are people born gay? Options

[dearfriend]

^ It's in this topic on page 3 I think.
Anyway, I choose to like whoever I want to.
So wouldn't that be considered "choosing to be gay"?

[Genuine_Essence]

i def. think that TRUE Homosexuals are born that way!!

[*RiC3xBoy*]

^ It's in this topic on page 3 I think.
Anyway, I choose to like whoever I want to.
So wouldn't that be considered "choosing to be gay"?

May I ask HOW you choose who to like? I thought it was that you like someone because there is something about them that makes you attracted to them, not just choosing

[*disco infiltrator*]

^ You should read Frankie's argument about cultural influences. I think maybe it is by choice in most instances, but that doesn't exclude chemical "imbalances" for lack of a better word.

It was actually my argument and Frankie agreed with it.

People are more or less asexual before their hormones kick in. They don't actually have attraction to anyone, they only feed off of influences from the outside world. Therefore, when a teenager goes through puberty, their hormones combobulate and come out with whatever they are attracted to. Just like a person turns out to be attracted to certain qualities of another person without being able to help it, people turn out to be attracted to a certain gender. So, it happens during puberty. It's luck of the draw, just like the gender of yourself is luck of the draw.

Anywho. I don't believe gay people are born gay. You aren't born straight, are you? Did you have the desire to kiss someone of the opposite sex when you were five? Or did you think they had cooties and you couldn't touch them? I'm a girl and I didn't really like boys. They were icky. I had no attraction until I went through puberty. Isn't that when people grow up and develop their pituitary (sp?) gland? The pituitary gland causes sexual attraction. You don't become attracted to people before you go through puberty.

Think, people.
And read my other theory. No one agrees with it? I mean, really, it seems most logical. mellow.gif That's how they explain depression, too. Imbalance of hormones.

Yea, but that's due to influence from media and their parents and whatnot. When you were six, did you ever really think "Hey that guy's pretty attractive "? No.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

If parents and media influence how a person's sexual orientation, my friend has homophobic parents, yet he still is gay. How would you explain that?

[*disco infiltrator*]

They don't. Did you even read?

Before your hormones kick in, kids think they're attracted to the opposite sex because that's how media and parents portray how it's supposed to be. Kids aren't really attracted to anyone before puberty, even though they go around pretending they're "dating" and kissing other kids at age 5. They're not really attracted to a certain person.

[*mipadi*]

They don't. Did you even read?

Before your hormones kick in, kids think they're attracted to the opposite sex because that's how media and parents portray how it's supposed to be. Kids aren't really attracted to anyone before puberty, even though they go around pretending they're "dating" and kissing other kids at age 5. They're not really attracted to a certain person.

Attraction and sexuality aren't quite the same thing. Even babies do display certain attributes of sexuality.

[*disco infiltrator*]

How?

And I know attraction and sexuality aren't the same thing, that's what I'm trying to prove..

[*mipadi*]

How?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexuality

[*disco infiltrator*]

I read through the beginning and it hasn't mentioned babies, but that babies are capable of reaching an orgasm (which has nothing to do with attraction to anyone persay, just how you rub them) and three year olds have sexual fantasies. Three-year-olds aren't babies and can easily be influenced by the media and their parents, further proving my point.

[*mipadi*]

I read through the beginning and it hasn't mentioned babies, but that babies are capable of reaching an orgasm (which has nothing to do with attraction to anyone persay, just how you rub them) and three year olds have sexual fantasies. Three-year-olds aren't babies and can easily be influenced by the media and their parents, further proving my point.

And my point is that sexuality and attraction is not something that suddenly happens at the onset of puberty--the mechanisms and foundations of it are present long before that. It is erroneous to say that prior to puberty, humans have no sexual attraction or sexuality.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

How?.

Infants tend to play with themselves. For example, male babies tend to touch themselves more as they grow more aware of their genitals.

[ParanoidAndroid]

WORD! you don't choose it, it happens.  you don't choose to be straight, ur straight cuz ur attracted to somone of the opposite sex and NOT of the same sex.  once the world can get it through their damn head, then omg, THE END OF HOMOPHOBIA!  if u take psychology u'll learn shit like this im doin it right now. 

in fact, over the weekend our teacher had us do an assignment where we had to put our sexuality away, like hide it for 24 hours. u cannot make any sexual references, show any attractivness to the opposite sex, ANYTHING.  it was hard. afterwards we learned that it's the same exact thing heterosexual people are making homosexuals do with the attempted banning of gay marriage laws and such.

lol thanks

i don't see the point in pondering into as how it happens. What are you gonna do once you prove your point? are you gonna teach homo-wannabes to be gay? Seriously, like I said... IT JUST HAPPENS...GOD MADE SERENDIPITY FOR A REASON...and saying someone is born gay is like saying this 2-month old boy thinks that 1-month old girl is hot.... you don't realize your sexuality until you're older..it's more of realization than being born gay...or more of how a person thinks and what they find attractive. Asking someone how they are born gay is like asking somoone how and why they prefer chocolate ice cream than vanilla ice cream...simple as that

[renier]

some people say that the reason that people are homosexual (at least some of them), is that they have more of one chemical in their brain, or less of a different one, and it causes it to basically...override their attraction to their opposite sex and primitive instincts for....makin babies.

i just made that up btw. sounded true enough. 

eh. people could turn gay because they were raised just by a parent of the opposite sex. like a boy whose raised by a mentally distured mother... you know, one who wants to have complete control over their sons, even when they're really old....
they either become murderers, or gay.

haha. i love making up information.

hah, thats hilarious and mind you, it sounds pretty true.
i guess its all up to what u want to believe.
I am gay. I believe... correction... I KNOW that i was born gay.
Ive liked guys since i was.... well, since i can remember.
It didnt choose to be like this[; I AM LIKE THIS.

but of course, this is like not everyone's case.
others may just CHOOSE to be since they were probably curious and liked it.
blah.
end of story.

[renier]

^ It's in this topic on page 3 I think.
Anyway, I choose to like whoever I want to.
So wouldn't that be considered "choosing to be gay"?

and no thats not choosing to be gay if everyone u like is from the same sex.

[Tribal J_Rome]

lol thanks

i don't see the point in pondering into as how it happens. What are you gonna do once you prove your point? are you gonna teach homo-wannabes to be gay? Seriously, like I said... IT JUST HAPPENS...GOD MADE SERENDIPITY FOR A REASON...and saying someone is born gay is like saying this 2-month old boy thinks that 1-month old girl is hot.... you don't realize your sexuality until you're older..it's more of realization than being born gay...or more of how a person thinks and what they find attractive. Asking someone how they are born gay is like asking somoone how and why they prefer chocolate ice cream than vanilla ice cream...simple as that

-lol np! seriously, why do people question this.

-let's just think of it this way, it's a mirror reflection of being straight. they don't have any more control of it any more than hetero's do. there are real life situations where people are like "no, i'm not gay cuz i don't wanna be" and they marry the opposite sex and have kids and stay like that for watever amount of years and all of a sudden are like "damnnit, i can't take this anymore, I'M GAY, and i'm not hiding it anymore". turns out, they just couldn't open their eyes to their own reality.

and also....

you have no right to speak against something you're not a part of.

if u think about it, it'll all pass in the years to come and decades from now this whole ordeal's gonna be in textbooks and people are gonna be like "damn, people actually hated other people cuz they were gay? watta bunch of assholes". i mean, that's exactly what happened with that whole racism era right? yah it still exists in places, but our world's changed so much from that time.

[*disco infiltrator*]

And my point is that sexuality and attraction is not something that suddenly happens at the onset of puberty--the mechanisms and foundations of it are present long before that. It is erroneous to say that prior to puberty, humans have no sexual attraction or sexuality.

Sexuality can happen anytime because of media and parental and peer influences. Attraction to a certain particular person because of the things about them that attract you starts at puberty. You can't tell me you were really attracted to one certain person before puberty. Gender is just a component of actual attraction. Just like darker hair is more attractive to me than light, males are more attractive to me than females.

[*mipadi*]

Sexuality can happen anytime because of media and parental and peer influences. Attraction to a certain particular person because of the things about them that attract you starts at puberty. You can't tell me you were really attracted to one certain person before puberty. Gender is just a component of actual attraction. Just like darker hair is more attractive to me than light, males are more attractive to me than females.

Is there anything to prove that a preference to dark hair or light hair is not hardwired at (or before) birth?

[*disco infiltrator*]

There's not, but it just seems so much more logical to me this way. I mean, I was never really ATTRACTED to someone before going through puberty. There was guys that I was like, "Yay I <3 you!" ya know? But..that wasn't actual attraction. I wanted to be like the older kids on TV. Through media influences, I thought I was supposed to like someone, so I just chose someone and went with it. I was a kid, I didn't know any better, since I hadn't felt actual attraction before. When I was a kid, I didn't care what color hair they had or what personality traits they had..it was a boy, and he would say he <3ed me too, so I said I <3ed him. It was merely doing what society said I was supposed to, as a girl.

[Olive]

babies are capable of reaching an orgasm (which has nothing to do with attraction to anyone persay, just how you rub them)

This baby is not only showing sexual affection to the subject, he's doing his own 'rubbing'.. indicating that the expression of sexuality isn't restricted by hormones.

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[dearfriend]

May I ask HOW you choose who to like? I thought it was that you like someone because there is something about them that makes you attracted to them, not just choosing

Well for me it was a little bit of both actually. I could either deny my feelings that I felt for a particular girl or I could accept them for what they are. In that way I feel like I more or less chose my attraction. But I can't deny the fact that I would have been attracted to her if I would have tried to completely ignore my emotions. Does that sound right? I'm sorry it's different in my head.

It was actually my argument and Frankie agreed with it.

Why in the world have I been thinking your name is Frankie??? It's Sammi, right? I'm sorry, I'm Linda Belle, by the way and I feel like an idiot.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

Well for me it was a little bit of both actually. I could either deny my feelings that I felt for a particular girl or I could accept them for what they are. In that way I feel like I more or less chose my attraction. But I can't deny the fact that I would have been attracted to her if I would have tried to completely ignore my emotions. Does that sound right? I'm sorry it's different in my head.

Well, you were still attracted to this particular girl, were you not? You choose to deny the fact that you like her, but you still felt attracted.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Haha, yes, I am Sammi..Frankie is a boy.

[Retrogressive]

Well, you were still attracted to this particular girl, were you not? You choose to deny the fact that you like her, but you still felt attracted.

Yes, I did. But maybe if I feel like I choose to be a certain way it's easier for me to think that there is nothing "wrong" with it. After all homosexuality is still looked at as a sin where I come from.

Haha, yes, I am Sammi..Frankie is a boy.

Sorry I'll try not to confuse names anymore.

[sikdragon]

Homosexuality is a fetish, just like any other it is learned.