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 Sep 12 2005, 09:03 PM
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 M.a. x.  Group: Member Posts: 1,913 Joined: Jun 2005 Member No: 148,641  |
QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 12 2005, 9:46 PM) There is a thread about this issue already--no need to start another one about it.  theres a differ i showed you facts and showed you what the press said and this is the other topics starter post QUOTE(tweeak @ Sep 1 2005, 10:20 PM) to begin with, i'd like to point out that I do not support Bush. However, I cannot understand why people are blaming him for Katrina, just because he has troops in Iraq. It seems like a lame excuse to protest the war and find a scapegoat for the hurricane so, do you think Bush is at fault for part of the Katrina ordeal? theres not that much in common except were both talking about the Hurricane |
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| *mipadi* |
Sep 12 2005, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE(latinprep12 @ Sep 12 2005, 10:03 PM) theres a differ i showed you facts and showed you what the press said and this is the other topics starter post theres not that much in common except were both talking about the Hurricane Both of them are discussions on who is at fault. Your facts could have been included in an argument made in the other thread. |
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Sep 12 2005, 09:19 PM
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 WarPath Leader. Group: Member Posts: 668 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 216,721 |
No, all those who lives in USA, live's in a BOX and listens the same LIES everyday, the only way to see USA is from OUTSIDE not from INSIDE.
Remember that. IMO.Only. |
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| *mzkandi* |
Sep 12 2005, 09:24 PM
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Sep 12 2005, 09:58 PM
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 "my girls rock balenciaga and smoke mad marijuana" Group: Member Posts: 2,089 Joined: Dec 2004 Member No: 70,049 |
im republican [y'alls hate me now huh?] so i support mostly everything Bush decideds to do; hes the presedent so if he choses it thier must be something good coming sooner or later; not always bad!
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Sep 12 2005, 10:01 PM
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 dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
i'm sorry does cB have a mindless follower alarm cus i think you just set it off.
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Sep 12 2005, 10:10 PM
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 show me a garden thats bursting to life Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 12,303 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 115,987 |
QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Sep 12 2005, 7:58 PM) or, kristina, make a movie about bush's briliant handlign of katrina. the man will probably exagerate, and you can't take half the things he says as true, what what it will do is inspire people to research it for themselves, which is always good. yes he does inspire people..but its the exaggerating that really pisses me off. My dad complains that I exaggerate too much..and its just... makes me mad.  When it comes to him... roar. WHO THE HELL STARTED ANOTHER TOPIC?! Yesh. Click and read before. GOVERMENT and BUSH are two completely and utterly seperate things. Sry. I just wanted to write big too. |
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Sep 12 2005, 10:23 PM
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 Umm its that thing you should call me...... Group: Member Posts: 111 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 112,898 |
I don't get why everyone is blaming bush when the people that stayed in LA had about three weeks advanced notice of the hurricane and still they refused to leave. Then what happened to their escape plan. The mayor said, "Our plan worked perfectly," but I want to know what plan of theirs worked when they had to call in the national guard to come up with the escaped plan they used.
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Sep 12 2005, 10:42 PM
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 i lost weight with Mulder! Group: Official Designer Posts: 4,070 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 79,019 |
QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Sep 12 2005, 10:10 PM) roar. WHO THE HELL STARTED ANOTHER TOPIC?! Yesh. Click and read before. GOVERMENT and BUSH are two completely and utterly seperate things. Sry. I just wanted to write big too. haha. amen. i kinda avoided this topic for a while. now i see that y'all needed my words of wisdom and guidance. haha. my non-a-hole liberalness. bush cannot do everything. he could'nt have forced everyone out of new orleans and mississippi..first of all he'd be violating rights, and 2nd..it just wouldn't be possible. private citizens can bus people out. thats their own thing. they use their money. its different when it comes to government. and whether or not FIMA did not satisfactorally respond is not under Bush's control. He should have tried to...guide the FIMA guy, not that i'd trust bush to do that..but in the end, it really can't be attributed to him. none of this can be attributed to him. blame the government all you want. that doesn't mean the same thing as blaming bush. how was that? im really tired..im not sure what im saying.. |
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Sep 13 2005, 08:50 AM
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QUOTE(Levy2k6 @ Sep 12 2005, 8:50 PM) yeah.... "it is the primary responsibility of state and local governments - not the federal government - to respond." i hate ppl always blaming bush! it always starts at the local level! ITS A PYRAMID! local-state-national! anyways.. most of the reason people didn't leave was because they though it would miss them AGAIN... hmm.. anyways... even when people realized they were gonna get RAINED ON.. winds and stuff was probaly too hard to get to the busses... if u ask me.. i rather be indoors than out on the streets trying to escape. Um... my point was, the state government COULDN'T respond, because two-thirds of their emergency personnel are in Iraq, so it's the Federal government's fault for disarming the state governments. SA: The national guard is still a collection of state militias. They are still state forces. The consequences of the disaster are limited to individual states (Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama, in this case), and thus each state's militia ("national guard") is responsible for taking care of its own citizens, not the Federal government. |
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Sep 13 2005, 02:33 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/13/kat...gton/index.html
Bush takes responsibility for Federal failures. However, I still believe that most of the blame should go on the governor of Lousiana. |
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Sep 13 2005, 06:26 PM
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show me a garden thats bursting to life Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 12,303 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 115,987 |
^ YES! IT SHOULD!
That guy was shadier than slim shady himself. QUOTE(micheel (insomniac)) bush cannot do everything. he could'nt have forced everyone out of new orleans and mississippi..first of all he'd be violating rights, and 2nd..it just wouldn't be possible. private citizens can bus people out. thats their own thing. they use their money. its different when it comes to government. and whether or not FIMA did not satisfactorally respond is not under Bush's control. He should have tried to...guide the FIMA guy, not that i'd trust bush to do that..but in the end, it really can't be attributed to him. But fhidso;anfdo. Yes! You couldn't have forced those who didn't want out out.. |
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Sep 13 2005, 09:06 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
who appointed the director of FEMA?
i think, often, presidents or congressmen throw the blame on an appointed official, like, say, the director of NASA. but these people are chosen by someone. and that person must know they're appointing incompetince. the blame goes around. "He [brown] was appointed in January 2003 by President George W. Bush, after serving as Deputy FEMA Director since 2001." from the wikipedia article on it. why would bush think that brown could handle the job? the arabian horses? was it that that convinced bush brown was the best man for the job? politics. i'll bet michael brown is either a personal friend of bush's or him (or his company) donated something to bush's campaign. and that, in my opinion, makes brown and the congress that approved him, as well as bush, at fault. |
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Sep 13 2005, 09:09 PM
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show me a garden thats bursting to life Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 12,303 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 115,987 |
Ok..so the blame goes all around.
But i've heard these people on the radio blaming bush directly. It's pissing me off. I won't sit here and say hell no it's not bush's fault at all..it is to a certain extent..but then comes the pointing of the fingers at other high ranked people. god..politics... |
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| *disco infiltrator* |
Sep 15 2005, 05:34 PM
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All people deserve blame, yes. However, the mayor, governer, etc. all are in control of their own states & towns. Our president is in charge of what happens to all of us. Obviously, to those who don't live there, his mistakes are a much bigger deal.
We know everyone dropped the ball, but what the mayor, governer, etc. of Louisiana and Mississippi do doesn't affect us. I know it's a big deal, but it's a much bigger deal to make mistakes on a national scale, affecting an entire country. If Bush makes all these mistakes, who knows what he can do to mess up more than just the affected places? |
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Sep 15 2005, 10:56 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(kryogenix @ Sep 13 2005, 2:33 PM) However, I still believe that most of the blame should go on the governor of Lousiana. Why though? He didn't have adequate manpower to respond, and the levees were maintained by the Federal government, not the state government. |
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Sep 16 2005, 05:24 AM
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Sep 15 2005, 9:56 PM) Why though? He didn't have adequate manpower to respond, and the levees were maintained by the Federal government, not the state government. But he did give the Director of Homeland Security the ok to block of the city and not let the Red Cross in while not allowing people out. The last time a bunch of angry black folks mobilized, it was '92 in Watts. People in power should really rethink some of their decisions and learn from the past. |
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| *disco infiltrator* |
Sep 16 2005, 04:43 PM
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BRANDON!!
Anywho...hm, is anyone gonna read my post before this one?... Preeeetty much cancels out this current little argument. |
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Sep 16 2005, 10:59 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
governor of lousiana is a she, last time i checked.
and she has admited she should has asked for specifics, instead of general help. which is, to quote someone, like refusing to help a drowning person unless they ask for one life preserver. in fact, both the mayor of new orleans and the governor of lousiana followed federal guidelines. why were all those school buses left there, unused? FEMA refused to allow them to use them, saying they had enough buses. but theproblem was, the buses were days away, which FEMA didn't realize. the governor of lousiana had to violate a federal order in order to order those buses used, at that time it was too late. |
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Sep 17 2005, 07:17 PM
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 L!ckitySplit Group: Member Posts: 4,325 Joined: Apr 2005 Member No: 129,329 |
didnt bush already admit it was his fault? i read it in a paper today
QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Sep 12 2005, 8:04 PM) Newsflash: taken from imdb.com  If someone doens't shut this fag up, then by god I WILL! lol go Moore! |
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Sep 17 2005, 10:30 PM
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^^ ahh i can't wait to see it!!!
bah...i think it's pointless to argue about this situation now. the government is obviously handling it and there's nothing we can do about it. btw...a lot of you aren't getting that there weren't enough buses to evacuate over a million people. that's inevitable. |
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Nov 13 2005, 02:33 AM
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 Resident Jerk. Is Wade. Respond to PM's! Group: Member Posts: 344 Joined: Nov 2005 Member No: 289,510 |
QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 1 2005, 8:30 PM) No, I think meteorological systems are. Oh, and whoever the idiots were that said, "I know, let's build a city next to a river, lake, and ocean, but let's build it below sea level." However, I don't think Bush is at fault. The National Guard is a bit overextended, and this is a good reason why they should be kept at home, not sent overseas, but I think we still have the manpower to cover this sort of emergency. ^ He just stated everything for me, so I'm just going to quote it and leave it at that. Smart fellow. |
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| *tweeak* |
Nov 13 2005, 02:35 AM
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This topic is still alive? Wow. Yes, Michael is smart indeed.
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| *disco infiltrator* |
Nov 13 2005, 03:40 AM
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Elongate topic lives! It's good to do. Don't let 'em die, no no no! Death is bad.
Bien sur, Michael is quite smart. He's in college. Duh. 
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| *mipadi* |
Nov 13 2005, 03:46 AM
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QUOTE(disco infiltrator @ Nov 13 2005, 3:40 AM) Bien sur, Michael is quite smart. He's in college. Duh. Give me some credit. I was smarter when I was in high school. |
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