Cloning, are you for it, or not? Options

[FlyingFries]

err......notsure , itz good 4 clonin organs buh u need to kill a baby fetus i think

[WildGriffin]

u need to kill a baby fetus i think

go research it and report back with your findings, god knows im too lazy too. i'm thinking that they only need a tissue sample and the right genes to clone an organ...but i have no evidence what-so-ever to back it up.

[Mireh]

go research it and report back with your findings, god knows im too lazy too. i'm thinking that they only need a tissue sample and the right genes to clone an organ...but i have no evidence what-so-ever to back it up.

No, they need stem cells.

Well, I think that if your cloning, and the cloning fails, your killing 2 lives that could have been lived. Kinda like abortion.

[*Kathleen*]

I don't think cloning is the solution to medical needs...we can find them in other ways.

[IIO__oII]

I'm against it. Cloning is playing God which isn't cool.

took the words out of my mouth. =]

[ComradeRed]

Alot of you seem to not know how cloning works:

You take the DNA in the nucleus of your cell, hollow out the nucleus of an egg, and put your nucleus into the egg.

The egg is fertilized just like a normal egg, and a baby is born just like the normal baby, the only difference is it has your DNA.

There is nothing wrong with cloning. Cloning is the whole reason we exist. Nature reproduces by cloning. Without cloning, we would all be a single fertilized egg.

[EmeraldKnight]

Alot of you seem to not know how cloning works:

You take the DNA in the nucleus of your cell, hollow out the nucleus of an egg, and put your nucleus into the egg.

The egg is fertilized just like a normal egg, and a baby is born just like the normal baby, the only difference is it has your DNA.

There is nothing wrong with cloning. Cloning is the whole reason we exist. Nature reproduces by cloning. Without cloning, we would all be a single fertilized egg.

But what about cloning extinct animals? now THAT would be basically playing God, bringing something that nature deemed unfit to survive via natural selection back to life

[ComradeRed]

But what about cloning extinct animals? now THAT would be basically playing God, bringing something that nature deemed unfit to survive via natural selection back to life

First, it's almost scientifically impossible to extract viable DNA from a fossil.

SEcond, what's wrong with playing God?

[IIO__oII]

First, it's almost scientifically impossible to extract viable DNA from a fossil.

SEcond, what's wrong with playing God?

umm... u dont want to be playing with God.... cuase noone can be or even be a fraction of God...

[*CEP*]

Nah.
We really don't want anymore people. I mean, it'll be too crowded.
Plus, some people just deserve to stay dead.

Then again, it'll be kinda cool to bring back Jesus or someone more important. Like Elvis.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[EmeraldKnight]

Then again, it'll be kinda cool to bring back Jesus or someone more important. Like Elvis.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi 

haha, but there's no evidence that the ppl will be exactly the same.. i mean.. it goes back to the whole nature vs. nurture thing, what ppl come to be and what they do with the gift of life largely depends on their environment and opportunities presented

So realli... whats the whole point of cloning ppl if they wont be the same as the previous ones because the exactly environment and how they react to it CANNOT be reproduced

[craziplaya21]

im all 4 it especially if i can clone da hottest girl out there and hav her all 2 myself

[*Kathleen*]

im all 4 it especially if i can clone da hottest girl out there and hav her all 2 myself

Hah. *Cough selfish cough*

Hmm...yeah, Minda, it's okay to play God, but as I said - *Realizes she shouldn't be asking Minda of all people* - how will the person feel when they're treated like a lab rat, or more importantly, how society will look at them?

[tkproduce]

how society will look at them?

The problem is that most people are so damn ignorant and stupid. They hear the word "clone" and imagine some sort of zombie aimlessly walking around. I mean, just look at half the people in this forum. They don't have a clue what cloning is - they seem to be against it for all the wrong reasons. Society will look at "clones" as non-human machines with no souls as long as these ignorant people exist and the majority of people always will be ignorant.

[angel-roh]

im against it... someday they gona get picked on... "hey that girl/boy got cloned...hes fake...hes not real." plus... cloning is not a good thing to do...cus some crazy mad scientist can get paid from weird ppls... "weird" meaning... strange ppls...who do bad stuff... like they can clone president bush...and replace him... man not a good thing to do...if they start that cloning business. imma kick their @ss

[EmeraldKnight]

im against it... someday they gona get picked on... "hey that girl/boy got cloned...hes fake...hes not real." plus... cloning is not a good thing to do...cus some crazy mad scientist can get paid from weird ppls... "weird" meaning... strange ppls...who do bad stuff... like they can clone president bush...and replace him... man not a good thing to do...if they start that cloning business. imma kick their @ss

They cant replace Bush, I'm not sure if you know how cloning works.. they dont just make an exact replica of someone.. sure, they may be simlar in physical aspects, but the environment in which they grow up in plays a huge part.. its that nature vs. nurture argument..

The problem is that most people are so damn ignorant and stupid. They hear the word "clone" and imagine some sort of zombie aimlessly walking around. I mean, just look at half the people in this forum. They don't have a clue what cloning is - they seem to be against it for all the wrong reasons. Society will look at "clones" as non-human machines with no souls as long as these ignorant people exist and the majority of people always will be ignorant.

That I agree with.. in concept I dont think its that bad, but realistically, I'd hate to be a clone

[onenonly101]

I would hate to be a clone also because people like to find things about you and expose you to degrade you. Cloning is playing God osmething that I don't agree iwth because we were all made in His image, a clone would not be made in His image because He didn't make it. Aside form that the world is already getting over populated we don't need any extra people

[EmeraldKnight]

Cloning is playing God osmething that I don't agree iwth because we were all made in His image, a clone would not be made in His image because He didn't make it.

Can we PLEASE keep religion out of this, there are several religious debates going on already, keep religious views out please as they may contradict with others

Aside form that the world is already getting over populated we don't need any extra people

And yes, this I completely agree with

The ppl that advocate cloning some famous celebrity or their pet or something dont realize that it WILL NOT BE THE SAME because it doesnt matter if they're the same genetically, genetics account for the entirety of a person, the environment and its influences matter a lot as well

[*Kathleen*]

The problem is that most people are so damn ignorant and stupid. They hear the word "clone" and imagine some sort of zombie aimlessly walking around. I mean, just look at half the people in this forum. They don't have a clue what cloning is - they seem to be against it for all the wrong reasons. Society will look at "clones" as non-human machines with no souls as long as these ignorant people exist and the majority of people always will be ignorant.

I'm not saying that I'm going to look at them different; it's just that you know how publicized this is going to be once they actually clone the first human - that is if they do. People will know who he/she is. Also, as I said - they're just going to use him like a lab rat. I can't possibly see that as a moral thing to do. Of course, it's in the eye of the beholder, is it not?

This is my 4,000th post!

[EmeraldKnight]

This is my 4,000th post! 

Just had to brag there, didnt you..? haha kidding, many congrats!

I'm not saying that I'm going to look at them different; it's just that you know how publicized this is going to be once they actually clone the first human - that is if they do. People will know who he/she is. Also, as I said - they're just going to use him like a lab rat. I can't possibly see that as a moral thing to do. Of course, it's in the eye of the beholder, is it not?

Yes, the lab rat part I agree with, but society as a whole will treat them, not as a human, but as an experiment, cloning, in a way, takes away a person's humanity

[onenonly101]

Can we PLEASE keep religion out of this, there are several religious debates going on already, keep religious views out please as they may contradict with others


And yes, this I completely agree with

The ppl that advocate cloning some famous celebrity or their pet or something dont realize that it WILL NOT BE THE SAME because it doesnt matter if they're the same genetically, genetics account for the entirety of a person, the environment and its influences matter a lot as well

ok sorry, it is just that religion plays a major part in my life that is what i base alot of things off of and to debate you have to have reasons for your stance and that is one of my reasons.

Yeah people don't understand that they will not be the same. They will just look the same and have the same DNA. We had a debate like this st school and one thing that arose was that what if someone committed a crime and all they had to go on is DNA evidence and they had a clone how would they know who was guilty

[EmeraldKnight]

one thing that arose was that what if someone committed a crime and all they had to go on is DNA evidence and they had a clone how would they know who was guilty

Now THAT is an excellent point there, which kinda makes me wonder (off topic but if someone could answer it), what happens if a twin commits a crime?

And additionally, with cloning, the next step will be to genetically modify ppl and select the onli the desirable traits.. we'd have a Gatacca-like scenario

[onenonly101]

Twin thing I'm not sure and that is what i want to know.

Humans also go too far with something as you said making people with specific traits. Or making a specfic breed of clone made for fighting and things like that

[EmeraldKnight]

Or making a specfic breed of clone made for fighting and things like that

made for fighting? what do you mean by that?

oh haha nvrm.. i see what you mean, like in Star Wars.. haha well, yes, that would be something a mad scientist could do, create a clone army with which to attack ppl, although thats hardly unrealistic (was that what you meant?)

[onenonly101]

yeah that is what i meant. Also it starts to get confusing because I don't know if i were going to recognize them as human or not. And if i didn't then why not have them be the only ones sent to die for our country, but if they were human that idea would be completely inhumane. I don't think even if they really werent human that I would say that their life didn't matter

That probably didn;t make any sense, so i'd understand if you were thinking after you read that