ip bannings and the measures of Options

[sadolakced acid]

"sparingly" like"Nessicary and proper" should be left open to interpretation.

i don't want this to become the alabama constitution with over 1000 amendments.

[*mipadi*]

I just don't think we should make it a standard practice to delete the posts of IP-banned users.

[*mona lisa*]

I think I said this somewhere. Posts shouldn't be deleted, whether or not it is of an IP banned user. Only delete anything as a last resort. Even if that person is spamming, it should be left there. If it's deleted, you're getting rid of evidence and making it seem as if that person didn't actually spam. Yes, no one likes to see/read spam, but if you come across it, warn them, but their posts shouldn't be deleted. Getting into a habit of deleting posts is not good.

[*mipadi*]

I think I said this somewhere. Posts shouldn't be deleted, whether or not it is of an IP banned user. Only delete anything as a last resort. Even if that person is spamming, it should be left there. If it's deleted, you're getting rid of evidence and making it seem as if that person didn't actually spam. Yes, no one likes to see/read spam, but if you come across it, warn them, but their posts shouldn't be deleted. Getting into a habit of deleting posts is not good.

I concur. Leaving evidence behind is important. Banning the account and/or IP should help to limit further spam anyway.

[Heathasm]

well the reason why posts arent deleted like closed topics for instance its to kind of give a guide to people which topics shouldnt be posted and such right?

im just saying . . . an IP banned user can come back on proxies and shouldnt be allowed to communicate on the board so their posts should be deleted . . .

[*mipadi*]

So close topics. If a topic is closed, no one can post in it.

[Heathasm]

what if they post in a topic made by a regular member? you cant just close something cause an IP banned user posted in it

[*mona lisa*]

Suspend that username so that they don't have any posting abilities.

[*tweeak*]

Because that worked so well with Steven.

[*mona lisa*]

He wasn't IP banned, despite what everyone was/is saying. Or wasn't rcently anyway. He was suspended, but most of the mods decided that it would be best to give him another chance. Just think about how many chances Seon Ho received...

[*tweeak*]

This time, no, but he had been IP banned before. Roxy definitely did it. Seon Ho was an entirely different case, too. I have still yet to se why he was given another chance, anyway. He got a ton as it was because Roxy liked him.

[*mona lisa*]

I don't know what happened with Steven then as I was on vacation but I'm sure you read why Steven was given a second chance backstage.

[racoons > you]

just for the record, the motion to allow mods to delete possts of banned members has been passed, with 6 ayes to 3 nays.

but anywho.

yes, i think that if a post is spam, or is member bashing, and the person should not have been here in the first place, their inpiut should be removed.

[micron]

i apologize for this late response. just wanted to mention a couple of things. from the bylaws:

Bannings
mods have the power to:
-ban IP banned user's account
-ban returned IP banned user's new account
-ban returned IP banned user's new IP address

unfortunately, mods DO NOT have the power to ban ips. the only way to ban ips is through the admin control panel, which only admins have access to.

anyway, of greater concern, i think the bylaws committee ought to first spend more time on getting the 'big picture' rather than diving headon into details. for example, instead of concerning yourselves with the excruciating minutia of every single thing that has to do with ip banning, how about addressing what actually will lead to a banning? and how about the rest of the 'policing system' that keeps everyone here at cb behaved? there should be an entire section in the bylaws devoted to the policing system. in it, you should list all the possible corrective actions staff members may take, and when, how, and why they should be enforced.

once again, i ask that you ask yourself (and include them to the bylaws):

-why? why do we need this?
-what? all the whats, ie what abilities do have members have?
-when? when should it take place?
-who? who should be involved?
-where? where should it take place?
-how? how exactly will it take place?



how about to start with, all the bylaws committee atleast take a look at my school's student government's constitution and bylaws.

-constitution
-bylaws

[*disco infiltrator*]

^ Well, I think we're leaving things like that up to the mod's judgement. Not everything has to be put into law. The suspensions/warnings/bannings/etc. are case sensitive. There's no way we can come up with every possible scenario and what it would warrant.

[micron]

^ Well, I think we're leaving things like that up to the mod's judgement. Not everything has to be put into law. The suspensions/warnings/bannings/etc. are case sensitive. There's no way we can come up with every possible scenario and what it would warrant.

actually, i would argue that's the whole point of having bylaws. what good is it to know what to enforce without knowing why or when to? the bylaws should aim to standardize everything, not only to guide staff members, but so that members know exactly what is acceptable and what is not. leaving it to the staff member's judgement just wont do, at the least, there should be some guidelines in place.

please take a look at my school's bylaws to get an idea what bylaws are supposed to be. and this goes to the rest of the bylaws committee.

[racoons > you]

The suspensions/warnings/bannings/etc. are case sensitive. There's no way we can come up with every possible scenario and what it would warrant.

but.. every crim ein the world is case sensitive... and society still has laws

[*disco infiltrator*]

No, that's not true. A judge in a courtroom would know what punishments were unreasonable, simply on common sense, but punishments are assigned to each case based on what the case is, what the crime was, how many offenses prior to the crime were committed, etc.

[sadolakced acid]

so which are mods, the judges, or the police?

[*disco infiltrator*]

I would think it's a bit of a combination of both, but that's besides the point.

[racoons > you]

A judge in a courtroom would know what punishments were unreasonable, simply on common sense, but punishments are assigned to each case based on what the case is, what the crime was, how many offenses prior to the crime were committed, etc.

how exactly is that different?

i mean, if someone member bashes, they get a verbal warning. if hey have had a verbal warning, they get warned, etc.

[*disco infiltrator*]

The judge doesn't know what punishment each separate little scenario warrants before he sees the scenario. Punishments are made on the spot based on the scenario. It's up to his judgment, which is why he's a judge.

[racoons > you]

yes, but he does have t abide by certain guidelines

some crimes dictate that he give a life sentence, others require at least 5 year, or whatnot

[ClaudelGFX]

okay, here's what's about.

people who have been ip banned are able to use their accounts on different computers meaning they could just go to a friends house everyday or use a different comp in their house and still be allowed to post. they are ip banned for a reason...so theyre not here, but ip banning doesnt seem to suspend their account. so i proposed their account be suspended to since they dont seem to be wanted for doing something wrong.

I think this subject was debated uhmmm 3-4 month's ago ?lol
Yep, the only way to temp. stop spammers is to disable/suspend/delete the account of that user, there are many other drastic masures but you can't apply them here in a pub site used by trilliardianomiliards of active users. Why temp? because there are 23993294 ways to pass the system and come back:) BUT if you think you can handle and move to harder/drastic masures for those who deserve more then a ban/suspend, more then 80% of the ISP's from US and others have spam@ abuse@ISP (e-mail's) who are WAITING for this kind of reports just to gain some more money from they're customers :) (The most and biggest ISP used for spam is AOL bcuz with that one you only have to logoff and login again to have another IP address AND they work very fast on this kind of reports just to let you know)

have fun,thanx

[*incoherent*]

I think this subject was debated uhmmm 3-4 month's ago ?lol

obviously that was to me. who cares about when it was debated. this is the bylaws...we are making LAWS for cB. obviously you know nothing about that since you havent been here. it doesnt matter if it was debated 3-4 months ago because were talking about it now to add to the laws of cB. besides, you werent even here 3-4 months ago. you joined in august, admiring roxy like non other, and then left for about the past month-month and a half.

the first time it was debated obviously produced nothing.

im seriously getting tired of all the chaos you are trying to stir up. just leave...again.