school uniforms Options

[sadolakced acid]

yes, but someone who wear a uniform learns how to make choices when wearing regular clothes outside of school, for formal functions. if someone were to wear exclusively uniforms set by someone else- they would never learn how to dress properly.

[*mipadi*]

if someone were to wear exclusively uniforms set by someone else- they would never learn how to dress properly.

Why not?

[mai_z]

Because they would be mindlessly following someone else's instructions, rather than learning to decide what is right for themselves.

[Spirited Away]

Because they would be mindlessly following someone else's instructions, rather than learning to decide what is right for themselves.

Are you saying that kids who grew up with uniforms do this? Do you have any evidence of this in the States? And Mr. Acid, are you saying that private school kids, or those who wear uniforms, don't know how to dress outside of school? Are you sure?

[*mipadi*]

Because they would be mindlessly following someone else's instructions, rather than learning to decide what is right for themselves.

I'm not sure what this alludes to. Students have a chance to make decisions about dress for themselves in other areas; uniforms, however, can help to show them what is expected of them. This is how learning works. You can't expect a child to be taught the values of a society if you always let them do whatever they feel like.

[*disco infiltrator*]

However, kids also learn from making mistakes. If they wear something inappropriate and get told not to, they will know not to. If uniforms are implemented, they will only learn what is right and not have examples of any wrong.

[*mipadi*]

However, kids also learn from making mistakes. If they wear something inappropriate and get told not to, they will know not to. If uniforms are implemented, they will only learn what is right and not have examples of any wrong.

Don't the examples of wrong come from what they are not supposed to wear, or punishment if they don't follow the guidelines?

[sadolakced acid]

^ no, because you cannot merely be told touching the stove will hurt for you to always avoid touching it. you have to feel the pain by your own doing.

likewise, if one never thinks what they're wearing is right when in reality it is wrong, they will not learn.

so when they step out of the defined right-wrong world of a uniform, they must then begin to learn, as opposed to thier peers who have already learned.

[*mipadi*]

You're once again applying the learning of things like skills or world knowledge to that of societal values.

[sadolakced acid]

^

and yet again i ask you why they should be considered different

[*mipadi*]

Because, as I said before, it's different content--it's learned in a different way. Not everything that you learn can be taught the same way.

[Spirited Away]

^ no, because you cannot merely be told touching the stove will hurt for you to always avoid touching it.  you have to feel the pain by your own doing.

likewise, if one never thinks what they're wearing is right when in reality it is wrong, they will not learn.

so when they step out of the defined right-wrong world of a uniform, they must then begin to learn, as opposed to thier peers who have already learned.

... there's such a thing as going to the mall and/or parties... they'll know what to wear. Wearing uniforms doesn't mean your fashion sense is completely destroyed.

I still don't understand how anyone can say that by wearing uniforms kids are not going to know how to dress themselves. This is getting ridiculous.

[*disco infiltrator*]

I'm not saying that. I think both ways are equally as helpful in a person's life. Both have their good points and it all evens out.

All I said was it's easier to learn from mistakes. In Math, when you do a problem incorrectly, someone tells you it's wrong and you correct it. By never doing it wrong, you won't know what could be wrong. In the future, you will remember what exact thing you did wrong to come up with the wrong answer.

[ParanoidAndroid]

I don't like school uniforms

If you think about it, if public schools get unforms, either parents pay for it, or it will add for taxes... i'd rather pay none

[*disco infiltrator*]

^ Please at least skim through the thread and read the last few posts and talk about things that are being brought up now, not things previously brought up.

[sadolakced acid]

Because, as I said before, it's different content--it's learned in a different way. Not everything that you learn can be taught the same way.

you've asserted they're different- can you prove it?

math and english have different content, yet the same rules apply about learning.

... there's such a thing as going to the mall and/or parties... they'll know what to wear. Wearing uniforms doesn't mean your fashion sense is completely destroyed.

I still don't understand how anyone can say that by wearing uniforms kids are not going to know how to dress themselves. This is getting ridiculous.

but wearing uniforms doens't teach any fashion sense, which michael was trying to say.

[Spirited Away]

but wearing uniforms doens't teach any fashion sense, which michael was trying to say.

and i was saying that you don't wear uniforms all the time. uniform=school, non-uniform=not in school. Goodness, we don't go to school 24/7. there's time to learn about fashion outside of school. plus, there's no evidence of kids who wear uniform not knowing how to dress properly outside of school. is that something you guys made up?

[*disco infiltrator*]

Heyyyyyy don't say guys. I am equal on the issue. I see the good in both. I just personally like non-uniforms better since I like fashion, but I wouldn't be freaking out if I had to wear uniforms.

[*mipadi*]

you've asserted they're different- can you prove it? 

math and english have different content, yet the same rules apply about learning. 

Well, I'm not a psychologist, and I don't have my psychology textbook handy; any brief study of pyschology will show you that there are different methods to learning.

[Spirited Away]

Heyyyyyy don't say guys. I am equal on the issue. I see the good in both. I just personally like non-uniforms better since I like fashion, but I wouldn't be freaking out if I had to wear uniforms.

Ohhh. haha. well guys

Oh and I'd like to refute the statement that wearing uniforms do not teach fashion or give students the ability to learn different styles of clothes.

For example girls, like moi, find that skirts aren't really the thing for them and prefer pants. I remember wearing nothing but pants outside of school, with the exception of special occasions, because I got tired of skirts. I found that pants are more comfortable. On the other hand, my cousin, who's about my age, found that she loved skirts. I made fun of her for wearing skirts all the time and she made fun of me for being a tomboy. Either way, we each found our unique tastes in clothes just fine and we retain our individuality.

Uniforms in school do nothing to harm a student's creativity, fashion sense, or 'individuality'.

[sadolakced acid]

^

ahh, but you learned that from your non-uniform wearing time.

the actual wearing of the uniforms wasn't what taught you that.

[ApocalypseAelis]

So...that means you can still have a good fashion sense with uniforms at school...

I think what's she's saying is that even with wearing uniforms at school, we still have time outside of school to express ourselves through clothing. It shouldn't harm our sense of what to wear, which is what she was trying to say through her example...


I hope I didn't get that wrong.

[*mipadi*]

^

ahh, but you learned that from your non-uniform wearing time.

the actual wearing of the uniforms wasn't what taught you that.

That's her point--that wearing uniforms did not hinder her ability to develop her own fashion sense. She isn't saying that wearing uniforms did not teach her what is expected of her in terms of dress.

[Spirited Away]

^ and ^x2 got it . Thanks guys. *frowns at Mr. Acid*.

it's too early in the morning to be frowning at people.

[sadolakced acid]

POOOOH.

i know. i'm saying that uniforms don't do anything to teach about fashion sense- so that can't be given as a reason that they should be used.

and ease of wardrobe choices every day shouldn't be a reason either- because that's using not teaching something as a reason.