Cloning, are you for it, or not? Options

[*AngelicEyz00*]

exactly!!!

ok im totally against it!!! they have no souls and so where would they go when they died??? not to heaven, not to hell, THEY ARENT REALL HUMAN BEINGS!! THEY DONT HAVE A SOUL OR A SPIRT!!! Thats how God created us, and who are we to say that we can "create" people!

wtf is up with you people saying they have no souls or spirits??

[*Kathleen*]

Yeah...they'll still have a soul... Besides, we can't base everything off of what God thinks is right or not, you know. I'm against this simply because I'm considering how that person would feel when they grow up.

[tkproduce]

They do have souls, damn it! I'm totally happy with some people's views on why they are against cloning, but other people's views are just so damn ignorant.

Plants have been cloned for hundreds of years. Farmers and gardeners have perfected different methods of doing so. Are the cloned plants any different from the original plant? Of course not, they're clones! If there was a plant producing nice big beautiful flowers, then what stops humans from cloning it so everyone can have big beautiful flowers? "Humans shouldn't play God"?, well if you ask me, we've been playing God for a hell of a long time.

Also, tk, how can it be natural cloning?  Identical twins aren't even on purpose...they occur because the cell has been split...that doesn't mean it intentionally wanted another copy of the organism...

Yea, I meant the formation of twins is a totally natural and random process, while cloning is just forcing the split.

[*Kathleen*]

Oh okay...gotcha...

Anywho - how is it not a soul? They'll still be human...I'm just not understanding where people are getting their ideas of them not having a soul.

So, what ideas do you agree on against cloning, tk?

[tkproduce]

Oh okay...gotcha...

Anywho - how is it not a soul? They'll still be human...I'm just not understanding where people are getting their ideas of them not having a soul.

So, what ideas do you agree on against cloning, tk?

I'm against cloning - believe me, that's the truth. Similarly I'm against gay couples raising a kid. It will just be unfair on the clone/kid.

However, people involved in this topic and the "abortion" topic seem to slightly contradict themselves. They argue that any life has potential and therefore should be kept alive no matter what in the abortion topic but argue that the clone with a perfectly legitimate life shouldn't be given a life because it'll be hell for them under this topic.

I'll rather be a clone living in a loving family than an orphan without any family.

[LiNHy POO]

never really thought of it... in a fun way... it will be pretty cool... but i dont think the world needs more britney spears walking around...

but my point is that im agasint it! it be boring with everyone exctely alike...

[Spirited Away]

However, people involved in this topic and the "abortion" topic seem to slightly contradict themselves. They argue that any life has potential and therefore should be kept alive no matter what in the abortion topic but argue that the clone with a perfectly legitimate life shouldn't be given a life because it'll be hell for them under this topic.

I'll rather be a clone living in a loving family than an orphan without any family.

I see what you mean about 'filtering' now... I was reading and noticed the same thing.

And I don't understand how clones wouldn't have feelings either... If they don't, they'd be a walking talking machine with... blood?

[*Kathleen*]

However, people involved in this topic and the "abortion" topic seem to slightly contradict themselves. They argue that any life has potential and therefore should be kept alive no matter what in the abortion topic but argue that the clone with a perfectly legitimate life shouldn't be given a life because it'll be hell for them under this topic.

Hmm...I think they're saying that a true life shouldn't be taken away, and on the opposite end, artificial life shouldn't exist. That's what I'm getting from it. The religious people will say you can't play God, and in these two instances, you are to them, I suppose, if you create life like that or take it away without giving it a chance to walk Earth.

[*NatiMarie*]

I don't know, I'm not really sure if there should be cloning. I don't know, maybe there are risks which can be dangerous, but I don't know. I'm confusing myself right now...I'll just stop

[tkproduce]

Let me clear things out a little. Most people under this topic are arguing against cloning because either "they have no soul" (which is a totally incorrect assumption) or "it will be tough on the clone because he won't be treated normally". The latter argument is an alright one - though I think it's still a bit off the point.

The main reason millions of dollars are pumped into the research of cloning is for medical benefits. Clones can provide missing organs or missing tissue that hostpitals are in despaerate need for. You cannot just clone an organ - you must clone the whole human, then take out the bits you want. The issues come in there. Does the clone who you've just "built" count as a human being? Is it right to develop and kill clones for the benefit of other people? I have argued that they are just the same as any other human being and the reason I have done is not to support clones, but to argue against cloning because humans should not be sacrificed for the benefit of others.

[likeachild]

i'm against cloning
but aren't there like different types of cloning.
lie therapetic, etc..?

[casssy]

cloning can be bad when it gets into the wrong peoples hands.. i mean... say ... someone starts cloning themselves then training them to start killing people.. and more clones to kill more people.. its weird.. but its something to think about

[triipinfserious]

even though cloning could "bring back the dead," i think it`s sick `nd wrong ... the original is always better (= that`s my stand

[tkproduce]

cloning can be bad when it gets into the wrong peoples hands.. i mean... say ... someone starts cloning themselves then training them to start killing people.. and more clones to kill more people.. its weird.. but its something to think about

another misconception... clones are nothing like robots - they're "normal" human beings - it's just that have the same DNA as someone else's. Training a clone to kill is exactly the same concept as training your own kid to kill. If anyone's going to do that, having a child normally (i.e. impregnating a woman) is going to be a much cheaper way of doing so.

[*Kathleen*]

on the other hand, you are playing the role of God. Humans are not perfect, and attempting to create one by hand... would probably result in more imperfect humans. also, will the child have a soul? no one knows. only theories. I'll ask God when I see him.

But it's not like they're Frankenstein's monster - they're normal humans. They're not trying to make the perfect one. They're main focus on this is to do as tk said, help for future medical studies, or if someone needs a certain organ they can't get from someone's genes other than themselves. I hope that made sense.

[casssy]

another misconception... clones are nothing like robots - they're "normal" human beings - it's just that have the same DNA as someone else's. Training a clone to kill is exactly the same concept as training your own kid to kill. If anyone's going to do that, having a child normally (i.e. impregnating a woman) is going to be a much cheaper way of doing so.

true but what if u have someone whose really powerful n strong.. so they decide to clone them to get their traits or whatever.... i dunno.. its odd

[WildGriffin]

Ya know, a clone isnt the same person. They just look the same. Nothing more.

It's like someone getting plastic surgery to look like someone else, it won't exactly change them and won't make them goto hell. I dunno what arguments you guys have against cloneing, but they're most likely for the wrong reasons.

A clone is like a twin.

A clone is no less "holy" then a test tube baby or artifical insemination.

A clone has a soul, they just look like someone else.

*Still not getting how a clone wouldn't have a soul. It's one of God's "vessals" with the same genes as someone else.

[initial-seven]

I really dont see whats wrong with cloning..

[shawty_redd]

i dunno how i feel about..i kinda need to find out more about it first...

[tkproduce]

true but what if u have someone whose really powerful n strong.. so they decide to clone them to get their traits or whatever.... i dunno.. its odd

Is someone is powerful and strong, it is more likely that he/she picked up those traits during their lifetime, rather than those traits being natural-born ones. If we clone Saddam Hussein (not that anyone would want to) and bring him up in a loving American family, it's very unlikely that he will grow into an evil dictator. Sure, he might look like him, but I think most human traits are a product of events that happen during life.

[dasturbd]

The world is so over populated now, what the heck do we need to clone for. I could see cloning for parts so to speak...like if you lose a limb you could clone an identical one so that the person wouldn't be handicapped, or internal organs as was mentioned before...but to clone people for the hell of it is something we don't need. I also wouldn't have a probelm with livestock being cloned so to keep the food cycle going...if ever the case arose that we had shortages.

Cloning may provide a physical shell, but that shell does not have a personality so to speak, so it would not be an exact replica except for the physical. You would have to learn the personality, just as we did from the time of our births

I think when people are mentioning no souls...they're trying to get across that you can clone the body, but you can't clone their mind so to speak, or what's inside(mentally).

[tkproduce]

The world is so over populated now, what the heck do we need to clone for. I could see cloning for parts so to speak...like if you lose a limb you could clone an identical one so that the person wouldn't be handicapped, or internal organs as was mentioned before...but to clone people for the hell of it is something we don't need. I also wouldn't have a probelm with livestock being cloned so to keep the food cycle going...if ever the case arose that we had shortages.

Cloning may provide a physical shell, but that shell does not have a personality so to speak, so it would not be an exact replica except for the physical. You would have to learn the personality, just as we did from the time of our births

I think when people are mentioning no souls...they're trying to get across that you can clone the body, but you can't clone their mind so to speak, or what's inside(mentally).

You can't really clone just parts of the body, I don't think - maybe you can with simple things like a limb, but not with internal organs like kidneys and hearts. So you'll have to clone the whole body and then cut off the bits you want and throw away the rest. This shouldn't be a problem if clones don't have a soul.

As a matter of fact, if one could justify that clones have no souls, then it will makes things a lot easier. If they're just a physical shell with no personality, then I doubt an argument will arise. Companies will be allowed to manufacture clones and provide hospitals with human "parts" and make lots of money as well as saving a lot of lives.

However, because clones are "created" in almost the same way as any other human being, they have potential to lead a life. They will have personalities. Is it fair to use these clones the same way we use animals for experiments? Do clones have a "right" like other humans have? Some people think it is, others don't. That's where the argument lies.

[WildGriffin]

You can't really clone just parts of the body, I don't think

You can if done properly. No need to harvest organs from an otherwise normal cloned human being.

And clones would have souls. I'm tellin ya, they're the still a human but share some genes with someone that is already alive. Still one of God's vessals, with a predetermined look.

[immersion31]

not really, cuz ur playing wit life

[WildGriffin]

not really, cuz ur playing wit life

we already play with life all the time. face lifts and "test tube babies" paved the way. can you elaborate what "playing with life" is?