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 Sep 29 2005, 09:01 PM
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 Quand j'étais jeune...  Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272  |
QUOTE(M1SSxCHR1SSY @ Sep 29 2005, 8:19 PM) Jesus is and was not homosexual. In the bible it condemns homosexuality. As people have already stated, Jesus was perfect, pure, holy, without sin. Homosexuality was condemned and Jesus being pure as he was, would not and could not be homosexual.  I have a question... Does the Bible condemn the act of homosexuality or does it condemn homosexuality? I've heard of the saying "hate the sin, but love the sinner" and thought that the sin is sodomy, and homosexuals themselves would be spared of condemnation. Yes, there are homosexuals who choose to live a life of abstinence. |
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Sep 29 2005, 09:09 PM
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 dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 29 2005, 9:01 PM) In all fairness, that's a bit hard to do; Jesus isn't mentioned in great detail many other places other than the Bible--or, at least, not in places that don't also reference the Bible to support their claims. The question can also be raised that, since Christianity is based on the Bible, what's the point of even referencing something other than the Bible? Christians don't require the Bible to be supported, so it doesn't really matter that much whether claims are supported elsewhere or not; the religion is based on a single book, the Bible. I'm not saying it makes a lot of sense or is a good argument necessarily; I'm just playing Devil's advocate for a second. ahh yes. and thus you see the point of propoganda. there is only one source on jesus. which could very well be unrealiable. If i were to write a research paper with one source, i would recieve and F. to take the word of the bible as fact is rather foolish. |
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Sep 29 2005, 09:11 PM
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 Diana =] Group: Member Posts: 1,318 Joined: Jul 2005 Member No: 174,147 |
I don't think it would closen the relationship with us and God if we knew. Also, homosexuality was condemned and Jesus was not sinnful. So no.
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Sep 29 2005, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Sep 29 2005, 10:09 PM) there is only one source on jesus. which could very well be unrealiable. If i were to write a research paper with one source, i would recieve and F. to take the word of the bible as fact is rather foolish. Right. But there is a difference between religion and a research paper: a research paper requires proof, whereas religion requires faith. Because of that, it doesn't really mean a whole lot to a Christian to point out the lack of support for the Bible, because they don't require proof, they only require faith. Is it wise to believe in something that is unsupported by fact? You and I would say no, but it's a moot point in this debate. In a way, though, it's not completely unwise. Any belief system is based on one's perception of the world around them; our own experiences are the only things we can really trust (and, some arguments go, we can't even trust them completely). A Christian could potentially point out that science requires quite a bit of faith, and they wouldn't be completely wrong about that. Truth is a hard thing to pin down. Ultimately, I'm not sure if pointing out that the Bible is unsupported, or trying to require evidence from outside the Bible, is really a crucial point of this debate. The debate doesn't seem to be so much as an attempt to conclusively prove Jesus's sexuality (it'd be hard to do, at any rate), but an attempt to find if Jesus's homosexuality would be acceptable under Christian doctrine. For that, we really only need the Bible. |
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Sep 29 2005, 09:26 PM
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 tell me more. Group: Official Member Posts: 2,798 Joined: Jul 2004 Member No: 35,640 |
no he wasnt. the bible warns against being gay so why would jesus be?
& sadolakced acid the bible is fact 
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Sep 29 2005, 09:26 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(xl0stxThoughtx @ Sep 29 2005, 9:11 PM) Also, homosexuality was condemned and Jesus was not sinnful. So no. QUOTE(one_and_only @ Sep 29 2005, 9:26 PM) no he wasnt. the bible warns against being gay so why would jesus be? Can you guys tell me where the Bible states that homosexuality is a sin or "warns against being gay"? I'm just a little confused. QUOTE(one_and_only @ Sep 29 2005, 9:26 PM) & sadolakced acid the bible is fact Fact by faith is not completely fact. If I have faith that the sky is red, does that mean the sky is red? I think it's a "fact" by default. |
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Sep 30 2005, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE(Olive @ Sep 27 2005, 2:37 AM) If you support neither side of this argument, then what are you debating? I have already stated my views on the lunacy of this topic. If you are arguing about religion itself against scientology, make a new topic to serve your ranting needs. Hey, jeanyus, scientology is a seperate religion. My argument is that Jesus being gay is of no real importance to Christianity and primarily affects Christian culture. Make a new topic? You don't know who you're talking to. You cannot use your faith to back up a logical argument because your faith isn't a valid source. |
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| *mipadi* |
Sep 30 2005, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Sep 30 2005, 11:10 AM) You cannot use your faith to back up a logical argument because your faith isn't a valid source. I'm still not sure what the point of requiring support outside of the Bible in this argument is. Christianity is based on the Bible. That is The Word. It is the Bible on which Christians base their faith. The wisdom of that can certainly be debated, but that is not the point of this thread, which doesn't seem to be so much a factual analysis of whether Jesus was gay, but whether Jesus's being gay would be congruent with (i.e. possible under) Christian beliefs. Therefore, it seems unnecessary to use anything but the Bible to prove that point, since Christian beliefs are based on material presented in the Bible. |
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Sep 30 2005, 05:03 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
because we're not asking about anything spiritual.
it's a fact. was or was not jesus gay. not whether or not it would be wrong, or anything to actually do with christian scripture. |
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Sep 30 2005, 05:12 PM
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first the da vinci code is an awesome well thought out book.
and i dont think jesus is gay, not that im christian (buddhist), but the book totally implies that jeus and Mary Magdalene had a relationship and a bloodline. |
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Sep 30 2005, 07:27 PM
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i've been going to a christian school for 11 years and i go to a christian camp. jesus cant be gay because the only thing that is "perfect" is JESUS AND GOD. jesus never sinned. cause he was part of god. being gay is a sin. if you are gay, and you dont ask god for forgiveness and become straight, you will go to hell.
i'm not being sarcastic to offend anyone that is gay, but i now my christian stuff. /edit/ and jesus and mary magdoline did not have a relationship. he was the first lady he went to after he rose from the dead. he tolled her to go tell everyone else or somthin. jesus didn't have a relationship because he knew that he was gonna be crusifyed. and he knew that if he married her, she would be a widdow. HAHAH I'M SMART AT SOMTHING BITCHES!!!! |
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Sep 30 2005, 09:47 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
^ smart at repeating what the bible says.
i've yet to see anyone argue that jesus wasn't gay without using the bible AND using the jesus was perfect/ jesus never sinned argument. |
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Sep 30 2005, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Sep 30 2005, 7:47 PM) ^ smart at repeating what the bible says. i've yet to see anyone argue that jesus wasn't gay without using the bible AND using the jesus was perfect/ jesus never sinned argument. Well its not like a bunch of guys just walked up to Jesus and asked 'wanna tap this"? |
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Sep 30 2005, 09:54 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
how can you be sure?
the bible never says that never happened. |
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Sep 30 2005, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Sep 30 2005, 9:54 PM) how can you be sure? the bible never says that never happened. Do you seriously think that Jesus was gay? |
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Sep 30 2005, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Sep 30 2005, 7:54 PM) how can you be sure? the bible never says that never happened. But the bible also never says that it did happen. How can you be sure that it did happen? |
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Oct 1 2005, 09:15 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
that's the point of the debate.
but saying that the bible says jesus was perfect and never sinned just doesn't cut it, in my opinion. |
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| *RiC3xBoy* |
Oct 1 2005, 09:29 PM
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Well I respect that but Jesus being gay is like KKK's leader's son being black, in my opinion.
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Oct 1 2005, 09:29 PM
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show me a garden thats bursting to life Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 12,303 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 115,987 |
QUOTE(RiC3xBoy @ Oct 1 2005, 9:29 PM) Well I respect that but Jesus being gay is like KKK's leader's son being black, in my opinion. It just wouldn't make sense... |
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Oct 1 2005, 09:30 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
well that's a nice opinion, but this is a debate...
come on, it can't be that hard to argue jesus wasn't gay without the whole he never sinned arguement... |
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Oct 1 2005, 11:16 PM
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 Drowning by numbers Group: Member Posts: 149 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 193,026 |
^And how do you propose Jesus was gay? By elimination and assumptions of events that did not happen? That seems hardly a debate either.
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Oct 2 2005, 12:13 AM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Oct 1 2005, 10:30 PM) well that's a nice opinion, but this is a debate... come on, it can't be that hard to argue jesus wasn't gay without the whole he never sinned arguement... But what exactly is the argument that he was gay? |
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Oct 2 2005, 06:55 AM
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ok im going to clear this up...a man who has long hair..wears white robes and shares with everyone..and in most of his pictures the only women around him is the virgin mary....the rest are all "guys" in robes....and claimed to be the son of god....does this not sound like a fruit cake to you?
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Oct 2 2005, 07:25 AM
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Drowning by numbers Group: Member Posts: 149 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 193,026 |
QUOTE(Programmer @ Oct 2 2005, 9:55 PM) ok im going to clear this up...a man who has long hair..wears white robes and shares with everyone..and in most of his pictures the only women around him is the virgin mary....the rest are all "guys" in robes....and claimed to be the son of god....does this not sound like a fruit cake to you? Another hopeless attempt at elimination which has no relevance to His sexuality. Most men at that time had long hair, wore robes and had a mother. Its a culture. What you see as "gay" today, would have been perfectly normal then. Take this into account, before you assume all men in that age, gay. And how does claiming to be God's son make him a "fruitcake"? That was not even close to a rational argument. I could simply state that you may be gay based on the fact your signiture contains photos of (assumably) yourself topless posing or making love to the camera. Jesus had some male companions, yes, don't we all. How does that make him gay? |
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Oct 2 2005, 07:32 AM
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lmao..well put...i recant my statement....well you can make whatever judgements you wan't about me. i could honestly care less. unlike your so called savior....I am still around...and to tell you the truth. people don't even have enough rational evidence to prove that jesus even exsisted except by word of mouth and a ludcris book on fairy tales called the "bible"(which is based on faith and not fact). which would render this topic completely erreivant. so screw the if he's gay part. how can you prove he even exsisted.
 
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