ip bannings and the measures of Options

[sadolakced acid]

i dunno, but isn't a proxy just redirection through another IP?

therefore, he still should have an IP adress, just not his. block that and he's forced to find a new proxy.

and there are only so many free proxies.

[*mzkandi*]

x2 I agree. Which is why I said:

If it really bother you that much you could have made a seperate thread (backstage) on the matter so we all could have given you feedback on the matter.

Casually bringing things up lessens the issues importance unless its brought out to the forefront for serious dicussion. This issue with Steven should have been resolved a long time ago and believe me there is serious dicussion going on about that whole issue currently. I dont think this entire thread should be devoted to Steven and "that drama". Lets just handle the issue at hand, how to go about this ip banning and suspension situation and how to deal with those members that try to get around it. (no, not just Steven, because he isnt the only one who has done it)

[sadolakced acid]

ban thier new account and IP address.

[*mzkandi*]

^ Yup, something I mentioned earlier

Well we can only do so much, if a member wants to be persistent in making new accounts, mods will have to persistent in suspending them, I suppose.

[racoons > you]

*shrugs*

steven is the best example, so i used him. its nothing personal.

i still dont see why mods shouldnt delete the posts of those who are circumventing their suspensions, IF THEY COME ACROSS THEM IN THE COURSE OF OTHER DUTIES.

and yes, new accounts should be suspended/banned as a matter of principle

[*mzkandi*]

So delete spam convos that happen in threads as well? Theyre against the rules too, especially now that we have that topic in forum games.

I do see what you're saying, however, for mods unless a post warrants deletion (under extreme circumstances) they are best keep the way they are. If a member who has been suspended/banned decides he/she wants to make another account to post, instead deleting all the posts he/she makes, just resuspend/ban that persons new account, end of that. They wont be able to make many posts to begin with if they stopped as soon as they are detected. If that person wants to be persistant in keeping up the behavior all mods will have to agree in being persistent keeping these people off the forum.

[racoons > you]

i do agree that posts should only be deleted in very extreme cases... i jus thappen to view a person avoiding their suspension as just such an extreme case.

we're endanger of just going around in circles here...

all those who think that posts known to have been made by a person circumventing suspension should be deleted, when they are seen by a moderator, in addition to the suspension/banning of the account used to make the posts, say aye. all those opposed, say nay

[*incoherent*]

AYE

[*tweeak*]

AYE

[*mzkandi*]

Aye

On second that...nah

[*mipadi*]

Nay--I fully support banning the account, but I am against deleting the posts, because a) I don't like the idea of deleting posts, and b) it leaves no record of the user's infraction.

[*mzkandi*]

^true...true..

I think that may have been what I trying to get at earlier but didnt word it correctly...

Changing aye to nay.

I still support simply resuspending the suspended/banned member upon detection but against deletion of posts.

[racoons > you]

yeah, i forgot to vote.

aye

[*mona lisa*]

Forget the deletion of posts. How about their posts have to be viewd by a moderator first? Or their posting abilities are completely removed?
(For a certain given amount of time, that is.)

[*tweeak*]

Ok, forget deletion, but I don't think that's the best idea either. If you're going to do that, you may as well ban them

[Rachel]

Nay--I fully support banning the account, but I am against deleting the posts, because a) I don't like the idea of deleting posts, and b) it leaves no record of the user's infraction.

Agreed.

I fully agree with banning and what not but deleting posts is like erasing any proof of what caused the ban.

[sadolakced acid]

all in favor of simply banning the account and new IP adress of people previously IP banned, say "aye to justin's proposal" (or "nay to justin's proposal" if you want to say nay)

[*tweeak*]

AYE

[*incoherent*]

aye

[Rachel]

aye to justin's proposal ;]

[*mzkandi*]

I'm assuming this goes for resuspension of ones account as well, if so then

Aye....I like this proposal (Justin's) better =]

[Heathasm]

i like the idea of deleting someones post if they are IP banned and come back one way or another

[OneOfTheseDayz]

AYE

[*mzkandi*]

^ You can't vote if you're not on the committee, sorry.

[racoons > you]

what are we half way through voting for?

we started on justin's before a final decison had been made on the first option...