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 May 20 2004, 09:09 AM
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 Retired Member  Group: Member Posts: 879 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 4,843  |
should animals be used in experiments?
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May 20 2004, 09:14 AM
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 - kuupi! ♥- Group: Member Posts: 937 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,148 |
NO NO NO NO NO.
Animal testing is horrible, and should be stopped. Why do scientists have to test the effects of nicotine and caffine on animals when we already know their effect on humans? Why do we need to extract pre-natal kittens from their mother, inject their spinal cord with a chemical and replace them in their mother's womb, only to kill them when they're born to see the effects of the chemical on their natal growth? Why should rabbits have sections of their fur shaved off and their skin scouraged so they can test chemicals, nail polish remover, or cosmetics on their flesh? Animal testing is cruel. |
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May 20 2004, 09:17 AM
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Retired Member Group: Member Posts: 879 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 4,843 |
i love animals
but then people will argue "what do we test things on"?? if we can't use animals what do we test our drugs and stuff on? |
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May 20 2004, 09:38 AM
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Retired Member Group: Member Posts: 879 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 4,843 |
i have to debate this topic at skool
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May 20 2004, 09:48 AM
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- kuupi! ♥- Group: Member Posts: 937 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,148 |
Alot of animal testing has to do with its effects on human skin. We already know that we can grow human skin in a lab setting, so why not grow some skin grafts and test on those?
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May 20 2004, 10:44 AM
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 703 Represent! Group: Member Posts: 816 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 4,032 |
Well, I don't know this for sure. I bet many of us have used animal-tested products w/out knowing it.
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May 20 2004, 10:51 AM
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- kuupi! ♥- Group: Member Posts: 937 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,148 |
QUOTE(Jiggapin0 @ May 20 2004, 11:44 AM) Well, I don't know this for sure. I bet many of us have used animal-tested products w/out knowing it. You'd better believe it. Want to see? Here's PETAs compiled list of companies that test on animals: Allergan, Inc. Arm & Hammer (Church & Dwight) Bausch & Lomb (Curél, Soft Sense, Clear Choice) Benckiser (Coty, Lancaster, Jovan) Block Drug Co., Inc. (Polident, Sensodyne, Tegrin, Lava, Carpet Fresh) Boyle-Midway (Reckitt & Colman) Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. (Clairol, Ban Roll-On, Keri, Final Net) Calvin Klein Cosmetics, (A division of Unilever) Carter-Wallace (Arrid, Lady's Choice, Nair, Pearl Drops) Chesebrough-Ponds (Fabergé, Cutex, Vaseline) Clorox (Pine-Sol, S.O.S., Tilex, ArmorAll) Cover Girl (Procter & Gamble) Dana Perfumes (Alyssa Ashley) Del Laboratories (Flame Glow, Commerce Drug, Sally Hansen) Dial Corporation (Purex, Renuzit) DowBrands (Glass Plus, Fantastik, Vivid) Elizabeth Arden, Inc. (A division of Unilever) Helene Curtis Industries (Finesse, Unilever, Suave) Jhirmack (Playtex) Johnson & Johnson Kimberly-Clark Corp. (Kleenex, Scott Paper, Huggies) Max Factor (Procter & Gamble) Olay Co./Oil of Olay (Procter & Gamble) Pfizer, Inc. (Bain de Soleil, Plax, Visine, Desitin, BenGay) Playtex Products, Inc. (Banana Boat, Woolite, Jhirmack) Reckitt & Colman (Lysol, Mop & Glo) Richardson-Vicks (Procter & Gamble) Sanofi (Yves Saint Laurent) Schering-Plough (Coppertone) Schick (Warner-Lambert) S. C. Johnson Wax (Pledge, Drano, Windex, Glade) SoftSoap Enterprises (Colgate-Palmolive) Vidal Sassoon (Procter & Gamble) Warner-Lambert (Lubriderm, Listerine, Schick) Westwood Pharmaceutical |
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May 20 2004, 10:56 AM
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 rookie Group: Member Posts: 723 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 2,291 |
Yes, animal testing has saved millions of humans lives as it has helped medical advances. I cannot think up of a specific example, but I'm sure it has. I think the reason why people find it "cruel" is because they don't like the idea of cute furry little creatures getiing harmed. I'm sure no one would complain if insects were used for tests 'cause they're ugly little things. But what's the difference? They're both living things aren't they?
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May 20 2004, 02:31 PM
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 Squirrelly Member Group: Member Posts: 385 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 7,267 |
Animal testing is indeed cruel. Oh, I can't imagine the pain they must suffer from all this.
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May 21 2004, 11:49 AM
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Retired Member Group: Member Posts: 879 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 4,843 |
i know it is really cruel
you dont want to know what vivisection is |
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May 21 2004, 11:52 AM
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- kuupi! ♥- Group: Member Posts: 937 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,148 |
Oh .... I do. I wrote a 15 page paper on it last year for my freshman composition class. It sucks.
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May 21 2004, 11:54 AM
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 Master Debater Group: Member Posts: 1,066 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 15,719 |
A monkey with lipstick on makes me laugh.
And animal testing isn't only done with cosmetics, they also use them for lots and lots of medicines. Skin grafts can't give you medical information when dealing with the mind and such. And PETA is a terrorist faction.....creating all that civil disrest and "awareness". They're just plain old evil-do'ers |
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May 21 2004, 02:00 PM
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I'm against this whole animal testing thing as well.. but I'll argue the other side (and bs considering I know nothing about the topic) just for fun and practice
 Alright, for those of you against animal testing, how else would we make sure a new vaccine or procedure or something is effective? |
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May 21 2004, 06:05 PM
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 i'm too cool 4 school Group: Member Posts: 752 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 7,421 |
I'm for animal testing for certain things i.e. cancer drugs and thing that will be helping our society, but not for vain things
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May 21 2004, 06:15 PM
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- kuupi! ♥- Group: Member Posts: 937 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,148 |
QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 21 2004, 3:00 PM) I'm against this whole animal testing thing as well.. but I'll argue the other side (and bs considering I know nothing about the topic) just for fun and practice Alright, for those of you against animal testing, how else would we make sure a new vaccine or procedure or something is effective? An animal's system is not exactly like ours. I dont see how injecting something into a cat or a pig is going to help us understand how it would react in our own systems. |
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May 21 2004, 06:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 1,795 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,421 |
QUOTE An animal's system is not exactly like ours. I dont see how injecting something into a cat or a pig is going to help us understand how it would react in our own systems. Its not exactly like ours, but some are very similar |
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May 21 2004, 06:20 PM
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i'm too cool 4 school Group: Member Posts: 752 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 7,421 |
exactly only 2 chromosomes make us different from some animals
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May 21 2004, 07:04 PM
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 Mr.Politicly Incorrect Group: Member Posts: 579 Joined: Sep 2005 Member No: 8,405 |
QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 21 2004, 7:20 PM) exactly only 2 chromosomes make us different from some animals Monkeys.....well...Chimps, Orangatang(sp), and Gorillas But i think that it has to be done....people may not like it...but i mean if it wasnt for animal testing then we wouldnt kno as much as we do about animals and how they react to different things |
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May 21 2004, 07:30 PM
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 The Return of Sathington Willoughby. Group: Member Posts: 313 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 14,724 |
with advances in genetics, it really isn't that necessary to test on animals. grow some human tissue and test on that. the only problem is cost.
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May 21 2004, 10:00 PM
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 Secret Police Group: Member Posts: 205 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,848 |
Animal testing is cruel.
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May 22 2004, 03:09 AM
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rookie Group: Member Posts: 723 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 2,291 |
Most people that argue for things like the war in Iraq and the death penalty (about how some innocent people get convicted), use the following argument: "We must sacrifice for the welfare of others". So if that's true, then surely the sacrifice of a few animals to save thousands of human lives isn't a bad thing at all.
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May 22 2004, 06:44 AM
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 i'm susan Group: Official Member Posts: 13,875 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 5,029 |
i dont knoe but umm... all i can say is sad that the animals die..-_-;; they might have a family too...sniff
 it's like taking someone and killing them
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May 22 2004, 08:08 AM
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- kuupi! ♥- Group: Member Posts: 937 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,148 |
QUOTE exactly only 2 chromosomes make us different from some animals Then why are we using animals that arent similiar to us in some tests, like rabbits, pigs, dogs and cats? QUOTE But i think that it has to be done....people may not like it...but i mean if it wasnt for animal testing then we wouldnt kno as much as we do about animals and how they react to different things Why do we need to know what the effects of nicotine or caffiene are on animals? I don't see any cats smoking a marboro or a rabbit with a coffee running around. |
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May 22 2004, 10:38 AM
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 WUT THA DUCK? Group: Member Posts: 3,950 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 14,138 |
noooo!!! why would you want to test on animals? animals and humans are different... if you wanted to test... test on a HUMAN!
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May 22 2004, 11:26 AM
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i'm too cool 4 school Group: Member Posts: 752 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 7,421 |
QUOTE i dont knoe but umm... all i can say is sad that the animals die..-_-;; they might have a family too...sniff it's like taking someone and killing them it is not the same thing at all. Animals are not people. I really don't care for animals i mean if someone tortured them then i would get upset or somthing because that isn't right but anything i don't care QUOTE Then why are we using animals that arent similiar to us in some tests, like rabbits, pigs, dogs and cats rabbits are similar to us. they have 44 chromosomes |
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