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AmesBond
post May 13 2004, 03:19 PM
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I know this debate forum is new and a rising popularity amongst you strong spirited debators, but is it riling the masses? Whatever happened to civility and etiquette? What about properly evidenced statements and arguments?
 
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post May 13 2004, 03:20 PM
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I wonder that, too.

In any heated argument, it's hard to have self-control.

But I guess I can't help it if someone starts bashing me first.
 
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post May 13 2004, 03:24 PM
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i think a lot of people are being ignorant and really biased in their arguments... this get's me mad pinch.gif lol
 
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post May 13 2004, 03:26 PM
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i dont think its getting out of hand...
 
dasturbd
post May 13 2004, 03:27 PM
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well i dont see anything wrong with debating, but I have to agree that those that come into a debate with nothing to back up their statements and simply leave statements like..."you're stupid" is uncalled for. When dealing with people's opinions it's hard not to take things personally, but you have to be mature enough to handle it and if you're not you shouldn't go into the conversation to begin with.
 
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post May 13 2004, 03:30 PM
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I am okay with this forum... I'm actually glad it was created... it gives people a chance to read other people's opinions on things... Yet, there are those who are very committed to what they believe in but, that's a good thing too. People should learn how to be more open-minded and free to new ideas and beliefs.. and I think we all here should take that into consideration... even if it isn't something you would actually believe in... Keep in mind, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and free speech... and debates allow you to be more empathic and altruistic... which make you a better person. happy.gif
 
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post May 13 2004, 03:30 PM
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No, of course there's nothing wrong with debating! Debating is good, it gets ideas across. But I'm talking about courtesy.
 
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post May 13 2004, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(dasturbd @ May 13 2004, 3:27 PM)
well i dont see anything wrong with debating, but I have to agree that those that come into a debate with nothing to back up their statements and simply leave statements like..."you're stupid" is uncalled for. When dealing with people's opinions it's hard not to take things personally, but you have to be mature enough to handle it and if you're not you shouldn't go into the conversation to begin with.

Haha, actually, that happened to me very recently in this forum... i was stupid and ignorant, and pathetic because I presented a logical argument..

But oh well.

Debating stimulates the mind and allow you to learn new things... there's nothing wrong with a few heated words here and there I guess.
 
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post May 13 2004, 03:34 PM
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You can't control how you feel towards a certain topic or what someone says.. but you can control your actions. People will just have to learn that some people have more faith in what they think... and that they're not going to be as open-minded, but I think that people should not take offense to what is said... it's just reality... This is how things are... if someone says something offensive, then so what.... and if it gets out of hand, someone on staff will be able to put an end to it. So we have nothing to worry about, as of right now.
 
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post May 13 2004, 03:37 PM
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One should debate on the basis that they understand both sides of the argument and have enough knowledge to debate for either side if necessary.
 
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post May 13 2004, 03:43 PM
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Then what's the point of having your own opinions if you're going to have enough information as to support both sides of the argument? Does this make sense?... There's something called confirmation bias... It happens to a lot of people... Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about.
 
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post May 13 2004, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(omg_melface @ May 13 2004, 3:43 PM)
Then what's the point of having your own opinions if you're going to have enough information as to support both sides of the argument? Does this make sense?... There's something called confirmation bias... It happens to a lot of people... Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Confirmation bias? Psychology? huh?

But I understand where TK's going with it.

The person that do not understand both sides of the story is that one that's most often starts to bash others. [pfft, who am i to say that] But if people choose to bring only selective thinking into the debate, it's not being very open-minded.

I just think that if you research both sides, then the argument could be more effective.
 
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post May 13 2004, 03:52 PM
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i really don`t know .. i think i`ve only posted once or twice in here .. i don`t check it much
 
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post May 13 2004, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(omg_melface @ May 13 2004, 8:43 PM)
Then what's the point of having your own opinions if you're going to have enough information as to support both sides of the argument? Does this make sense?... There's something called confirmation bias... It happens to a lot of people... Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Understanding the other side's argument doesn't mean you can't have your own opinions. Having the whole picture of the debate gives you a clearer thought on how you should argue for your opinion. It saves you saying things that aren't necessary, because you know that someone will have a perfectly legitimate argument against it. This gives you the basis in setting up an argument that the opposition will also have to think very hard about before setting up their own argument. Without understanding the other side of the argument, you are left with stupid, ignorant comments that will be laughed off by the opposition.
 
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post May 13 2004, 03:58 PM
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Yes, I suppose you're right and I know what you're saying... but... those people are not going to want to research on a topic they are opposed to... Maybe it's in fear that they'll find something that will make sense to them and then they'll feel like a complete dolt afterwards. And plus, reading a debate provides you with both sides of the argument... For example, the creation or evolution topic.
 
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post May 13 2004, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE(omg_melface @ May 13 2004, 3:58 PM)
Yes, I suppose you're right and I know what you're saying... but... those people are not going to want to research on a topic they are opposed to... Maybe it's in fear that they'll find something that will make sense to them and then they'll feel like a complete dolt afterwards. And plus, reading a debate provides you with both sides of the argument... For example, the creation or evolution topic.

You right! I did learn so much in that topic.
 
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post May 13 2004, 04:20 PM
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I understand exactly what TK means. When you are on a debate team you really don't know which side of the topic you are going to be on...so you research both sides of the topic to be prepared. They may tell you your topic is Abortion, but they don't tell you if you are pro or con on this topic until later. this way you don't make uneducated assumptions and like it was mentioned earlier, makes the other side think a little harder about a contradictory statement. At least that's how it worked when I was in high school.
 
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post May 13 2004, 04:27 PM
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well i dont see anything wrong with debating, but I have to agree that those that come into a debate with nothing to back up their statements and simply leave statements like..."you're stupid" is uncalled for. When dealing with people's opinions it's hard not to take things personally, but you have to be mature enough to handle it and if you're not you shouldn't go into the conversation to begin with.

*Nods* I completely agree.

I try not to be biased, but I usually debate about something I've already debated before...I mean, these are such common topics to debate about - everyone's heard of them.

It's true, though...you should definitely respect others' opinions and beliefs. Sometimes I can't help it, though...I can't recall how biased or judgemental I am on other threads. sad.gif
 
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post May 13 2004, 04:39 PM
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i think this is a great thing. i love it. its healthy. its ok to have different opinions, but dont forget we have to respect eachother. and also.. dont forget that these are opinions theyre typing down.

some people get offended because they forget... that debate is just opinion biggrin.gif
 
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post May 13 2004, 06:29 PM
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Outrageous is part of the fun. why do you think southpark is so popular?
 
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post May 13 2004, 06:31 PM
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This is a great forum. There's nothing wrong with people sharing there opposing views, it's all in good fun. Is there such thing as a strictly debate mod...that would be so sweet.
 
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post May 13 2004, 06:34 PM
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Heh...I suppose...I just don't want people to hate me. sad.gif
 
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post May 13 2004, 06:37 PM
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Heh...I suppose...I just don't want people to hate me.


Noones going to hate you because of your views in some forum. Relax and let loose.
 
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post May 13 2004, 06:56 PM
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This forum will hopefully not turn into one of those bashing forums because there are so many mature and kind people in here. _smile.gif
but anyways, i ahve to admit i really suck at these debates esp on createblog. I think i was OKAY in social studies this and last year when it came to debating cause luck? i dont know.
but anyways, totally agreeing with wildgriffith. Most definately, let loose. as long as no bashing. If you guys see bashing, just report it to one of the mods or admins and they'll take care of it. ^^
 
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post May 13 2004, 07:41 PM
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Well, if people reply in these threads with a closed mind and won't even bother listening to other's opinions, then that defeats the point of "debate". So, we can just hope people are willing to open up their minds and take every argument as an opinion, not an attack on the person.
 

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