stupid grammar rule., POOH. |
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 Oct 9 2005, 08:10 AM
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my teacher said to always put punctuation marks inside the quotes
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Oct 9 2005, 08:20 AM
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 xXxXxbErRyZxXxXx  Group: Member Posts: 190 Joined: Sep 2005 Member No: 235,812 |
ya, english rule is so stupid. That's why i hate it!
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Oct 12 2005, 10:37 PM
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it's utterly stupid, that's what it is.
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Oct 12 2005, 10:39 PM
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IT JUST LOOKS BETTER, OKAY?!
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Oct 12 2005, 11:18 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
and when i use sentence fragments for that reason, i get major points off.
it just looks wrong, that's what it looks like. I WANT TO KNOW WHO MADE THIS STUPID RULE SO I CAN GIVE THEM A NICE TALKING TO. |
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Oct 12 2005, 11:24 PM
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Uh. I use sentence fragments often. And I don't get marked off for them. And I'm in AP English.
... I LAUGH AT YOU. HA. <3 |
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Oct 12 2005, 11:26 PM
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heh maybe its just one of those things that are "just because" =P
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Oct 12 2005, 11:28 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
QUOTE(o0olaalaa @ Oct 12 2005, 11:26 PM) heh maybe its just one of those things that are "just because" =P  yea i don't believe in jesus either. waaaaa i hate grammar rules. which is why i love poems. no rules. well, i hate sonnets and haikus and all other structured poems, because i will put however many sylablales i want goddammit. |
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Oct 12 2005, 11:36 PM
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QUOTE(Azarel @ Oct 12 2005, 11:24 PM) Uh. I use sentence fragments often. And I don't get marked off for them. And I'm in AP English. ... I LAUGH AT YOU. HA. <3 Yeah, I'm in AP / IB and we were encouraged to for the sake of impact |
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Oct 12 2005, 11:42 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
impact?
this. rule. is. just. totally. WRONG. hmm. that's more of jolty than impacty... let's try again. English is stupid. The strange rules. The many exceptions. The utter stupidity. hey! it works! coolio. but that rule is still utterly wrong. |
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Oct 13 2005, 02:39 PM
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is was persuasion. impactive persuasion
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Oct 13 2005, 02:54 PM
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Actually, if you always follow the period period inside the quotes rule, then everything else should make sense. The reason why you don't put the exclamation point or question mark inside the quatation marks is because the line that somebody is saying might be a question or being exclaimed but not what is in the quotes.
For example Susie says: Did you hear Tom say "Andrea looks pretty today"? Susie is the one asking the question, so it should remain outside of the quatation marks. However, if Tom was asking "Andrea looks pretty today?", then the question mark would be inside the quotes. I might have just confused you more. Sorry if I did. This all makes sense to me, though. lol |
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Oct 14 2005, 10:13 PM
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That was very insightful.
I always thought it was Bob said "Lemmings". Oh well. |
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Oct 14 2005, 10:18 PM
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That's interesting. I always put everything into the quotations..
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Oct 14 2005, 10:45 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
QUOTE(Heewee @ Oct 13 2005, 2:54 PM) Actually, if you always follow the period period inside the quotes rule, then everything else should make sense. The reason why you don't put the exclamation point or question mark inside the quatation marks is because the line that somebody is saying might be a question or being exclaimed but not what is in the quotes. For example Susie says: Did you hear Tom say "Andrea looks pretty today"? Susie is the one asking the question, so it should remain outside of the quatation marks. However, if Tom was asking "Andrea looks pretty today?", then the question mark would be inside the quotes. I might have just confused you more. Sorry if I did. This all makes sense to me, though. lol i think you missunderstood my complaint... it's Bob said, "The lemmings are grey." because it's supposed to be Bob said " The lemmings are grey.". but the two periods are redundant and so you drop the second one. but when it's Bob said "lemmings". you're not droping a period, you're arbitrarily moving a period. makes no sense. QUOTE(Cake. @ Oct 14 2005, 10:13 PM) That was very insightful. I always thought it was Bob said "Lemmings". Oh well. it should be. someone stupid made the "period always inside" rule. |
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Oct 14 2005, 10:51 PM
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Sometimes it's better to kiss a grammar rule's @$$ then to make things complicated and complain about it.
And I believe the only time you do this, QUOTE Bod said "Lemmings" . When you use that as a definition for something. For example, Hai means "yes".
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Oct 18 2005, 06:48 PM
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hmmm i guess i see your confusion, but thats the way i always learned it, so i guess it doesn't seem that confusing to me
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Oct 18 2005, 06:51 PM
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 omnomnom Group: Member Posts: 1,776 Joined: Jul 2005 Member No: 180,688 |
The english language does not need this many rescrictions. However, if you don't the government will hunt you down and put you in prison for 5 years.
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Jan 10 2006, 12:27 PM
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I finally figured out the rule for quotations.
Question marks and exclamation points go outside of the quotes, unless it is a part of the quote. For example, this sentence is correct: Was the sign marked "Enter"? The sign was marked "Enter"! Of course, if it is part of the quote, it would be like this: I think he asked, "What did the sign say?" The issue of periods, of course, raises some issues, and it depends on whether the writer is using British English or American English. British English places the period logically--outside the quotation marks, unless it is part of the quote, as in: The sign was marked "Enter". American English, on the other hand, places it inside the marks: The sign was marked "Enter." Why? Apparently it dates back to old printing presses. Periods and commas were the most fragile characters in a printing press. Arranging them in such a way that a double quote mark was to the left, and a space was to the right, made them liable to being broken off or otherwise damaged. Thus, many printers starting placing the periods and commas inside the quote marks, so they were bordered by a letter and a quotation mark instead, and thus more protected.[1] It's probably more correct to use the British style--most of the world uses British English--but the American style is not wrong. I personally prefer the British style, just because it makes more sense. |
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Jan 10 2006, 03:20 PM
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I feel so knowledgable, having read "Eats, Shoots and Leaves." (American style punctuation there). (And there and here).
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Jan 10 2006, 03:21 PM
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I asked my English teacher the same damn question.
She couldn't explain to me why I couldn't write it. |
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Jan 10 2006, 05:04 PM
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 It eats you, starting with your bottom. Group: Member Posts: 1,999 Joined: Jun 2005 Member No: 160,674 |
Maybe because the person who made up the rule thought "lemmings" was a sentence.
Of course, in that case, is would be: Bob said, "Lemmings." Gah, I don't know. This is stupid. British English is better. |
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Jan 10 2006, 05:54 PM
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Did anyone actually read my post, which is the reason it was brought up from the dank depths of archived posts? No, of course not, because if you had, there wouldn't still be a question as to the rule and its origin.
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Jan 10 2006, 06:14 PM
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I read the post. It didn't tell me anything I didn't already know (hence, my mention of Eats, Shoots and Leaves, but I did indeed read it.
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Jan 10 2006, 06:16 PM
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It eats you, starting with your bottom. Group: Member Posts: 1,999 Joined: Jun 2005 Member No: 160,674 |
I think he was commenting at me.
I read it, but I think I misread it the first time. So then I reread it. |
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