is bush at fault? Options

[technicolour]

^ I was just about to say that.

How exactly is it just Bush's fault? FEMA, National Guard..and whoever else is in charge of the relief efforts.

[Mulder]

^ They gotta get everyone out. They're in the process of thinking on where to put people, and how to organize and such.
Oh but haven't you heard? The goverment is supposed to be controlling the weather now.

haha. how can someone actually blame Bush for the weather? they can blame him for how hes handling the situation, except hes not doing that bad of a job so far. i live in houston. all the buses from new orleans are coming here. new kids are coming to our schools. we've already overfilled the astrodome, and so we're running out of places. thats not bush's fault. there really isnt any place for those people. we already had to turn down a few buses of people.

and im a liberal.

[Ington]

exactly.  You cannot blame Bush for people in the ghetto who insist on being violent and shooting people.  He didn't tell them to do that.  bush didn't sit on tv and say, If there is ever a crisis, please, shoot eachother and the police, steal everything you can get your hands on.  Thats just f**ked up people.  The really stupid thing is these people are clinging onto these material things, when they don't know if they are going to make it through the week.  Its like, what good is a pair of nikes going to do you when you have no food?  So you can stop trying to blame bush for that one.  And you also can't blame Bush for global warming, because global warming began before he was born.  Its a problem we've had for a very long time, and at this rate, we are probably going to keep having it becuase no one seems to know what to do about it.  Watch the Day after Tomorrow.  Yes, the events are extreme, but its all based on the very realy effects of global warming.  Bush didn't start the earth, he didn't start abising resources, so he can;t be blamed.  He is just another product of society.  We all are.  So many of us drive instead of walk.  So this must be your fault.  Whatever.  This could have happened to anyone.  But since it happened here, now its Bush' fault.  I dont support or not support Bush, I don't care, but I do not beleive in bestowing blame where it is not deserved.  And tell me something, since everyone knew about this hurricane over a week before it hit New Orleans, why didn't they get themselves out??!  The people that live there should know better than anyone the kind of damage a hurricane could cause. Many stayed until the day beofre, or even hours before.  Besides, if you saw the footage, since the hurricane had weakened, in theory they all would have survived, but the levy broke and flooded everything.  If that levy hadn't broken, this wouldn't even be an issue.  But who could know the levy would brake.  Who could know the water would start rising.  the thing about natural disasters is that they are unpredicatble.  We can try, but its weather.  Its not going to do what we want it to do.  Things don't always hold up to it the way we wish.  What next?  Are we going to be blaming bush for Tornados that ravage cities?  For not evactuating 150,000 people 3 mnutes before the thing gets there?  Give me a break.

You are my hero.

[coconutter]

This is too much. This is not right. They gave aid faster to the tsanami people than people in our own country

Well, the government is crazy.

The people that live there should know better than anyone the kind of damage a hurricane could cause. Many stayed until the day beofre, or even hours before.

You don't understand, these people are HOMELESS (some are the others are just dumb and I half agree) but more than half the people there are homeless, they have no car no where to go so they had to though it out.

[Mulder]

^ok seriously, we can only do so much. people are going to die. have you seen what its like in lousiana? its like in somalia. they cant give them food separately, or else people will be trampled. in somalia, you cant go and deliver food in an unarmed car, because you wont come out alive. its the same thing here. people are starving. theres slime coming down the walls. and everyones sick, so we cant just throw them anywhere. theres no room. everyones going to houston, and even though houstons a pretty big city, its not thatbig. hospitals cant take them...


what exactly do you want bush, or anyone to do?

[coconutter]

Bush needs to give more than 16 billion because he spends 6 billion in iraq for a useless war. I want someone to get the damn busses in and start sending them to shelters all around the US. USE YOUR HEAD THERES A MILLION WAYS TO HELP.

[Mulder]

but those people wait for buses for 20 hours, then it takes about 8 hrs to get to Houston.
then a few more hours to get them somewhere..in Houston. you want to make them travel, without food, water, clothes, or bathrooms, for longer than that?

we could probably get some to dallas. but right now a lot of people are taking in lousianans in their homes.

those buses cant go anywhere, if theres no room for them.

and btw, most of the furniture stores, churches and synagogues, etc. are letting them sleep there. the astrodome has 15000 people in it. theyre putting people in Reliant park now and...the other one that i cant remember.

sheesh. they're doing the best they can.


and i dont even like bush!

[technicolour]

Bush needs to give more than 16 billion because he spends 6 billion in iraq for a useless war.  I want someone to get the damn busses in and start sending them to shelters all around the US. USE YOUR HEAD THERES A MILLION WAYS TO HELP.

Start naming. I expect a million. Or somewhere in that ballpark.

Amen Michelle. They're doing the best they can. So STOP THE BITCHING cause it definately ISNT helping.

[sadolakced acid]

well, we have to consider that the national guard is partially deployed in iraq, cutting the number of troops that can be quickly mobilized.

not too sure how much a difference that makes.

[technicolour]

^ no offense, but I really dont think it'd make much difference

[coconutter]

They have more options but they're so dumb they're not making them like

Sending in all the nearest busses and take them to the buildings that are offering shelter churchs schools etc...

[Mulder]

^did you read anything i said? come over to houston. tell me if you see any place to put those people.

i live there. i know whats going on here. you dont.

and btw, most of the furniture stores, churches and synagogues, etc. are letting them sleep there. the astrodome has 15000 people in it. theyre putting people in Reliant park now and...the other one that i cant remember.

[Ington]

Insomniac, you sound like a smart person. You're one of the few reality-conscious liberals I know. I just wanted to say.

Coconutter, you don't.

[sadolakced acid]

^ no offense, but I really dont think it'd make much difference

well, it'd make a difference in how many troops are ready to deploy immediatley...

[Mulder]

Insomniac, you sound like a smart person. You're one of the few reality-conscious liberals I know. I just wanted to say.

Coconutter, you don't.

aww thanks!

[coconutter]

Well actually I don't live very close to the affected areas I've just been listening to my democrat family who just hates bush. I'm not just talking about houston there are other places but the best bet it to really just get portajons and like fix the roof sounds okay. I guess I'm not good at politics 0.o

[Mulder]

well, how can you talk about the situation in houston, if you dont know about it.

because houston is the city thats taking in the most people. we've raised sooo much money, we've opened up all the spaces we can...

and are you talking about the roof of the Superdome?
all of the people are so sick that they cant send people there to fix it. its like a toxic waste dump.

its horrible....

[Spirited Away]

^did you read anything i said? come over to houston. tell me if you see any place to put those people.

i live there. i know whats going on here. you dont.

<3 did you listen to Atom Smasher and Maria Todd this morning on 104? people called in to donate COMPUTERS and PRINTERS to folks in the Astrodome and Atom said "I LOVE HOUSTON", and I heartily agree.


< another Houstonian

c0cONuTTeR, we are doing everything we can in these times to help people and this is how things should be. Even Bill Clinton, a DEMOCRAT (i'm emphasizing this because you mentioned your democrat family), is doing his part in raising funds for the relief effort and isn't complaining about the slow response. YES, I AGREE THE RESPONSE TO THIS CATASTROPHE IS SLOW, but it's hardly Bush's fault. Maybe you should look into the politics of this a little before playing the blame game because you're pretty bad at it. Again though, this is NOT yet the time for blamming, do it after these victims are safe and settled.

[technicolour]

Well actually I don't live very close to the affected areas I've just been listening to my democrat family who just hates bush.  I'm not just talking about houston there are other places but the best bet it to really just get portajons and like fix the roof sounds okay.  I guess I'm not good at politics 0.o

You're getting a fairly biased view then. Watch the news. Make the judgements for yourself.

Michelle is the smartest and least a-hole liberal I know.


Justin: It does matter on that..but..how many would there be?

[coconutter]

<3 did you listen to Atom Smasher and Maria Todd this morning on 104? people called in to donate COMPUTERS and PRINTERS to folks in the Astrodome and Atom said "I LOVE HOUSTON", and I heartily agree.
< another Houstonian

c0cONuTTeR, we are doing everything we can in these times to help people and this is how things should be. Even Bill Clinton, a DEMOCRAT (i'm emphasizing this because you mentioned your democrat family), is doing his part in raising funds for the relief effort and isn't complaining about the slow response. YES, I AGREE THE RESPONSE TO THIS CATASTROPHE IS SLOW, but it's hardly Bush's fault. Maybe you should look into the politics of this a little before playing the blame game because you're pretty bad at it. Again though, this is NOT yet the time for blamming, do it after these victims are safe and settled.

Well said. I never really meant to blame it on bush actually, this whole thing is so awful >.<

[Mulder]

im getting compliments for my non-a-hole-ness! yay! [/spam]

[sadolakced acid]

Justin: It does matter on that..but..how many would there be?

well, when hurricane andrew hit, it was quite like this, and thursday morning they knew by nightfall it would be complete anarchy, every person for them selves, whoever has the biggest gun wins. so that morning they had a press conferece saying "we're going to lose control of the area by nightfall, and there will be many, many more casualties."

in one hour 20000 some (not completely sure about the number, but it was a lot, and i think i twas 20000, just not sure.) troops were already deployed, with equipement, and by night they were serving hot meal dinners.

i mean, sure there are nat. guard troops home, but they're not all close to the disaster area, a lot of equipment like half ton trucks and humvees are in iraq, a lot of troops are on home leave after an iraqi tour, and thus aren't really prepared to be called up.

in fact, i think the only nat. guard that has been sent was guardsmen due to be shipped out to iraq.

[*xcaitlinx*]

I watched the news throughout the day and i'm somewhat happier at the progress the government's been making. (even though it's pretty damn slow) i feel bad for all of hte people that have to spend months in the astrodome...i don't know hwat i'd do if i was in that situation.

[technicolour]

well, when hurricane andrew hit,  it was quite like this, and thursday morning they knew by nightfall it would be complete anarchy, every person for them selves, whoever has the biggest gun wins.  so that morning they had a press conferece saying "we're going to lose control of the area by nightfall, and there will be many, many more casualties."

in one hour 20000 some (not completely sure about the number, but it was a lot, and i think i twas 20000, just not sure.) troops were already deployed, with equipement, and by night they were serving hot meal dinners.

i mean, sure there are nat. guard troops home, but they're not all close to the disaster area,  a lot of equipment like half ton trucks and humvees are in iraq, a lot of troops are on home leave after an iraqi tour, and thus aren't really prepared to be called up.

in fact, i think the only nat. guard that has been sent was guardsmen due to be shipped out to iraq.

Huh. Did not know this...

It would definately speed things up a bit.

caytexo- your last post...well..it made you seem somewhat arrogant...but eh -shrug-

[*xcaitlinx*]

caytexo- your last post...well..it made you seem somewhat arrogant...but eh      -shrug-

how so?