what to do when mods commit offenses. Options

[KissMe2408]

wait, a sec.
so, if a mod does something wrong then they will be de-modded?
What exactly are the things that are wrong? Like, if they bash a member do they get demodded? If they delete a topic do they get demodded? If it was an accident and they slipped up, does that mean they get demodded?
Maybe we should figure that stuff out before we start voting on this.

I read that thing on the personal conversations in threads between nikki and james. Nikki is a mod, and so does that mean she gets demodded if something like that happens again after this law is passed? I personally think Nikki is a pretty good mod, and i'd hate to loose a good mod because she chatted with james. Am i the only one that finds it crazy to kick off a good staff member just like that? i mean i understand a warning or something..

What happens if a mod talks bad about a member on cb? if another mod sees them posting backstage bashing on a regular member or something does that mean they get demodded too?

I guess it just takes good judgement. Does there have to be a law on this? Wasn't it kinda known that as a mod you have responsibilities and if you start to slip, then ulitimately someone would bring something up to you. Whether it be how active you are here, your attitude, the way you represent Cb.
I agree that all mods should abide by the community guidelines and all,
but wouldn't it be kinda difficult to really make this into a clear cut law?

I mean you could say, "mods should all abide to the community guidelines and be examples to the rest of the community". Yes, that's true. But isn't that a known fact? I guess you could just make it "official" by making it a law...
I think i'm just doing pointless ramblings. You guys can ignore this. I just was curious, and didn't want to just vote "aye" without really going in depth with what the "aye" really means ultimately.

[*mzkandi*]

^ I see what your trying to say and I agree. Honestly if a mod does something bad enough to get their warning level raised they should just be demodded. Forget a warning level system. I'm assumming it would be an admins responsibility for raising a warning level (thus demodding the mod) but does it really have to go that far? I'm sure an admin (or at least would I hope) would see an ongoing issue with a mod and confront them about it. If the behavior continues then some sort of demodding action would be accompanied. Or if a another mod or member notices a particular problem they could bring the issue up with an admin. Yes, all mods should abide by the community guidelines and no, just because they are a mod should rules be bended for them at anytime. With that said, should a mod break rule or does something another member questions then on there is always moderator performance. And if a mod sees a problem with another mod they should take the issue up with an admin and/or the mod themself. But I then think it ultimately boils down to leniency....depending on the offense a mod commits and how many times its been committed.

[EmmalieV]

A conversation thread is an idea that is not needed her. Off topicness is spam so its basically a topic about nothing at all where people say random things probaly to put up there post count which is basically a spam topic. So , no the whole convo thread is a sucky idea.

[*mzkandi*]

What??? I'm getting things mixed up. I could have sworn we talking about a warning system for mods and not some spam convo topic, make a seperate thread for that.

*I'll do it*
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=109701

[*mipadi*]

^ I see what your trying to say and I agree. Honestly if a mod does something bad enough to get their warning level raised they should just be demodded. Forget a warning level system. I'm assumming it would be an admins responsibility for raising a warning level (thus demodding the mod) but does it really have to go that far? I'm sure an admin (or at least would I hope)  would see an ongoing issue with a mod and confront them about it. If the behavior continues then some sort of demodding action would be accompanied. Or if a another mod or member notices a particular problem they could bring the issue up with an admin. Yes, all mods should abide by the community guidelines and no, just because they are a mod should rules be bended for them at anytime. With that said, should a mod break rule or does something another member questions then on there is always moderator performance. And if a mod sees a problem with another mod they should take the issue up with an admin and/or the mod themself. But I then think it ultimately boils down to leniency....depending on the offense a mod commits and how many times its been committed.

I think mzkandi put it quite well. We're not going to go off and demote moderators for tiny little offenses; a demotion should only occur in the most extreme of cases in which a mod has been warned numerous times by other members on the staff. In theory, it probably won't happen at all, because any misbehaving mod (which seems to be a very rare occurence around here) would probably be nudged back into line by the rest of the staff before a demotion would even occur.

[racoons > you]

^

well.

i think weve managed to disprove THAT, at any rate.

[demolished]

For conversation thread, let's give a try.

I don't really see the point of a conversation thread. We have PM's; we have the AIM chatroom; people who just want to chat can you AIM, MSN, IRC, Yahoo!, Google talk, private Invisionfree forum, other private forum, etc. There're myriad choices for off-topic, random, and untargeted chatting.

What if they're offline? Conversation thread would be nice because there's everyone to chat with, share opinions, thoughts, and random conversations. Chat room is a bit restricted or ... people just dont realize where's cB chatroom.

[*mzkandi*]

^ Why are you bringing this up in here? This thread was made to dicuss mod offenses. I already made a topic addressing this and the chat thread is pretty much here to stay. You're wayyyyy late on that.
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=109701

[*mipadi*]

What if they're offline? Conversation thread would be nice because there's everyone to chat with, share opinions, thoughts, and random conversations. Chat room is a bit restricted or ... people just dont realize where's cB chatroom.

One could converse in some sort of private chatroom that the interested participants set up. I didn't mean the cB chatroom specifically.

Also, I don't see the point of this here, either.

[ClaudelGFX]

Geez, this came like my bday cake im waiting to see new things around and "a little punishment" will broke some wings that always fly's up only bcuz they have higher access then the normal users.

[*Guest*]

^
yes yes yes...

all the mods are arrogant awful people who look down upon us lowly members.

lets get those sons of bitches

[*incoherent*]

alright, neither of you even have a valid point.

let's stop all this. its getting us nor you anywhere.

[*tweeak*]

Geez, this came like my bday cake im waiting to see new things around and "a little punishment" will broke some wings that always fly's up only bcuz they have higher access then the normal users.

You don't make sense. At all.

[Retrogressive]

Why can't there be a warning system for mods?

[*tweeak*]

If I do recall correctly, I was warned

[Retrogressive]

I'm not speaking about you specifically. But is there a warning system?

1st offense - 1 warnings, 1 week suspension
2nd offense - 2 warnings, 3 week suspension
3rd offense - 3 warnings, de-modship

Maybe if it was all for the same offense. I don't know how CB wants it. But is there one? Then it would solve everything, right?

[*incoherent*]

im not sure a mod of all people should be given 3 chances. if they get warned a first time and then go as far as to get warned a second, they should be demodded. this of course is within reasonible amount of time.

[Retrogressive]

I think it depends on the offense say Joe is a mod:

-Joe deletes a thread
-Joe is warned and reprimanded

Okay, so a month later Joe is up late and he...
-spams (not really a lot)
-He is warned

I don't really think Joe should be DE-MODDED. Joe was being human. We forget that mods are human just like us. Yes, they are the rule keepers. And yes they should be demodded if they continue to break the rules. But a few minor offenses that anyone could make because they are comfortable at CB shouldn't result in total de-modship.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Deleting a thread and spamming once don't really warrant warnings...I've made a couple spam posts in my time, so that's more than one; should I be demodded? O_o

[Retrogressive]

No that's what I'm saying, I honesly don't think such minor offensess should lead to de-modship.

[*mzkandi*]

I think one warning is enough. I think after a verbal warning from an admin is enough it most cases make the offending mod straighten up their act. Of course it would have to be something pretty serious for a mod to get warned for once we do away with all the minor stuff a mod could get warned over. I think after that first warning though the mod should know better especially if he/she makes a seperate but serious offense that warrants yet another warning.

I think a mods warning level system should not be the same as regular members. A mod shouldnt have to be verbally warned numerous time about things. Nor
should they be given a bunch raised and decreased warning levels in order to get their act together.

[demolished]

^
That's true. Both of them are completely in different ranks. They should know their role and task. Mod has responsible and harder jobs than the others.

I think it depends on the offense say Joe is a mod:

-Joe deletes a thread
-Joe is warned and reprimanded

Okay, so a month later Joe is up late and he...
-spams (not really a lot)
-He is warned

I don't really think Joe should be DE-MODDED. Joe was being human. We forget that mods are human just like us. Yes, they are the rule keepers. And yes they should be demodded if they continue to break the rules. But a few minor offenses that anyone could make because they are comfortable at CB shouldn't result in total de-modship.

All moderators should be aware of deleting threads now and know their role model. If a mod keep does that mostly every month ... he/she will be removed. Aren’t they mature? At least, they show some human errors.

[Retrogressive]

I was giving a for instance not every month but lets say two mistakes. Even a mature mod could have a little downfall, and I think if they are reprimanded and that they show they are a qaulity member of the team then they shouldn't be de-modded. BUT I'm not saying there shouldn't be severe consquences. Mods have the power to take away a regular member's own words or even change them. In a forum such as CB that's basically all we have. If a mod continues to make mistakes of this sort, of course the result should be de-modship. But are we talking about demodship after one mistake? Do the mods have a warning system now?

[Mulder]

I was giving a for instance not every month but lets say two mistakes. Even a mature mod could have a little downfall, and I think if they are reprimanded and that they show they are a qaulity member of the team then they shouldn't be de-modded. BUT I'm not saying there shouldn't be severe consquences. Mods have the power to take away a regular member's own words or even change them. In a forum such as CB that's basically all we have. If a mod continues to make mistakes of this sort, of course the result should be de-modship. But are we talking about demodship after one mistake? Do the mods have a warning system now?

i agree. mods are only human. they should be expected to not commit offenses, but all people make mistakes.

[Retrogressive]

i agree. mods are only human. they should be expected to not commit offenses, but all people make mistakes.

That's very true, and I've been trying to say that. But also just like Kiera said Mods are higher than regular members. This is their job. I guess like with most things the CB staff is going to have to find some balance to weigh what is what when it comes to a mod commiting an offense.