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post Nov 27 2005, 07:57 PM
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On December 13th 2005, Stan Tookie Williams will be excuted.

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Stan was the co-founder in 1971 of the Los Angeles Crips gang. In 1981 he was convicted of murdering four people during two robberies and sentenced to death row at San Quentin State Prison. Stan deeply regrets his gang involvement but has always maintained his innocence of these crimes.

Stanley "Tookie" Williams receives no money for having written the Tookie Speaks Out series and Life in Prison. He is donating proceeds to several non-profit organizations, including Mothers Against Gang Wars, located in South Central Los Angeles, California. All donations and grants given to The Institute For Prevention Of Youth Violence, a nonprofit entity, will go toward funding a diverse group of programs that will assist children in becoming responsible, successful and self-confident people.


My question is - Should Governor Schwarzenegger grant him clemency? In what situation should the Governor grant clemency?


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If your interested, here's a site dedicated to saving Tookie. http://www.savetookie.org/index.html
 
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post Nov 27 2005, 08:04 PM
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I think yes. He claims he is a changed man and I believe him.
Edit: I decided to think about this.....and I change my mind. I do believe he has changed, but he did what he did and there is no excuse for it.
 
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post Nov 28 2005, 01:15 PM
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Depends.

I believe Tookie's changed, and I do believe he'd be an asset to the community if freed.

I also believe he won't live long if granted clemency.

Then again, if Tookie is freed, then the warden of every pen in the entire country is going to have to take an in depth look on the files of their prisoners, because Tookie isn't the only brotha that needs to be let out of the cage.
 
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post Nov 28 2005, 02:18 PM
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He's an unrepentant former gang leader and murderer. He should never get out of prison. I'm not a supporter of the death penalty, so I think it's reasonable that he spends the rest of his natural life in prison.
 
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post Nov 28 2005, 08:37 PM
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What Tookie did was absolutely inexcusable and he deserves to be punished. I don't think he should be freed, even though I know in my heart that he truly regrets what he has done. I think he should be kept alive in prison, in order to talk to kids who might join gangs.
 
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post Dec 3 2005, 08:35 AM
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well i don't think that it's a good idea if he is freed,probably not give him a death sentence but maybe a longer time in prison.
 
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post Dec 3 2005, 10:36 PM
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^same here. no matter wat the person did, nobody deserves to be killed. thats like murdering too.
 
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post Dec 9 2005, 02:36 AM
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I actually think he SHOULD be executed. It wouldn't be fair to all the other convicts who got executed. Even though he turned his life around, made a change, etc. Regardless of all that, he still did what he did. He killed human beings. I don't see how just because of that, he gets freed. You have to think about the family of the people that were killed by him. Imagine how they'd feel if Tookie was freed. The man who killed their son/brother/uncle etc.

QUOTE(_sarcastic_ @ Dec 3 2005, 8:35 AM)
well i don't think that it's a good idea if he is freed,probably not give him a death sentence but maybe a longer time in prison.
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He's serving life in prison right now. Right? happy.gif huh.gif
I admit I would feel sorry for him, but it's not like he brought those dead people back to life. Just because he wrote books and changed everything doesn't cover for the fact he did kill someone.
 
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post Dec 9 2005, 07:20 AM
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QUOTE(lakerfever2476 @ Dec 9 2005, 2:36 AM)
He's serving life in prison right now. Right?  happy.gif  huh.gif
I admit I would feel sorry for him, but it's not like he brought those dead people back to life. Just because he wrote books and changed everything doesn't cover for the fact he did kill someone.
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what i meant was instead of a death sentence why not just let him stay in prison
 
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post Dec 9 2005, 03:46 PM
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are you guys f**king stupid? HE'S THE FOUNDER OF THE CRIPS AND HIS 16-YEAR OLD DAUGHTER GOT KILLED FROM THE GANG MEMBERS INTENTIONALLY...AND TOOKIE WAS CONNECTED WITH THEM..ALSO THIS IS A FACT THAT TOOKIE KILLED 4 PEOPLE WITH A SHOTGUN? 4 f**king PEOPLE WITH A SHOTGUN....AND U DONT BELIEVE HE DESERVES TO GET EXECUTED? I WOULD BE GLAD IF HE GOT EXECUTED BECAUSE HE DID WHAT WAS WRONG AND THE PUNISHMENT IS GOING TO COME!

IF ANYONE KILLS ANOTHER PERSON, THAT PERSON WHO DID THE MURDERING NEEDS TO BE KILLED AS WELL! THATS A POWERFUL LAW THAT NEEDS TO BE GOING.

SO YES TOOKIE SHOULD BE EXECUTED.
 
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post Dec 10 2005, 12:36 PM
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i think NO . okay if he is free then what about the familes that he f**ked up? its hella unfair.. but i dont believe in the death punishment. but he should stay in jail...
 
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post Dec 10 2005, 12:43 PM
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" don't join gangs and kill people kids because you'll end up like me, free as a bird, rich, and famous"

just doens't seem like the right way to convince kids.
 
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post Dec 10 2005, 01:29 PM
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I think he should rot in the hole, but I don't think its right that the state decides his fate.
 
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post Dec 10 2005, 01:41 PM
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He should be executed im sorry but seriously hes just doing this to look good HE KILLED SOOO MANY PEOPLE and put soo much dirty money in the streets. So KILLED LAUNDERED MONEY SOLD DRUGS(TO MINORS) and CO-FOUNDED one of the most dangerous gangs in the U.S THE CRIPS.... =\ what do you think?...
 
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post Dec 10 2005, 01:59 PM
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I think he should be executed because he took people's lives. And he did what he did even though he has changed. He still deserves a punishment.
 
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post Dec 10 2005, 02:52 PM
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Murder=Punishment.

No..he shouldn't be allowed to live. He shot 4 people, and started up a gang.

Sure, he's changed, but he can't change what he's already done.
 
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post Dec 10 2005, 02:55 PM
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I am against the death penalty, so I believe he should be in prison for life. He has to do something to serve his punishment for doing what he did. Taking a life is an unexcuseable act in my opinion, and Tookie should pay the price for it.
 
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post Dec 12 2005, 01:32 AM
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Buh-bye Tookie. Good riddance!
 
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post Dec 12 2005, 02:07 AM
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Gosh, his days are numbered. if he doesn't get clemency, CNN says he'll be injected Tuesday midnight. O_OO
 
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post Dec 12 2005, 05:17 AM
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QUOTE(Kristinaa @ Dec 10 2005, 2:52 PM)
Murder=Punishment.

No..he shouldn't be allowed to live. He shot 4 people, and started up a gang.

Sure, he's changed, but he can't change what he's already done.
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And killing another person will not change what he has done either. Is it just me, but... doesn't killing another person for their mistakes and offenses in hopes for satisfaction seem kind of sick and barbaric, not to mention hypocritical?
 
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post Dec 12 2005, 05:12 PM
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Why not try to rehabilitate him, or let him prove his self-worth (which he pretty much has)? Usually, when people kill others, they're not thinking so straight and maybe have some mental or psychological problems that affect their judgement. Instead of simply killing someone, and taking the easy way out, why not try to help them with their apparent problems?
 
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post Dec 12 2005, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE(Acid Bath Slayer @ Dec 12 2005, 5:17 AM)
And killing another person will not change what he has done either. Is it just me, but... doesn't killing another person for their mistakes and offenses in hopes for satisfaction seem kind of sick and barbaric, not to mention hypocritical?
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Okay..I was watching TV && this crazy lady said pretty much what you just said.

By killing someone who has killed, that means we are basically supporting this killing business, right?

I believe an eye for an eye, a life for a life, etc etc etc. He killed someone, the evidence says so..blah blah blah, and, well, if you do something wrong you should be punished.

That simple.
 
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post Dec 12 2005, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE(Kristinaa @ Dec 12 2005, 5:25 PM)
I believe an eye for an eye, a life for a life, etc etc etc. He killed someone, the evidence says so..blah blah blah, and, well, if you do something wrong you should be punished.

That simple.
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So who gets to kill the guy with the needle?
 
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post Dec 12 2005, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE(sheridan_whiteside @ Dec 12 2005, 6:27 PM)
So who gets to kill the guy with the needle?
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Heh. Well put.
 
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post Dec 12 2005, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE(Kristinaa @ Dec 12 2005, 4:25 PM)
Okay..I was watching TV && this crazy lady said pretty much what you just said.

By killing someone who has killed, that means we are basically supporting this killing business, right?

I believe an eye for an eye, a life for a life, etc etc etc. He killed someone, the evidence says so..blah blah blah, and, well, if you do something wrong you should be punished.

That simple.
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What if you kill a man, and later find out that he is innocent? Also, there is not enough hard evidense to prove Stanley did it. The only evidense provided is the shotgun shells during the shootings matching that of Stanley's shotgun. There were also witnesses that claimed hearing him saying that he had killed 4 people, but a few of those people were criminals themselfs. Go Figure.
 
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