is george bush out of control?, spying on us citizens Options

[illumineering]

Is this "War on Terror" getting out of hand? It has been disclosed that Bush ordered wiretaps against US citizens without first getting warrants. Click here to read the NY Times article.

His comment that those who oppose him are putting the nation at risk is, in my view, are way out of line. How is breaking the law going to safeguard us when it's a violation of the very liberties he is supposed to be protecting?

Arlen Specter, a PA Republican Senator, is conducting hearings next year to investigate possible illegal activity.

Personally, I'm glad the renewal of the Patriot Act is stalled and people are starting to voice concerns over this whole "War on Terror." The total cost of the war now exceeds $220,000,000,000. That's about $700 for every citizen of the US? Do you feel that much safer after shelling out that much money? Here's a link to a site that keeps a running total of the cost.

I think it's time to take a hard look at what we are willing to sacrafice in order to fight terror.

[jEllyBeaNs]

^yea, i totally agree with everything you are saying. and today my mom told me that Bush wants to put some device in peoples phones to listen to their conversations becuz of some reason that has to do with terrosit or somethin. in my opinion i really really think that is ridiculous, how is that going to solve terroism issues?! :-/

[emazing]

I was watching this debate on the news, actually, this morning.
I think it's .. crazy. There's nothing in the Constitution that makes it legal to spy on U.S. citizens, and even though the President is commander-in-chief doesn't make it any better for him to break laws like that.
It also violates our amendment to privacy.
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I think it's time to take a hard look at what we are willing to sacrafice in order to fight terror.

Hear, hear.

[sadolakced acid]

the best way to make america safe is to make it the USSR.

but then we're not americans.

what people fail to realize is by being american we are being vulnerable. to change that is to change who we are.

[Tribal J_Rome]

i read about this on comcast.net. this is crazy, the guy needs to get assassinated lol

[_suzie_]

Its not only him, dudes. its his administration, who are ALL conservatives and are a minority in your country. you guys want whats best for the american people, right? well these guys want whats best for their own pockets, and theyre abusing every law they can to do so. THey are creating this fear to scare the people into doing what they want you to do. ignore their shit and dont take the lies
once he gets his ass kicked outa office, make sure u vote in someone who has ur interests at heart !

just dont take shit (thats kinda hard seeing as most politicians are dickheads, but its a dirty game). i feel bad for u american people at the minute, and i hope the situation gets better. theyre grossly abusing your rights dudes, u gotta stand up for em, and dont give into the false fear

[illumineering]

THey are creating this fear to scare the people into doing what they want you to do.

The ambiguous "War on Terror" is vague enough in identifying the enemy and military objectives to create fear of an unidentifiable and unseen enemy. Look how quickly the Patriot Act passed the first time around. It's amazing that people would vote to dismiss constitutionally guaranteed liberties so quickly. Are we any safer today as a result? If you listen to Bush, the answer is no. We're still involved in a war with no end in sight that has resulted in excessive loss of life, huge debt, illegal activity and spying on American citizens. Wow.

[sadolakced acid]

i read about this on comcast.net. this is crazy, he guys needs to get assassinated lol

beware, patriot act still in effect.


it seems to me that the war on terror mostly consists of spending money to protect iraq while spying on american citizens. shouldn't it be the other way around?

[illumineering]

^^ Yes, the MIB really do exist!

[verlorenrivets]

The "war on terror" was out of hand before it started, but everyone hates to listen to people who are right until shit has already hit the fan and has been splattered all over their homes. It's too late now, all of our freedoms are being sucked away, and there's no safeguards left to save us. Remember the carnivore program that was shut down because of Kevin Mitnick's radical action? Probably not, but find some news articles using google on it. You'll find that the Carnivore program severely encroached on the rights of normal citizens by destroying a form of free speech. That program has now come back under some different names since the advent of the " war on terror."

This war is against the american people. This war is fueled by our ignorance. Good job everyone who voted for (or would have voted for) Bush. Twice.

[*not_your_average*]

Yes, our president is out of control. He has gotten the entire country into a situation that we can't get out of. He has taken our worst fears and manipulated them for support from the public. Apparently, if you don't support the "War on Terror," you should be shot. That's not true at all.

Hopefully, Arlen Spector's requests for congressional hearings will be carried out.

[fameONE]

The president is a pawn for a group known as the imperialists who are tools of the Illuminati.

No bullshit.

[illumineering]

The president is a pawn for a group known as the imperialists who are tools of the Illuminati.

No bullshit.

Yeah. I've heard that, but don't know if it's an "urban legend" or something more substantial.

[HolyMoly]

This doesn't make any sense. Bush wants to "spy" on us?

[illumineering]

This doesn't make any sense. Bush wants to "spy" on us?

Click the links in the first post if you're really interested. It's all over the news. There's going to be congressional hearings at the beginning of the new year.

[fameONE]

Yeah.  I've heard that, but don't know if it's an "urban legend" or something more substantial.

I'm not paranoid but I do believe in the Illuminati's existence; just as I believe that Louis Farrakhan played a major role in Malcolm X's assassination.

[_suzie_]

it doesnt matter whether he's in the iluminati or not. he's still a d1ckhead who doesnt care about his people.

i doubt he's in it, as its an organisation promoting a single world order, something which cant be brought about by Bush's idiotic way of doing things and creating wars and hate, which in turn creates bad relationships between the US and other countries. all going against one order.

unless theyve all changed their minds and want an order which is only good for their own pockets and not good for anyone else. actually yeah that makes sense

[acid_high]

bush is a stupid ass cracker i hope he burns in hell for one saying god told him to do it and two being himself

[glit_gal]

Seriously, what else does this President have to hide? It seems like every week there is something new about him that makes us hate him even more. I wish September 11th hadn't happened in the first place but it's a shame to see the government, particularly Republicans, use it as a tool for blackmail to pass laws and acts like the Patriot Act and wage a war in Iraq to supposedly "protect our country." How is it that you can protect our country but not protect the basic rights of all Americans. The same rights that this country was based on and has fought to protect. It is a shame to see that Bush is still in office after this, why can't those Bush supporters realize what their president has been doing to them!?!?!

[fameONE]

it doesnt matter whether he's in the iluminati or not. he's still a d1ckhead who doesnt care about his people.

  i doubt he's in it, as its an organisation promoting a single world order, something which cant be brought about by Bush's idiotic way of doing things and creating wars and hate, which in turn creates bad relationships between the US and other countries. all going against one order.

unless theyve all changed their minds and want an order which is only good for their own pockets and not good for anyone else. actually yeah that makes sense

Actually, it does matter. Do you really think Bush is making the bulk of the presidential decisions? Illuminati theory aside, he still isn't the primary decision maker. His administration makes the important decisions. His father, Condoleeza Rice and d**k Chaney are the president. Bush is a pawn. He has an arrogant American chamr because he's a proud Texan, so his homegrown conservative image is what sold him to the American public. But if you really think Bush is the 'mastermind' behind these lackluster initiatives to "better our country and countries in need" then you're sadly mistakened.

[_suzie_]

Its not only him, dudes. its his administration, who are ALL conservatives and are a minority in your country.

^ thats what i said, if you'd have read my first post in here, instead of repeating hte exact same point i made..

[megumint]

I think it's time to take a hard look at what we are willing to sacrafice in order to fight terror.

Hasn't it been time for that for a long while?

Well, sure, he's out of control. But that's what a lot of people have been saying along. Finally, more are beginning to realize.

But then why are his approval ratings going up?!? I saw that on the news the other day, that he went up like 10% or something.

Sobsob. We're all screwed. So bad.

[HybridCountdown5]

I agree with you, Bush is way out of hand. I hope people are finally beginning to realize their error in electing him as our leader.
I do not support any war or anything that causes people to die (capital punishment etc.) but even so, here's my views:
The war in Iraq isn’t accomplishing what it was intended to when it begun, it’s not little more than a personal vendetta of Bush and his cabinet.
At this point we seem to be repairing the damage we ourselves inflicted.
I truly pity the soldiers who are wasting their lives for an ideal cause that doesn’t exist in this war. For the victim’s families, it’s a lot easier to say that their family member died heroically for the good of their nation than to say that they were killed in a corrupt war because our leader didn’t care or was too stupid to care.

Although they’re comedy shows, The Daily Show with John Stewart and The Colbert Report make valid points, I recommend those who share these views watch (not to mention they’re mad funny)

[*mipadi*]

Well, as Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) recently said, "None of your civil liberties matter much after you're dead."[1]

[f4113n]

even b4 this, patriot act the police can search ur house w/o a warrant, now they can listen 2 ur fone convos.....next will be telescreens

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU
....if not, at least listening

fighting terror? what terror? the suicide bombings that r on the other side of the earth? the bush administration is causing more terror than anything else.