Busing and ReSegregation, intergration Options

[onenonly101]

It seems as though places like school are becoming segregated again. I go to an all black school, with the exception of 3 or 4 asians and 3 or 4 hispanics. I used to do the M to M program. It was a program called Minority to Majority. Then they shut it off because of one man complaining about busing. It turns out he was a racist and didn't want blacks going to school with his daughter.(Which now blacks are moving into their community so...) Now they made me go back to my home school Towers. I don't live in the inner city and my neighborhood is black. Busing forced intergration. I loved going to Peachtree because of the fact that it was so many different races there. Now it is only one race. No diveristy at all. That is not how it is going to be in the real world. You will incounter people from all different backgrounds. So the question is Should we restart Busing

[*Kathleen*]

That's so sad. Ugh...yes, there should be busing! I feel like we're going backwards as a society sometimes. Hmph. Anywho, I remember surveys showing students perform better when they're mixed with other races for some reason. It's good to have a mix of cultures, you know?

[T00000]

it seems like you live in georgia... i live in georgia too, like by duluth/alpharetta. well that's really sad to know. i did know that lots of places in Georgia and down here in the south still do some things segregated. like, i know of lots of high schools in the rural areas that segregate prom, and i think that's so sad. it also seems to be a way to discourage interracial relationships. some people, i tell ya...

[*Kathleen*]

Yeah, I read an article about segregated proms...it's sad to know discrimination still exists today. It's quite hard to change someone's mind on something like that, though.

[ComradeRed]

It seems as though places like school are becoming segregated again. I go to an all black school, with the exception of 3 or 4 asians and 3 or 4 hispanics. I used to do the M to M program. It was a program called Minority to Majority. Then they shut it off because of one man complaining about busing. It turns out he was a racist and didn't want blacks going to school with his daughter.(Which now blacks are moving into their community so...) Now they made me go back to my home school Towers. I don't live in the inner city and my neighborhood is black. Busing forced intergration. I loved going to Peachtree because of the fact that it was so many different races there. Now it is only one race. No diveristy at all. That is not how it is going to be in the real world. You will incounter people from all different backgrounds. So the question is Should we restart Busing

You do realize that in Brown v. Board of Education, the reason given to desegregate teh schools was to AVOID busing, right?

The black girl who sued, sued because she had to ride a bus all the way across town to a black school whereas there was a white school right nearby.

By busing people to other schools to force integration, you are doing the exact same thing that was the whole rationale for integrating in the first place.

I'm not sure if I should write "Racist" or "Unconstitutional" next, so I'll do both:

UNCONSTITUTIONAL RACIST!!!!


Moreover, "diversity" is a myth. Why do we want diversity? We want diversity because it helps education. But the reason diversity helps education is that people have different opinions, not skin color. This is the legal rationale.

So please, Mr. Hitler, explain to me what a black opinion on Factoring Binomials is, as opposed to a white one.

[ComradeRed]

Yeah, I read an article about segregated proms...it's sad to know discrimination still exists today. It's quite hard to change someone's mind on something like that, though.

Wow, that's a neat prom theme. I've read some better ones though:

Affirmative Action Prom: Nerds get 50% off.

Freudian Prom: Ask your mothers. You know you want to.

Berlin Wall Prom: Boys and girls sit on opposite sides of the room. Anyone trying to cross will be shot by JROTC. At the end of the night, everyone gets together for one big dance and the Student Council is overthrown.

Vietnam War Prom: Everyone is escorted in by armed JROTC cadets through swarms of college protestors. You can have your picture taken in front of scenic burning village. Random gunshots are fired off outside the building, that get more intense as the night draws on. At the end, everyone is evacuated from the prom by helicopter.

[onenonly101]

you must are being sarcastic.

You do realize that in Brown v. Board of Education, the reason given to desegregate teh schools was to AVOID busing, right?

The black girl who sued, sued because she had to ride a bus all the way across town to a black school whereas there was a white school right nearby.

Actually(i'm going to have fun with this) That has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying. I'm saying we need diveristy. It is not black and white in the real world. You don't know what I'm saying because you are not experiencing what I am. By people going to majority one color school it forces racist views. I swear to you I'm not lying or kidding when I say at school they teach you to hate white people. Why? Because these people have never been around white people. They take what they see on Tv and make a conclusion from it. A conclusion that is biased and not even half of the story.

You are right she sued because it was a white school right by. I'm saying that we need to buss because people are not going to move to a neighborhood where they are the only one of their skin color. So the only way to get diveristy is to buss. To have programs like M to M where it takes minorities and brings them to majority of one color school and it begans to change the school into a mixed environment.

Yeah, I read an article about segregated proms...it's sad to know discrimination still exists today.  It's quite hard to change someone's mind on something like that, though.

Yeah that is in down south Georgia though. I live in Dekalb County which is in metro Altlanta. It is sad that people are so closed-minded and ignorant. That same county now added a new prom. An all hispanic prom. Now they have a Black prom-whichi is open to everyone, a white prom-closed to everyone not white, and a hispanic prom. It is so stupid

[T00000]

first off, ComradeRed, don't double post... i also don't understand what you're trying to say...


second, yeah this segregation is causing us to regress...

[ComradeRed]

first off, ComradeRed, don't double post... i also don't understand what you're trying to say...


second, yeah this segregation is causing us to regress...

I didn't double post... if you read what I posted you can see clearly that the two posts are distinct from one another, unlike a black opinion on factoring and a white opinion on factoring.

[onenonly101]

um posting two times=double posting. It might just be me but i thought that was what it is called....

But really you aren't making sense at all

[ComradeRed]

Actually(i'm going to have fun with this) That has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying.

I'm just showing that the reason we integreated in the first place is to AVOID busing. So wouldn't it be smart to actually DO IT?

I'm saying we need diveristy. It is not black and white in the real world. You don't know what I'm saying because you are not experiencing what I am.

In other words, we need a diversity of EXPERIENCES AND IDEAS. I already asked you and you haven't responded: WHY is this tied in with race?

I swear to you I'm not lying or kidding when I say at school they teach you to hate white people. Why? Because these people have never been around white people. They take what they see on Tv and make a conclusion from it. A conclusion that is biased and not even half of the story.

I'm assuming you mean informally htere's a hatred of white people. There's nothing wrong with that. You see, as a member of a free society, I will hate whoever the hell I want to. And I have teh right to say so.

It BECOMES wrong when that hate and racism is advocated by the GOVERNMENT -- through busing, where RACE is used as a criteria of what school kids go to.

You are right she sued because it was a white school right by. I'm saying that we need to buss because people are not going to move to a neighborhood where they are the only one of their skin color. So the only way to get diveristy is to buss.

So if I'm reading you right, you're saying, sometimes the only way to get rid of a headache is to shoot yourself in the head. Go try it.

To have programs like M to M where it takes minorities and brings them to majority of one color school and it begans to change the school into a mixed environment.

If I wanted a mixed environment, I could go downtown. I pay taxes to go to school to learn as conveniently as possible, and that means close to my house.

Yeah that is in down south Georgia though. I live in Dekalb County which is in metro Altlanta.

Cool, I was down there for the Emory Debate Tourney a few months ago. Nice place.

It is sad that people are so closed-minded and ignorant. That same county now added a new prom. An all hispanic prom. Now they have a Black prom-whichi is open to everyone, a white prom-closed to everyone not white, and a hispanic prom. It is so stupid

Is this at a public school or a private one?

If it's at a public school, then we should abolish it ... but that doesn't mean FORCE integration either. It means, whatever works out WITHOUT STATE INTERFERENCE is what works out.

If it's a private one, they can have an all-blonde hair prom for all I care. I don't pay taxes to support them.

[ComradeRed]

um posting two times=double posting. It might just be me but i thought that was what it is called....

But really you aren't making sense at all

Posting the same thign twice = double posting.

I see we have a definitional problem here. I'll let this slide.

[onenonly101]

I'm just showing that the reason we integreated in the first place is to AVOID busing. So wouldn't it be smart to actually DO IT?



In other words, we need a diversity of EXPERIENCES AND IDEAS. I already asked you and you haven't responded: WHY is this tied in with race?



I'm assuming you mean informally htere's a hatred of white people. There's nothing wrong with that. You see, as a member of a free society, I will hate whoever the hell I want to. And I have teh right to say so.

It BECOMES wrong when that hate and racism is advocated by the GOVERNMENT -- through busing, where RACE is used as a criteria of what school kids go to.



So if I'm reading you right, you're saying, sometimes the only way to get rid of a headache is to shoot yourself in the head. Go try it.



If I wanted a mixed environment, I could go downtown. I pay taxes to go to school to learn as conveniently as possible, and that means close to my house.



Cool, I was down there for the Emory Debate Tourney a few months ago. Nice place.



Is this at a public school or a private one?

If it's at a public school, then we should abolish it ... but that doesn't mean FORCE integration either. It means, whatever works out WITHOUT STATE INTERFERENCE is what works out.

If it's a private one, they can have an all-blonde hair prom for all I care. I don't pay taxes to support them.

People of different races do have different experiences. Why? because they are brought up in different places and have different ideas instilled into their minds.

There is nothing wrong with hate? I'm just going to leave that alone.

So if I'm reading you right, you're saying, sometimes the only way to get rid of a headache is to shoot yourself in the head. Go try it.

Actually no because it is not the same. Shooting yourself in the head will only bring pain. Busing doesn't bring pain. Like i said ti is diveristy, and it doesn't bring pain.

It is a public school.

And actually on these boards we consider posting twice double posting it doesn't matter if you are talking about another issue

[ComradeRed]

People of different races do have different experiences. Why? because they are brought up in different places and have different ideas instilled into their minds.

That proves that people who were brought up in different places have different experiences. You've never proven why, WITH ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL, a black person would have different experiences than a white one.

There is nothing wrong with hate? I'm just going to leave that alone.

Okay, maybe I wasn't clear. I have the right to hate. So do you. So does everyone else in our country.

I do NOT condone hate, and I would NEVER defend hate.
However, I will defend the RIGHT to hate, and all of our other rights, from BB.

Actually no because it is not the same. Shooting yourself in the head will only bring pain.

You wouldn't feel any of the pain.

Busing doesn't bring pain. Like i said ti is diveristy, and it doesn't bring pain.

Having to spend an extra thirty minutes on the road while I have a huge project due the next day or having to walk another ten minutes in January Pensnylvania Snow could potentially cause some pain.

It is a public school.

And actually on these boards we consider posting twice double posting it doesn't matter if you are talking about another issue

Well that's stupid. What are you supposed to do when you adress TWO separate issues?

[T00000]

No, ComradeRed, double posting is posting two posts in a row. if you want to add something to your post, click edit. double posting isn't allowed in these forums

[ComradeRed]

No, ComradeRed, double posting is posting two posts in a row. if you want to add something to your post, click edit. double posting isn't allowed in these forums

All right then my fault. I'm used to NS/PCF rules...

[T00000]

All right then my fault. I'm used to NS/PCF rules...

its all good

[*AngelicEyz00*]

I love schools with a lot of diversity. At my school now, there's like half white, and half hispanic... a few asians and even less blacks I don't really like it, cuz I was used to there being like about half mexican, half black, some whites, and some asians... I dunno, I guess the change was just a little werid, but i really do like schools with like a lot of minorites

[onenonly101]

That proves that people who were brought up in different places have different experiences. You've never proven why, WITH ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL, a black person would have different experiences than a white one.

They are different. Our cultures are different the way we do things are different. T

Okay, maybe I wasn't clear. I have the right to hate. So do you. So does everyone else in our country.

We do not have the "right" to hate. We don't really have rights we have privledges and things we think we should have/do

You wouldn't feel any of the pain.

You will feel pain because you do not die right after the shot is fired

Having to spend an extra thirty minutes on the road while I have a huge project due the next day or having to walk another ten minutes in January Pensnylvania Snow could potentially cause some pain.

Actually it won't. Have you ever been bussed? I have i don't care if i spend one 1 on the buss I recieve different views on life by going to diverse schools.

Well that's stupid. What are you supposed to do when you adress TWO separate issues?

Skip a couple of lines

You do realize that in Brown v. Board of Education, the reason given to desegregate teh schools was to AVOID busing, right?

It wasn't because then the case of Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education made busing. Most of the children already rode buses to and from school anyways and that made the courts order busing to desegregate schools. Busing broke segregation in the South. Gary Orfield said this : The issue of school segregation had become one of helping our schools serve a student body where two of every five students are minorities and preparing out children for a society that is in the midst of a great transformation.
Here in Georgia we are the most segregated state. I don't like seeing/knowing that. Diveristy is a myth to you but not to the majority of the American people who welcome it and believe in it.

[ComradeRed]

They are different. Our cultures are different the way we do things are different. T

So we should have affirmative action BY CULTURE then? So my friends have a secret subculture, so to increase diversity we should get moved up above our ability level?

We do not have the "right" to hate. We don't really have rights we have privledges and things we think we should have/do

The Constitution says we have the right to believe whatever we want. And we have the right to say it.

I don't know about in fascist dictatorships, but in the United States of America, I have the right to hate whoever I want and say it.

You will feel pain because you do not die right after the shot is fired

You could.

Actually it won't. Have you ever been bussed? I have i don't care if i spend one 1 on the buss I recieve different views on life by going to diverse schools.

I have been bussed and I do care. Not only am I wasting time, my parents are wasting their tax dollars. Which means that I might not be able to pay for college.

It wasn't because then the case of Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education made busing. Most of the children already rode buses to and from school anyways and that made the courts order busing to desegregate schools. Busing broke segregation in the South. Gary Orfield said this : The issue of school segregation had become one of helping our schools serve a student body where two of every five students are minorities and preparing out children for a society that is in the midst of a great transformation.
Here in Georgia we are the most segregated state. I don't like seeing/knowing that. Diveristy is a myth to you but not to the majority of the American people who welcome it and believe in it.

There's a difference between legal segregation and social segregation.

There is NOTHIGN WRONG WITH SOCIAL SEGREGATION. The First Amendment guarantees the RIGHT TO ASSEMBLY. That means I have the right to assemble with whoever I want! That also means I have the right to NOT assemble with whoever I don't want! That means that you have that right too!

Hate black people? You don't have to deal with them.

Forcing segregation IN FACT causes legal (and I use that term very loosely) discrimination, since it violates the said amendment.

The whole reason institutional segregation was wrong was because it violated the freedom of assembly (i.e. you didn't have the right to associate with black people). Now, busing violates that EXACT SAME RIGHT (i.e. now you don't have the right NOT to associate with black people or whatever).


Modern "civil rights" is using State Power to enfroce racial associations that its advocates deem desirable. Exactly what it used to fight against.

[onenonly101]

It was used to fight FIr racial associations.

Intergration is needed. Because school is the only way to encounter someone of a difference race while being a teen because you go to all black malls(in my case), live in all black neighborhoods and go to all black parties. When you come in contact with someone of another race you don't know how to act because you haven't been around them so you automactically think they are different. Making intergration won't make people get to know people of the other race but it will allow them to interact(because of clas) and encounter them. Because in the real world you can't get anywhere without associating with someone of the opposite race.

[ComradeRed]

It was used to fight FIr racial associations.

Intergration is needed. Because school is the only way to encounter someone of a difference race while being a teen because you go to all black malls(in my case), live in all black neighborhoods and go to all black parties. When you come in contact with someone of another race you don't know how to act because you haven't been around them so you automactically think they are different. Making intergration won't make people get to know people of the other race but it will allow them to interact(because of clas) and encounter them. Because in the real world you can't get anywhere without associating with someone of the opposite race.

Hahaha! FORUM LURKERS RULE!!

Anyways, back to topic:

Exactly. My point. You are using state power to fight FOR racial associations that you deem desirable. Who is to say that having this many black people and having this many white people is a good thing? Are you God?

People should be free to associate with whoever they want. It is fundamentally racist to argue that the government should enforce racial associations that it likes.

"Uniformity is good. With uniformity, people don't have to worry about race and can concentrate more on their education. Because uniformity is better for education, we should segregate races."

Morally identical to what you're proposing.

In terms of knowing how to act around people, why don't you start thinking of people of other races as PEOPLE, not just blacks, whites, etc.? Go to a white mall. No one's stopping you.

[onenonly101]

I do go to white malls, i never said i didn't i was talking about those who don't. I go to any mall that I like, now more than ever because they are becoming intergrated. I don't just think of blacks and whites, i do think of other races. I act the same aorund anyone. I'm talking about people who never been around someone who didn't look like them and they say they don't know how to act aorund them

[ComradeRed]

I do go to white malls, i never said i didn't i was talking about those who don't. I go to any mall that I like, now more than ever because they are becoming intergrated. I don't just think of blacks and whites, i do think of other races. I act the same aorund anyone. I'm talking about people who never been around someone who didn't look like them and they say they don't know how to act aorund them

Then LET people go to those malls if they want. No one has to "integrate" the malls. They just have to "desegregate" them. There's a difference.

If they don't want diversity, why should we force it down their thraots?

[onenonly101]

diversity just is right to me. I never said that we had to intergrate malls i said schools.