, the passing grade is 8 minutes (guys) and 10 minutes (girls). Same thing, almost nobody can make it on time.
Sadly, George W. Bush is the one who set those standards.

Should the standards of PE be a bit lower so that everybody can fulfill it?
EDIT: Don't know which forum it belongs to, so I will just put it here. A mod can move this if it is in the wrong section.

15 push-ups... all it takes is 15.... you cannot be serious... out of 50 your saying only TWO of them are able to do 15, and that most can only do 2 or 3.... WOW

I'm sorry but this just adds in to why america is being seen as one of the more lazy countries.

I guess I can see the mile run part, there are those who have the stregnth but may not have the endurance for such.

The standards for my school were higher, 30 pushups, 6 min. for guys and 8 for girls on the mile run. Most were able to make it. There were only a few unable to pass.

but like others have said... it doesn't really factor in for colleges. Come on though... only 15 pushups... my brother can double that and hes 7!!!

[WindSorcerous]

PE shouldn't be in High Schools. It should only be in Elementary schools and Middle Schools. It's a pointless class that hurts many people's GPA.
We get graded if we change for gym, and if we participate...the whole time. And the gym teachers are these sexist men who don't care if a girl is feeling well for obvious reasons...It's really annoying. I don't have a problem with the workout because I can do a lot of pushups and crunches, but I can't run. I'm a slow runner and I have trouble breathing when I run. I hate it completely. The best time I ever got was 8:30 on the mile. Everything else was between that and 9:45, so I just make it for 10 minutes.

Seriously though, "Those who can't teach, teach gym." That's what everyone says in my school because our gym teachers can't teach...they're horrible people and they have no lives! Ugh...I hate gym...

[WindSorcerous]

An A in high school PE isn't a huge deal to colleges; at any rate, the excuse "students need A's to get into college" is what makes grade inflation at high schools such a problem. In the end, an A means very little

It matters for your GPA in my school. Everyone should get an A in gym for at least trying...heck, we shouldn't have it anyway like I stated above. It just hurts your grade.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

I really don't like that schools care so much on MANY you do and not HOW HARD you try. For instance, I can do about 30-40 CORRECT push ups which honestly doesn't seem alot, but I know some people who say they do at least 100 a day and yet I have much more muscle in the arms and abs.

[*tweeak*]

I took online PE. The mile (the one thing we did at school) was essentially a participation grade, and you just had to write about whether or not your time improved and made your goal or something like that. But, so, uh, both times I cheated and still wound up with times in the 10- and 11-minute range. I just stopped a couple laps early, because no one could prove otherwise and I lost count. I walked nearly all of it, though, because I found someone to talk to, and neither of us gave a damn and didn't even pretend to tie.

But a 8 minute mile just to pass? No f**king way. I'd fail. I can't run worth anything. It could actually kill me.

[PinkTrash]

Again, Im Canadian. Standards are different.
First, for us; it would not affect getting into a good university. They won't look at your phys. ed marks, and you can drop the course in grade 10.
Our standards aren't as high either, participation and enthusiasm is most important. Your athletic ablility is still part of it, but you won't be penalized as much for it. Even with these low standards a lot of people happend to fail phys. ed by not showing up, skipping class, etc. -.-

[*mipadi*]

It matters for your GPA in my school. Everyone should get an A in gym for at least trying...heck, we shouldn't have it anyway like I stated above. It just hurts your grade.

Just out of curiosity, how much running or pushups do you do outside of class?

[*tweeak*]

Uh, it helped my GPA. For us, it doesn't matter if you do it well, just so long as you do it. (and that's on and offline. it's pretty easy to get away with faking things either way)

[Teesa]

I think the curriculum is just fine for physical education. Although I think yours is harder, I personally love the class. It's seriously an easy GPA booster and you get exercise.

[rinchan089]

In my P.E. class this year, we have so little people we get to create our own lesson plans and walk around the track on tuesdays.

It's so awesome...

Rin-chan

[*salcha*]

I think that's why you work for it.

[meleonade]

Wow, your school standards are a tod bit too harsh for u guys. At our high school, we just have to run without stopping the whole time and we get full marks no matter how far we ran.

[miz_sunshine]

Our school requirements are harder! We have to do at least 20pushups(girls)35(guys), 45situps(girls)50(guys)3pullups(girls)6pullups(guys) a mile in 8min. for girls and 7minuts for guys. sometimes we even have to do two miles in one day! We do lunges around the school yard and we have to do the "chair" which is when you act like your sitting without a chair below. IT all counts for your grade.

[AngryBaby]

Is your PE class coed? because at my new highschool PE is coed =/
and if the guys cant get 15 pushups thats....erm lol
when i was a freshman in my PE class(at my old school), we had to do at least 35 pushups in 35 seconds. for testing.
we'd run a mile for even talking. same went for my girl cousin who went to the same school.

Now im not in PE. im in Jv basketball, and they let basketball practice(as well as any other athletics) take place of your last class period(which is the best idea ever!) because at my school class periods are an hour and a half long. since we have a "divided schedule". and now that i look back on PE i wish we had it as easy as they do lol. because you run a mile every day in basketball for warm up=/. and have to get at least 6:30. and then run one after weight training.I'll admit, i puked in a trash can my first day lol along with others. but now, im starting to like it. because im getting in really great shape. so whats my point? STOP WHINING.
you dont have it bad at all, and you should get in shape somehow.

^ It factors into our averages.
--
Are you serious?

A passing grade for girls in the mile run here is 8 minutes and for guys it's 6 and 1/2.

I can run a mile in 6 minutes so it's not that big of a deal to me, but I can understand how that could be unfair..

and of course i agree with Suzzette. you might think we go to the same school or something ha.

[o0olaalaa]

omg they made us run 2 miles it was horrible

[Endless_Love ...]

Consider yourself lucky mine is way worse than that! Every week we have a 25 minute run where you have to run around the track for 25 minutes and the grading scale is:

6 laps: D
7 laps: C
8 laps: B
9 laps: A-
10 laps: A

When we do mile runs (which is a very happy time when we do) you have to get under 8 minutes (both girls and guys) but just about everyone does.

For pushups we have to do 25 (girls) and 30 (guys) and crunches 50 (girls) 60 (guys)
And this is only middle school! High school has 40 minute runs...

[x1_krazie_ladie]

oh my that sucks...well at my school we have like fitness tests every term...and well we have to run like 6 laps around our 400m thingy and we have to get around uner 13 mins for an A and then pushups...its around i ono cuz in my school it depends on ur age(its called the canadian fitness something something =S)..if u're 13 then its like 21 push ups for A under 14 to be an A? im not sure =S but that mile thing i think it is kind of harsh...maybe they just want u guys to work harder? build muscles so u can be fit and stuff?