Harry Potter? From Satan?!?, Harry Potter is it moral? Options

[*disco infiltrator*]

Um, just saying, I did open this topic, and I dont think you can expect ppl to read the last 127 entries in order to post their opinion about it.... and there is no was in the world that Harry potter has sold more books than the bible, there isnt any possible way to prove that!!!! and it definitely isnt true.

And in those past religions b4 christianity, they were all founded around some sort of supreme being... you can check, unless they were atheists... which isnt a religion, its just the lack of a religion. Um, and they did have God... and god protects all his creatures.... but we still have free will and when you start to enter into Wicca and such, you arent allowing the devil to enter your soul and be possessed, but you are helping him, and he is helping you... by giving you those powers... It isn't possession, its your choice to do what the devil wants you to, whereas possession you have no control over, Hence the person above said that the devil uses you, he does not possess you.

Do you know ANYTHING about Wicca?

Wic·ca ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wk)
n.
A polytheistic Neo-Pagan nature religion inspired by various pre-Christian western European beliefs, whose central deity is a mother goddess and which includes the use of herbal magic and benign witchcraft.

WICCANS BELIEVE IN A DEITY.

de·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-t, d-)
n. pl. de·i·ties
A god or goddess.

AND THEY USE HERBAL MAGIC. And I didn't know what benign meant, so I'll define for those of us like myself..

be·nign ( P ) Pronunciation Key (b-nn)
adj.
Of a kind and gentle disposition.
Showing gentleness and mildness. See Synonyms at kind1.
Tending to exert a beneficial influence; favorable: a policy with benign consequences for the economy. See Synonyms at favorable.
Having little or no detrimental effect; harmless: a chemical additive that is environmentally benign.
Medicine. Of no danger to health; not recurrent or progressive; not malignant: a benign tumor.


HOW IN THE WORLD IS THAT SATANIST?! They don't use Satan, they use a DEITY! A GOD!

They're animals. Ok, we're talking about HUMANS, not animals.


My religion says that witchcraft is wrong. Interpert it however way you want, but it is wrong, in my opinion/views/whatever you wanna call it.

Yes, but animals were here before we were. They were the highest being.

Well, why do YOU PERSONALLY think it's wrong? Just because the Bible says so? That's not a reason..what makes it wrong to YOU?

[elaboratedream]

my religion says that all forms of witchcraft are wrong, but I do know that wiccans believe in their powers coming from God (or gods). They don't worship Satan.
And I think it's crazy that people think that Harry Potter is Satanic. It's meant to entertain people with the storyline and inspire their imagination... It doesn't promote witchcraft.

[sadolakced acid]

so Kristina, if your religion changes, do your beliefs change too?

for example, if you were catholic, and believed that homosexuality was evil and wrong, but then the catholic church changed it position, would your beliefs change?

[technicolour]

Im not Catholic. But no, I follow the Bible, not what the Church says.
The Catholic church is too shifty anyways.

[Spirited Away]

Oh goodness, CHILDREN, FOR THE LAST TIME:

HARRY POTTER's magic=imagination and =/= (NOT EQUAL TO) real witchcraft!!!

Um, just saying, I did open this topic, and I dont think you can expect ppl to read the last 127 entries in order to post their opinion about it....

Then they should NOT post because it would be AGAINST THE RULES! Since you're saying that I shouldn't expect people to read the whole thing, I'm pretty sure you haven't read the rules. To be realistic, what's expected is for people to make AN EFFORT to not repeat arguments like people are doing now in this thread.

And in those past religions b4 christianity, they were all founded around some sort of supreme being... you can check, unless they were atheists... which isnt a religion, its just the lack of a religion. Um, and they did have God... and god protects all his creatures.... but we still have free will and when you start to enter into Wicca and such, you arent allowing the devil to enter your soul and be possessed, but you are helping him, and he is helping you... by giving you those powers... It isn't possession, its your choice to do what the devil wants you to, whereas possession you have no control over, Hence the person above said that the devil uses you, he does not possess you.

What the heck are you talking about? Hinduism, Paganism BOTH came LONG before Christianity as they were among the world's first religions, and was NOT founded because of ONE God, but many gods. What's your response now?

And how is what you're saying related to HP? That Satan must have given Harry his widzard powers and now all the people who read/watched HP must be under the Devil's influence? Get real.

[mai_z]

So there's witchcraft BIG DEAL. If I believed and copied everything I read, I would be everything from a malnutritioned indian boy stuck on a lifeboat to a fat tabby cat named Garfield; and the whole multiple personality thing doesn't work for me. Other than the presence of witchcraft, there isn't much controversial stuff in there, and there are some good moral stories in there. Satan isn't in the book, and if you let the book influence you in that way, Satan's probably been on your mind already for a very long time.

[sadolakced acid]

So there's witchcraft BIG DEAL. If I believed and copied everything I read, I would be everything from a malnutritioned indian boy stuck on a lifeboat to a fat tabby cat named Garfield; and the whole multiple personality thing doesn't work for me. Other than the presence of witchcraft, there isn't much controversial stuff in there, and there are some good moral stories in there. Satan isn't in the book, and if you let the book influence you in that way, Satan's probably been on your  mind already for a very long time.

richard parker won't eat you if you're careful. and bannanas do float.

i think to define if harry potter is satanic, we must first define, to the point of no doubt, what is satanic.


2+2=5
i love big brother

[zepfel]

americans are stupid. there is none of this in britain.

santa is f**kin magic, and he represents many people's christmas. whilst i appreciate that this is not a strictly christian view of xmas, im sure it is vastly the most popular one.

and anyhow, people in other religions i know of still celebrate xmas, even if not religiously. they dont stop their kids from enjoying it.

by doing things such as stopping their children from reading harry potter, parents are forcing their children into their own religion. perhaps this would not work with a 5 year old (who in fairness would be impressive if they could get through however many thousand pages!). i believe that the parents should explain their position to the child and allow the child to make a decision.

[*RockizLife*]

americans are stupid. there is none of this in britain.

santa is f**kin magic, and he represents many people's christmas. whilst i appreciate that this is not a strictly christian view of xmas, im sure it is vastly the most popular one.

and anyhow, people in other religions i know of still celebrate xmas, even if not religiously. they dont stop their kids from enjoying it.

by doing things such as stopping their children from reading harry potter, parents are forcing their children into their own religion. perhaps this would not work with a 5 year old (who in fairness would be impressive if they could get through however many thousand pages!). i believe that the parents should explain their position to the child and allow the child to make a decision.

Ok, I must reply to this idiot. On my bad list from the first sentence. Well you know what? I think your accent is stupid! lol

*ahem* Anyway, where in the world did Christmas come from? And sense when did forcing kids not to read harry potter have anything to do with forcing kids into a religion? HP isn't a religion. Now, that's a little close minded of the parents, I'll give you that but the point you're attempting to make is pointless. I do agree with your solution though. I think that should be the case in most thing with the exception of issues that will harm the child. Things like drugs, sex, and the speed limit, lol

[cutelilmonkie930]

voldemort is the fourth of the trinity.  you shall burn in hell if you say otherwise.

witches must burn!

haha...fourth of trinity...trinity means three...

[Spirited Away]

americans are stupid. there is none of this in britain.

What the heck? What does this have to do with Americans being stupid? The majority of those who replied in earnest that Harry Potter is not Satanic (or anywhere close to it) are Americans. You like to squeeze all Americans on the same boat don't you?

You know what's stupid? Irrelavancy.

haha...fourth of trinity...trinity means three...

Thus proving his sarcasm.

[zepfel]

Ok, I must reply to this idiot. On my bad list from the first sentence. Well you know what? I think your accent is stupid! lol

*ahem* Anyway, where in the world did Christmas come from? And sense when did forcing kids not to read harry potter have anything to do with forcing kids into a religion? HP isn't a religion. Now, that's a little close minded of the parents, I'll give you that but the point you're attempting to make is pointless. I do agree with your solution though. I think that should be the case in most thing with the exception of issues that will harm the child. Things like drugs, sex, and the speed limit, lol

im sorry you couldnt see the funny side of that opening sentence.

and, whilst im sure you are a very intelligent american, you did fail to recognise that i said "santa is magic." now, excuse me if i'm wrong, but so is harry potter. this was a parallel i was using, i would imagine that a number of those christians who ban harry potter do not ban santa.

forcing kids not to read harry potter because of it's non-christian morals seems to me as if the parents are forcing their kids into christianity and stopping them from enjoying things more relaxed christians, or non-religious families would. is that a bit too confusing?

i do not think that a parent should stop their child from experimenting with drugs or sex, i think that they should however, give a child a full education on the matters. if you've heard of steiner schools, you will realise my viewpoint.

oh, and i have a lovely accent. it's a midlands, mixed with london. there isn't a "british accent" because within britain you have Cornwall, Wales, London, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Scotland, Ireland, The Shires, and more. Plus each of these have their own distinct branches. if you were to compare a liverpudlian with an irish with a cornish, i'm sure anybody (certainly english speakers) could tell the difference.

[Spirited Away]

im sorry you couldnt see the funny side of that opening sentence.

and, whilst im sure you are a very intelligent american, you did fail to recognise that i said "santa is magic." now, excuse me if i'm wrong, but so is harry potter. this was a parallel i was using, i would imagine that a number of those christians who ban harry potter do not ban santa.

I'm sorry you think it's funny to bash Americans every chance you get, but it does irrate a few Americans who don't think it's fair to be the butt of bad 'jokes' because people love to group them with the mainstream.

And you failed to recognize that I didn't say anything about your parallel because I agree with it. You misunderstand. My problem with you isn't your argument, it's your anti-American 'sense of humor'.

[sadolakced acid]

haha...fourth of trinity...trinity means three...

HERETIC!!!

DO NOT QUESTION THE CHURCH!!! YOU SHALL BURN!

:: sets about planting a stake ::

[Spirited Away]

^ you wanna borrow my claws instead? it's a lot more messy and... fun.

[gotblog4me?]

Oh goodness, CHILDREN, FOR THE LAST TIME:

HARRY POTTER's magic=imagination and =/= (NOT EQUAL TO) real witchcraft!!!
Then they should NOT post because it would be AGAINST THE RULES! Since you're saying that I shouldn't expect people to read the whole thing, I'm pretty sure you haven't read the rules. To be realistic, what's expected is for people to make AN EFFORT to not repeat arguments like people are doing now in this thread.
What the heck are you talking about? Hinduism, Paganism BOTH came LONG before Christianity as they were among the world's first religions, and was NOT founded because of ONE God, but many gods. What's your response now?

And how is what you're saying related to HP? That Satan must have given Harry his widzard powers and now all the people who read/watched HP must be under the Devil's influence? Get real.

OK, first of all, i never said it had to be one god, the point is they all believed in A god, whether it be one or many.... and second I like Harry Potter, I'm all for it, Ilove it, Im a HUGE FAN!!! I finished the 6th book in a day! I'm looking for other ppls opinions.

For whoever said that catholics think homosexuality and such is evil and wrong.... not true, we dont think of Homsexuals as evil... or wrong, Personally, I think its something thatr cant be helped, however, we do believe that having homosexual sex is wrong, other wise both genders would have been able to concieve children.... it doesnt make sense otherwise.

And finally, It is true that I dont know alot about Wicca, however... My religion teaches that witchcraft is wrong, inside a fantasy I could care less... it doesnt really matter... My religion teaches that it is the only true religion... not to say others who have a different religion are to go to hell (if you believe in hell) but that through our founder is the only way to get to heaven (if you believe in heaven) henceforth, if somone involved in a cult, or wicca, w/e. lives a decent and moral life, without knowing what they are doing is immoral (in my opinion) can still get to heaven. However, THis is technically not an opinion, but that is a different topic.

Just to make it clear: I DONT THINK HARRY POTTER IS SATANIC!
but I do believe that wicca and any other form of witchcraft is immoral, they say they get their power from "god" but I don't believe that, personally I dont blame them for believeing in what they do believe in, we all must have some sort of skepticism of our religion, even I do, and must take a "leap of faith" in believing it. All religions seem iffy to me... but mine appears to make the most sense, in my opinion.

Do you know ANYTHING about Wicca?
Wic·ca ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wk)
n.
A polytheistic Neo-Pagan nature religion inspired by various pre-Christian western European beliefs, whose central deity is a mother goddess and which includes the use of herbal magic and benign witchcraft.
WICCANS BELIEVE IN A DEITY.
de·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-t, d-)
n. pl. de·i·ties
A god or goddess.
AND THEY USE HERBAL MAGIC. And I didn't know what benign meant, so I'll define for those of us like myself..
be·nign ( P ) Pronunciation Key (b-nn)
adj.
Of a kind and gentle disposition.
Showing gentleness and mildness. See Synonyms at kind1.
Tending to exert a beneficial influence; favorable: a policy with benign consequences for the economy. See Synonyms at favorable.
Having little or no detrimental effect; harmless: a chemical additive that is environmentally benign.
Medicine. Of no danger to health; not recurrent or progressive; not malignant: a benign tumor.
HOW IN THE WORLD IS THAT SATANIST?! They don't use Satan, they use a DEITY! A GOD!

I apologize, I didn't mean to say that Wiccans (or whatever you might call them) are satanic, I know I DID say this, I'm not denying it, but I apologize for doing so. I do believe that it is still wrong though. However, there are satanist religions out there who do use the help of the devil to do magic, whether they believe otherwise or not, now Wicca may just be some excellent study of herbs that turned into a religion, I dont know, and once again, I'm sorry for accusing them, but there are satanist religions out there.

Lets not get hostile everyone.... keep cheery.

Americans aren't idiots but Australians ARE!!! (jk, totally random <<<)

[zepfel]

I'm sorry you think it's funny to bash Americans every chance you get, but it does irrate a few Americans who don't think it's fair to be the butt of bad 'jokes' because people love to group them with the mainstream.

And you failed to recognize that I didn't say anything about your parallel because I agree with it. You misunderstand. My problem with you isn't your argument, it's your anti-American 'sense of humor'.

i wasn't actually referring to your comments, if you'll look at the quote i pulled up.

whilst i think that you're overreacting, i will apologise for my "anti-american" comments. i do have to point out though, that when someone says that all americans are stupid you shouldn't take them seriously. it's like if i were to say that all irish people are drunks or all frenchmen are snobs, all british are posh, all italians are sexy, it's not true, and not supposed to be taken for true, it's just reinforcing a stereotype.

i fully acknoledge that some of the world's great geniuses came from america.

[sadolakced acid]

harry potter is satanic.

it teaches children to question authority and do what's right, contrary to what the church want you to do, which is blindly follow authority.

[gotblog4me?]

harry potter is satanic.

it teaches children to question authority and do what's right, contrary to what the church want you to do, which is blindly follow authority.

The church doesn't teach you to not question authority and not do whats right.... and you cant make the assumption that we "blindly follow authority" some of us DO learn about our religion without just accepting its true.

Do your research ass.... you're all stereotyping in the way you attack the church, you're believeing everything the radio or television tells you about how bad and controlling it is... DO YOUR F***ING RESEARCH!!!! not just from propaganda.

[zepfel]

ive decided to take a different tack in this argument. from now on, i believe that harry potter is the sole work of the underground facist movement, who get us to argue amongst ourselves whilst all the time the subliminal messaging is setting in.

"ot uoy llet ew nehw sgnidliub nrub" magic incantation? I THINK NOT!

[Spirited Away]

i wasn't actually referring to your comments, if you'll look at the quote i pulled up.

whilst i think that you're overreacting, i will apologise for my "anti-american" comments. i do have to point out though, that when someone says that all americans are stupid you shouldn't take them seriously. it's like if i were to say that all irish people are drunks or all frenchmen are snobs, all british are posh, all italians are sexy, it's not true, and not supposed to be taken for true,  it's just reinforcing a stereotype.

i fully acknoledge that some of the world's great geniuses came from america.

Hmm, I'm the only one that was speaking about Americans, and thus, when you said "intelligent American", it specifically points me out. Sorry if you didn't mean to write your sentence that way, but it did came out that way.

Overreacting? Hardly. Put out? Yes. Why? Because this isn't the only time that you've put down Americans. Were this the sole, even the second offense, I wouldn't have taken notice. However, time and time again, you prove to be most discontent with Americans in the debate forum.

I know I'm off topic, but I would like to reiterate this. You may have quoted another person, but you wrongly pointed out that though I may be an "intelligent American" I missed your parallel. When you put two and two together, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who you were refering to.

OK, first of all, i never said it had to be one god, the point is they all believed in A god, whether it be one or many.... and second I like Harry Potter, I'm all for it, Ilove it, Im a HUGE FAN!!! I finished the 6th book in a day! I'm looking for other ppls opinions.

If you don't mean ONE God, then please remember to add "s" at the end of "beings" the next time you post something like that. Also, to quote you "they did have 'God'". What does that mean if you don't think they have one God?

And in those past religions b4 christianity, they were all founded around some sort of supreme being... you can check, unless they were atheists... which isnt a religion, its just the lack of a religion. Um, and they did have God... and god protects all his creatures....

No, Pagans and Hindus don't have God, they have gods. Unless I misunderstood the sentence from "god protects all his creatures" to "Gods protect their creatures", I do believe you said ONE GOD, A GOD. And please make up your mind. You seriously can't say that they "believed in A GOD, whether it be one or many". I'm sorry to point this out but considering that Hinduism and Paganism both believe in many gods, that sentence is illogical.

[sadolakced acid]

The church doesn't teach you to not question authority and not do whats right.... and you cant make the assumption that we "blindly follow authority" some of us DO learn about our religion without just accepting its true.

Do your research ass.... you're all stereotyping in the way you attack the church, you're believeing everything the radio or television tells you about how bad and controlling it is...  DO YOUR F***ING RESEARCH!!!! not just from propaganda.

did i say which chuch?

for all you know i could be refering to those settlements in utah that are chuch run and force 13 year old girls to marry 60 year old men.

blind faith is still blind.

besides, harry and his pals aren't doing what's right. what's right would be to inform the teachers. but they often break rules, rebel against authourity, and do other satanic acts, like burn a teacher.

[HiddenSmile]

did i say which chuch?

for all you know i could be refering to those settlements in utah that are chuch run and force 13 year old girls to marry 60 year old men.

blind faith is still blind.

besides, harry and his pals aren't doing what's right.  what's right would be to inform the teachers.  but they often break rules, rebel against authourity, and do other satanic acts, like burn a teacher.

That is hardle satanic and it was pretty obvious what "church" you meant, dont try to act innocent. And the students breaking rules is often an argument against the books, and I think that's completely bogus. Look at Tom Sawyer, that entire book is about him breaking rules. That argument is worth nothing. And, its true Harry & co. arent always doing what is "right" but we all make mistakes, and alot of time what may be conceived as "wrong" isnt really wrong. For instance, you said they should inform a teacher. Lets overview:

1st Book: McGonagall wouldnt believe them.
2nd Book: Not enough time to tell a teacher, Ginny would've been dead.
3rd Book: accidentally got wrapped up in it.
4th Book: once again got accidentally wrapped up in it.
5th Book: The Principal was a bitch, you cant blindly follow authority in that situation, and as for the whole department of mysteries stuff, there was nothing very wrong in that.
6th Book: got caught up in it again.... or was chosen to get caught up in it.

I've only adressed the main parts of the books here, but none of those are very wrong.... everything else that they do wrong is fairly minor.

[gotblog4me?]

Hmm, I'm the only one that was speaking about Americans, and thus, when you said "intelligent American", it specifically points me out. Sorry if you didn't mean to write your sentence that way, but it did came out that way.

Overreacting? Hardly. Put out? Yes. Why? Because this isn't the only time that you've put down Americans. Were this the sole, even the second offense, I wouldn't have taken notice. However, time and time again, you prove to be most discontent with Americans in the debate forum.

I know I'm off topic, but I would like to reiterate this. You may have quoted another person, but you wrongly pointed out that though I may be an "intelligent American" I missed your parallel. When you put two and two together, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who you were refering to.
If you don't mean ONE God, then please remember to add "s" at the end of "beings" the next time you post something like that. Also, to quote you "they did have 'God'". What does that mean if you don't think they have one God?

No, Pagans and Hindus don't have God, they have gods. Unless I misunderstood the sentence from "god protects all his creatures" to "Gods protect their creatures", I do believe you said ONE GOD, A GOD. And please make up your mind. You seriously can't say that they "believed in A GOD, whether  it be one or many". I'm sorry to point this out but considering that Hinduism and Paganism both believe in many gods, that sentence is illogical.

Your proving my point even more, I said they had a god.... I didn't say they DIDNT have other gods, I said they had a god.... or, in other words, they had AT LEAST a god.

[zepfel]

I know I'm off topic, but I would like to reiterate this. You may have quoted another person, but you wrongly pointed out that though I may be an "intelligent American" I missed your parallel. When you put two and two together, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who you were refering to.

but i wasn't wrong, that person (rockizlife) did indeed miss what i was talking about.
i was not referring to you at all.


and i have apologised, i don't see why you feel it necessary to continue this. i'm allowed to dislike americans as a whole. as a whole i dislike adidas clothing, but every so often i see a pair of shoes i like.


going back to the original "americans are stupid." i did not mean this literally. i meant more that americans are weird, and often seem to take up rather insignificant arguments, as i have never heard this issue discussed on such a major scale in other places (such as britain).